From what I have heard, the new Dholakia Black and White snuffs are like rocket fuel. You might want to check them out. On the US Snuff side, I would say that any US Smokeless snuff (Bruton, Carhart’s, Red Seal, Rooster, Standard, De Voe) would be a good choice.
As a 30 year Cope user I actually was able to quit for good using a combination of Tom Buck and Grunt. Now I will admit I am a frequent snuffer but luckily I get the TB in the 1lb jug. Now if they would only sell the grunt in 1lb I would be set!!!
well done shooter! I love TB and grunt, TB is a great classic in my book. with regards to the Indian snuffs, im not sure that the nic is any higher, there just seems to be something about the way its ground up, or maybe flavoured - that produces the intense burn when you take it?
Grind has somehting to do with delivery, since we increase surface area with a finer grind, so you get more nicotine at once, however, it will not last as long. I found the Dholakia Black not to be particuarly fine, but it seems to have a higher nicotine concentration. I got a “buzz” instead of a “blast” from it. However, the second time I tried it the buzz was less intense. Don’t worry about that one now, anyway since its only avaialable by sample at this time. If you’re looking for something to take the place of dip, you’d almost have to go with something like that rather than one of the fine grinds. Quit With Snuff’s Smoker’s Blend seems to be pretty potent. It was one of the ones I started with. Also Toque Quit is potent since it has a high nicotine factor, but it is medium grind. Also when I was starting out I got little buzzes from Fribourg and Treyer Princes Special as its fairly course and “holds” you for awhile. All in all, quiting Cope will come down to your own determination. Mix it up a bit at first and maybe throw some Swedish Snus in there too as they curb my cravings well. You may gradually be able to eliminate it. I quit years ago, but only because I couldn’t get any, plus I also smoked so I managed to keep the nicotine craving part of it away. Now, without actually intending to, I have more or less eliminated cigarettes. Since beginning snuff, I have smoked less and less and less, all to my suprise really. I don’t know if I’m better off, since I picked up snus and pipe smoking in the same time. I smoke maybe one to three a week now and maybe the pipe three times a week too, so a lot less than a full time smoker. I think the best attribute of snuff that helped me was the “which one should I try next?” nature of it. With so many to choose from and they are all different from each other there’s hardly time for anything else!
I meant to mention Taxi Red and Blue in there too. They will sustain you. (Although you may say, after trying them, “Why don’t I just sniff the Copenhagen?”)
I’ve searched for a truly high nicotine snuff for years and never found one that really fits the bill, you know; gives you the hit that a deep pull in flavour country gives you. Leaving aside atomising the stuff to increase surface area - which from my experience with the Indian types just seems to burn your nose off - I don’t think there is one out there. Sure, there are strong snuffs, some are really potent…but not potent enough if you are looking to replicate a lip full of Cope or a pull on a Marlboro. Not being an expert on the chemistry of tobacco, I wonder if there is a limit to what you can get in a snuff; the same way as wine can only get to a certain strength before the alcohol kills the yeast? I would be interested if any of the producers could answer that. But in terms of replacing other forms of tobacco with snuff; its just a process of getting used to it. To paraphrase Professor Griffiths, only take a pinch when you want to indulge in your usual form - at some point the craving will have switched from one for your usual type to snuff. This approach really works but takes some perseverance.
I’ll say…why DON"T you just snuff Copenhagen? It’s nice and stong and has the taste you like.
Actually, Cope might make a pretty good snuff, dried and ground up a touch.
McChrystals snuffs I find to have a good nic kick, try their S’nuff or O&G.
The new Dholakias (Black and White) KICK and keep on kicking…
Debbie, my experience is that the Black tastes milder but delivers a bigger nic kick. What do you think?
I don’t recommend Cope nasally. It will rip you a new one. For a good nic hit I like Bespoke produces or grunt is good too. The one that surprised me is Toque Toffee. It always gives me a nice buzz. I know it is suppose to be the same nic content as the others but it may have some sugar or somthing that helps it along.
Jarhog, I get the same nice kick out of Toffee. This is my second tin and I have a notion that this snuff gives a better buzz than that from my first tin. Maybe Roderick blended in some Quit!!!
Pieter, The kick I get with Toffee is different than say Roster. It is mellower and shall say sweet.
good idea, Ill take some Toffe now
@ Pieter: Yes, I’d agree with you there. The black has a longer lasting and repeated nic Kick. The white is ‘rougher’ and has an instant kick (at least for me), but fades quicker.
Spanish Jewel
I read a while back that the reason cigarettes and dip give such a big hit is because the manufacturers add free-base nicotine…ie crack nic. There was that great article, Lancet.1980 Mar 1;1(8166):474-5.; (UK Medical Journal), which had the graphs which I now can’t find that show nicotine absorption for snuff vs cigarettes. The initial bump you get from a cigarette beats out snuff during the first 10 seconds only then snuff catches up. Nicotine levels in the blood peak after about a minute with snuff and 3-5 minutes with cigarettes which is why you get the ‘hit’ with snuff that supposedly nothing else can do…though cope makes me light-headed I have to say. Nicotine-concentration levels in the blood lasts longer with snuff than cigarettes because it sits in your nose being absorbed continuously, at least for a while, but that can’t compare with dip as folks have mentioned. However the downside to dip is the initial hit takes considerably longer, plus the possibility (now in dispute) of much increased chance of mouth cancer. If snuff is not satisfying for our dip-loving buddies, I would suggest taking much bigger pinches. Personally I snort as big a pinch as I can hold into each nostril, sometimes more, and it satisfies me for a reasonable amount of time (more than 5 minutes that’s for sure). I definitely go for stronger snuffs. Personally I don’t find the US snuffs very strong (fine grind, yes, but actual nicotine…no staying power for me); but the others mentioned, including Tom Buck, Toque Quit, Queens’ Extra and of course FUBAR Grunt (yes I am biased!) definitely hit the spot. Dave
The chemistry is one thing but the mind of the smoke based nic addict is another. There simply is no way of replicating a pull on a cigarette or a dip when that experience is the one you crave. It does take some perseverance but as a two pack a day Marlboro smoker I can guarentee that with that determination AND snuff the addiction can be turned around. The prof on the other site (all about snuff??) explains it very well, when you want that dip or smoke - but ONLY then - take a pinch. I had been dabbling with snuff for years but just in the same way a smoker will have the occasional cigar, when I applied that system it took me a couple of weeks to switch over, and stay switched. Its almost like its the hidden mystery of nicotine or something, but it really does work.
I’m pretty sure now about the decent nicotine charge from Toffee. Two fair sized pinches gives quite a nice blast. I’m going to order at least a 100g bag of this. I’ve never been a big Toffee fan because I find it a bit cloying. But so what, I will just have to blow more often. I’ve ordered some paisley hankies from Tom for that purpose!