I’m just curious by nature. Does snuff have to be a serious subject? Is there room for some light hearted, good natured fun in snuffdom? Some goofy shit we shove up our noses for the pure fun of it? Or does snuff demand/require a certain and constant reverence? Should one have to genuflect before taking a pinch? There are occasions when only the finest food, exquisitely prepared and accompanied by the best examples of the vintner’s, distiller’s and brewer’s art will do. Then, there are occasions when a cheeseburger and a bottle of plonk fit the bill. I’m not talking about fast food and a bottle of Pear Ripple, mind you. If you can use schmalz in snuff, why not a bacon cheeseburger snuff just for the pure hell of it? Hell, Roderick is 2/3 of the way there already, and that Cheese and Bacon snuff is pretty damn good IMHO. I have the empty tins to prove it. I need to spend more time with my granddaughter and take a few pages, nay, chapters , out of her playbook and do things just for the sheer joy of doing it. I’ll take a pass on crapping my pants for now so she doesn’t think we’re in some sort of competition. Besides, she’d win in a landslide. With #2 on the way, I’m buying stock in whoever makes Pampers. Cheers

I absolutely agree. With this new “Prince Regent” we’ve all be graced (cursed, depending on your stance) with, it seems that the joys of taking snuff have been blindsided by trying to turn it into a battle of Artisan vs regular mill. Why can we not just enjoy both? SWS/Abraxas/Old Mill are all GREAT snuff brands. However, in the process of enjoying them, it seems we’ve lost the light we once cherished from makers like Toque, WoS, etc… We just need to stamp out the elitism, and go back to enjoying snuff for what it is.

I actually view snuff itself as folly - it is a “me” thing, it helps me relax, and I’m at an age where I don’t much give a shot what the general consensus around me is, hahaha. I really do not hold any one snuff in higher regard than any other ( yet ) - sure - I have favorites - but I know that they are the fave today but may be untouched tomorrow - such is life … I don’t need a cheesburger snuff - though I did just order bubblegum and banana, so … and if we get to just make up stuff, i think a Dr. pepper snuff would be baller … I have noticed that here in the forums some of my more light hearted posts seem to be misunderstood, but i think that is simple a variance in slang over the expanse of locals we have members form, making the intended humor harder to catch at times. ( the price regent comments a prime example )

@The_HP‌ and @killeidoskope‌ I’m a transplanted southerner. Born in Louisiana raised in California and a southerner by choice. I get it. Snuff is folly. That’s why some of us are so enamored with it. It is damned good fun to shove pulverized tobacco powder scented with everything from Cheese and Bacon to Grannie’s Undies up your nose just to see what happens. The famous last words of a redneck: “Hey, Ya’ll! Watch This!” I am so very excited to put my spoon to Nigel’s latest creation. Clearly this is a pure labor of love for him, with not a whit of commercial consideration. Just an artist putting his skills, passion, inspiration and love of the weed into a handcrafted masterpiece he is gracious enough to share with us. Nigel, Johnny, Jaap and Roderick are an inspiration, and we are truly blessed to have them, and their outstanding creations, among us. It is my humble opinion that THIS is the Golden Age of Snuff. Without these fine gentleman I would never have given a thought to translating a long and successful culinary career into crafting snuff. Not long ago I was a disabled and frustrated culinarian with no outlet for my passions and hard earned knowledge and skill. Thanks to these artisans I have found the perfect outlet, and I am putting every waking, and often dreaming, moment into turning culinary creations into olfactory pleasures. I am forever in their debt. That said, let’s all get off our knees (not you honey) and be thankful for the creators and each other for this rather eccentric, boisterous and wonderful community and hobby of ours. Cheers

Very strange thread. I may have to break out the guards and have this insurgency quoshed and it’s ringleader @chefdaniel‌ chained to his grandaughters colouring in book. I ENJOY snuffs of all brands (except F&T) but I admit to being partial to a lot (not all) of the current artisan crop but especially most recently Prince Regent. I am certainly not “cursed” by it. That’s ludicrous. Got Spanish Gem out in the rotaion today also. Very nice. I am not I would say a huge snuff quantity user and so I will try and find my favourites and whether they be artisan or not those are then what I will enjoy. Serious or goofy doesn’t much come into it, more luck possibly but it is my opinion that the artisan snuffmakers that we currently have are the biggest movers and shakers presently and I welcome that. Competition can only be a good thing for all end users like ourselves at least one would hope so. Stamp out elitism? Battle of Artisan vs regular mill? What are you on about @kalledoskope. Will you be founding the Stamp out elitism in snuff revolutionary front? I have no problem enjoying snuff but obvioulsy some do.

