Let me say this: Clearly, @SnuffySnuff, you’re not a fan of @chefdaniel just from looking at former posts between the two of you in an older topic. Your jabs at his product are a clear representation of that. You can mask it with civility, but myself, and Daniel are not blind to it. And now, you reduce yourself to name-calling. No matter how you defend it, your use of the word newbie is derogatory and unwarranted. So @fredh has not put in the same time or the same opinion as yourself; Is this not a forum where we all express ourselves differently thus resulting in various opinions? And not only have you defamed his character through the use of the word newbie, you insult his knowledge without truly knowing what he is about. Have you even gone back to read any of his other posts besides the one you quoted?
@SnuffySnuff it will never change unless you do something about it. How do you know that people won’t discuss it unless you start a discussion? As @bob pointed out, it’s what’s popular now, it’s getting people talking. If you’re not interested in the current wave of artisan threads, don’t read them, reignite discussions on what you like. New snuffers will see that and discover the classics and then join the discussion, which will bring the older members back in to offer help.
Aaaaaaaactually I kinda agree with @SnuffySnuff There are people here who would only ever talk about, sniff and buy artisan snuffs. Ive personally bashed wilsons tins, some scents and grind, but in the end a wos became a fav. Elitism, as was discussed in another thread is also present, but once again, the majority isnt like that at all, if it was all that bad, Id be outta here, but I stay cause people are friendly, the artisan snuffmakers are friendly, damn cool, and spend just as much time talking about various brands as their own, and some great manufacturers also use this site. like @Roderick hes the maker of Toque. @chefdaniel doesnt only promote his own snuff either, but will gladly share with you, so you can see what his snuffs are like, just as easily as he will discuss another type of snuff with you. I havent personally tried any of these artisan snuffs, but will prob order some whenever I get around to it, they may just be so awesome you NEED to mention them, like me and poschl… it has become my milestone for all snuffs, all must be compared to it. So while I see where youre coming from, I have to agree and disagree at the same time. The people who will only discuss artisan snuffs are so few its hardly noticeable.
@SnuffySnuff if you want to start a discussion on toque ginger, or the new WoS snuffs, then please start a thread on them. Write a review and post it up to get conversation going about them. There is nothing stopping you from doing that.
Hi skell, I could and have been tempted, but why bother? Nobody here is interested if it’s not artisan. If anyone wants to be pendantic, of course I don’t mean ‘nobody’ literally, I mean ‘nobody’ as in there’s very little interest in the main makers of snuff on here, and that is what has changed about snuffhouse.
@SnuffySnuff Dont mind me, but Id be very interested in reading about diff wos scents, Im currently using mainky wos myself, namely honey menthol and and extra menthol. I may not respond to the thread, but ill keep a mental note of what has been said, and who knows? I may just order whatever is discussed if it sounds good.
First off, the “newbie don’t know shit” attitude can go right the fuck out the window right now. That absolutely is Not what this forum, as far as I have known, to ever be about. Many of us joined after lurking, or even first glance, because of the open-mind and willing to help atmosphere. Just because your favorite maker is not trending atm does not indicate the forums downfall. Those that actually read and follow the forum can see periods of one snuff maker/ type trending at any given time. Not all that long ago I remember the Indians being quite hot, and it wasn’t their first time on this forum. If you love a snuff so much that you want to talk about it, make a post or grab an old one. This is the one forum that the necro thread, if still relevant, has been accepted. If your favorite snuff does not get the attention you think it should, the maybe you are the only one who likes it, which is cool. Chances are that is not the case though if it is still in production, so fell free to discuss it. Not understanding the purpose of this forum(some understanding of the ToS) and shitty attitudes are what will fuck up this nice thing we have.
@SnuffySnuff, I can understand your point. Reading the forum while lurking taught me that even though I’d been doing this for a long time, I’d essentially never tried anything. Almost like a one brand smoker. Never branched out. Never tried anything out of my comfort zone. Always used the same two or three snuffs. So now I’m out of my comfort zone and I’m curious. I lurked for about a month, googling things. I learned things from PhilipS that were astounding. The man had tried originals of things I’d never heard of, like that there was a French snuff called Morlaix. You know, I’ve never even met another snuffer, so add that to the mix, too. I’m here to learn. I’m sure I don’t have a single question that hasn’t been asked before. Point me to the threads. Share your knowledge. I’m here to learn and I’m sure there are many others. Doesn’t seem quite fair to blame a fellow for not having the esoteric knowledge you have learned as long as he is willing to be taught. It might be wasted on me, it might not. But I’d at least like to hear it.
It is true that different snuff trend at different times. When I first started lurking, Toque was the number one topic. Then the Indians. @SnuffySnuff, to paraphrase Gandhi, be the change you want to see. Write interesting, in depth analysis of McChrystal Smokers Blend or whatever mass produced, proudly plebian snuff you prefer. Write well and interestingly, and the world will come beating a path to your door.
I am increasingly tempted to believe that the original post in this thread is nothing more than trolling. Nothing written in this thread has persuaded me to think otherwise. This entire thread appears to have been started not as a discussion but a thinly veiled attack masquerading as a genuine concern. Do I need to define “trolling” and “scourge” again? For the record, I started using various snuffs, Wilson’s among them, around 1980. That was 34 years ago. And it is true, I am not among the most knowledgeable or the most experienced of snuff users. However, the number of years on Snuffhouse is not indicative of one’s degree of knowledge or experience.
Can I ask a dumb question? Of course, that’s rhetorical, as I’m going to anyway. How many employees do the corporate houses have? I remember reading once that the folks at Sharrow will actually use the ol’ mortar and pestle to make their more rare orders. That doesn’t argue a massive operation. Likewise, I can’t imagine McChrystal’s to be a huge concern. And surely, in any instance, one man, or at most a small team, are involved in the creation and testing of new mixtures anywhere, even if the end result is a man emptying a five gallon bucket of flavoring into x pound of pulverized tobacco. Aren’t all blends the result of so-called “artisan” work? From what I’ve seen (admittedly very, very little), none of the little guys on the edge seem to think they’re real special snowflakes. They don’t claim to be the best. They don’t claim to be the true heirs to their forebears in the industry, they tinker because they like it, and their prices are probably high because they can’t take advantage of economies of scale. Perhaps the actual argument is one of semantics?
@fredh, hehe, yes. The little dig about Old Mill was quite entertaining, if a trifle obvious to count as really first rate trolling. @chefdaniel wisely ignored it, depriving the poster of his fun. I guess he can still hope for other reactions from elsewhere.
I have observed a lot of the discussions here tend to be Seasonal, so trouble not, as the Northern hemisphere descends into what is predicted to be a long cold Fall and Winter there will probably a lot of threads involving schmalzlers, Touque Christmas Pudding, Wilson’s Orange Chocolate and the dreaded (except by maybe me) Winter Warmer as well as the ongoing debate over just which medicated snuff is the champ for opening clogged sinuses (for the record it’s WoS SM500).
Buying from the US limits the possibilities that are offered. All (-1)the snuff that I’ve purchased do far are from name companies. and tend to like it that way.
Children, we must behave. Kindness is next to godliness. Or some such. The pangs of birth and evolution are painful. We must be patient, old timers and newbie’s alike. When I arrived on the scene it was WoS crumbs of comfort and now its Johnny-on-the spot SWS with the solid gold tins, nevertheless, it has its place in our sphere of enjoyment. The Old Mill IS divine and has opened my nose to the possibility of better things. Will I cast off my beloved SG KB or Bernards Virginie? Of course not. But we must go with the flow and grow. On a side note, I do believe the originator of the thread was being tongue in cheek. This troll whistling blowing, wheres-the-hallway-monitor stuff is ridiculous as is the arguing and f-bomb dropping. As someone said, you want to talk Toque start a, thread etc, etc. Moderator should close this thread…
We are an enthusiast site. Of course we are going to discuss the latest greatest snuff, be it an “artisan” or factory snuff. I doubt we are very much representative of the whole market. If we were there would be a lot less snuffs available, simply because we aren’t buying them. It’s a lot like pipe tobacco, on the forums, Virginia and Latakia blends get most of the attention, but in the wider market Aromatics carry the day. Ask the average snuffer on the street and I’ll bet they have never heard of Abraxas or SWS or OldMill or DK, or in a lot of cases, Toque. I’m glad we have individuals willing to take the time and effort to produce small quantities of snuff in flavors that the major manufacturers are unwilling to for reasons of cost or marketability. I’m glad those small snuffs are talked about. I can’t afford to buy most of them but I sure like hearing about them. Plus even Wilson’s, GH, SG all started making snuff in the back room of their tobacco shop, and grew. Maybe one day Abraxas will be one of the big boys. Or not. Either way I can be secure in my knowledge that I tried every snuff that interests me, no matter who made it.
Usually I’d put this in the “What’s in your mailbox” thread, but: Wooooo-hoo! My two jars of Abraxas Prince Regent arrived today!
@bigmick well said, old boy.
From a newb: I like the entire spectrum . I have amassed a senseless variety of snuffs so far, from close to 30 tins of Wilsons’, to some dozen of so Toques, an equal share of Old Mill and a tine each from Sir Walter Scott and Abraxas. To me, it’s all good. Sure, the discussion seems to run “streaky” - I noticed that as I spent several nights reading through the treads in the back log, but, as someone who enjoys forums on other topics like home-brewing, spirit making, and lapidary, I can tell you that this phenomenon is common whenever folks seem to congregate around a shared interest. I like this joint. I like that there are old school cats who have been snuffing for as long as I have lived; that there is interest among younger generations, that we seem to have members from literally every corner of the world - yeah - it’s super cool to me. If I had an issue, it seems to have been taken care of whilst I was recently away, and the mods handled that like a boss it appears. Thanks to all - The HP
If someone fresh to the production scene like @chefdaniel can produce snuff the way Zeus produces lightning bolts…
@chefdaniel I didn’t know your Cajun lineage sprung from the heritage of Greek Gods!!! Think it is time you make/name one of your creations Snufficus Maximus or the like! @Kentuckysnuff Admittedly, I love your analogy!!! That true statement made me chuckle out loud. IMHO, be it traditional, artisan, or anything in between; I personally have found a wealth of knowledge and plenty of discussions on all fronts. The vast majority of my collection is traditional scotches, WoS, and SG. I have a few “artisans” which I adore. The vast majority forum members, in my opinion, have and continue to conduct themselves well and discuss ALL aspects of our splendid hobby. I personally welcome all discussions, as long as constructive, on old and new alike.
Well, a quick flick through the ‘Types of snuff’ should dispel the notion that no-one talks about anything but artisan snuff. Dholakia, Viking, Toque, Poschl. Try It! Discussions on all of them raging right now, as we speak.
Yep…and a week or two ago there were several threads running concurrently about Sam Gawith. @willc if GLP ever got into the snuff game, my savings account would dry up in about a week!
Well, a quick flick through the ‘Types of snuff’ should dispel the notion that no-one talks about anything but artisan snuff. Dholakia, Viking, Toque, Poschl. Try It! Discussions on all of them raging right now, as we speak.
@willc if GLP ever got into the snuff game, my savings account would dry up in about a week!
@Idbowman It is curious you should mention that. I have been filling GLP’s ears with snuff talk for a while now, telling him of the various kinds of snuffs from the old traditional names to that of the individual snuff makers. He had only a passing acquaintance with the snuff world until recently.