I absolutely agree. With this new “Prince Regent” we’ve all be graced (cursed, depending on your stance) with, it seems that the joys of taking snuff have been blindsided by trying to turn it into a battle of Artisan vs regular mill. Why can we not just enjoy both? SWS/Abraxas/Old Mill are all GREAT snuff brands. However, in the process of enjoying them, it seems we’ve lost the light we once cherished from makers like Toque, WoS, etc… We just need to stamp out the elitism, and go back to enjoying snuff for what it is.

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ A strange thread from a strange man. (That would be yours truly). I’m not in the “cursed” camp myself but I support freedom of opinion, thought and speech in every shape, manner and form. That said, I am waiting like a child on Christmas morning for the postal-person to deliver my Prince Regent. I enjoy anything that is crafted with care, integrity and passion whether they be large, small, boutique or multi-national in scope. Contrary to what some of my ex-girlfriends have said, size doesn’t matter. It’s not the size of the boat, it’s the motion in the ocean and all that. I can enjoy a well made Wimpy with the same gusto and enthusiasm as a well crafted Saddle of Veal Prince Orloff. A steady diet of either would be boring to the point of suicide. A nice pile of chips as an intermezzo would be ideal, along with a proper pint of ESB. Old Milwaukee Light need not apply. Spanish Gem is an inspired and well done snuff that has a frequent spot in my rotation. I just wish I could figure out what in the hell is in that little “gem” of a snuff, dammit. Ginny has been consulted, and rejected your kind offer to have me chained to her colouring in book. She may be only two, but she has her own agenda and there’s no room for a chained up grandpa. Dammit.

OH!!! She’s ADORABLE!

See, kids aren’t so dumb. I think it’s just caramel or brown sugar and maybe a little date or something in the Spanish Gem or maybe mines died but I still like it. I know it’s tough the waiting. I really didn’t expect mine to arrive so quickly. I feel confident in saying that you are in for real treat. Prince Regent is simply one of the most enjoyable snuffs I’ve come accross in a long time and some people will get irritated if I’ve perhaps gone on about it a little to much but I think all will become clear once yours arrives. It’s just a snuff revelation, pure and simple but it won’t stop you still enjoynig your regular favourites. More that it expands the snuff horizon and I’m all for that.

I need a few rolls of paper towels to wipe the drool from my keyboard. Dammit. “Sir, you try my patience!” “Don’t mind if I do. You must try mine sometime.”

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ I’m on about how there is clear elitism on this forum. People are so enamored with the likes of artisan snuff that they have forgotten about those who aren’t so artisan. I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but I still stand by what I say. People should remember where they started not where they ended up. Ya know?

I need a few rolls of paper towels to wipe the drool from my keyboard. Dammit. “Sir, you try my patience!” “Don’t mind if I do. You must try mine sometime.”

I feel your pain. I’ll just have some more Prince Regent. Hey the pains gone. Just like magic. Sorry @chefdaniel‌. Hope you don’t have to much longer to wait. I can’t wait to hear your opinion on it. Is it as good as we have been saying?

Allow me to make an effort to calm troubled waters. My intention was not to start up a war between artisan snuff versus non-artisan snuff, whatever the hell that might be. My intention was to inject a sense of fun, child-like adventure and joy into our hobby. Every snuff has its place in our personal repertoire at any given time of day, season, experience level, age and/or mood. NB Madras is not an artisan snuff, but it’s been disappearing at an alarming rate around here. I tried to blame the cat, but my wife wouldn’t buy into that little bit of nonsense. So I accused her instead. The couch is far more comfortable than the chicken coop I’ve found. We are talking about ground up tobacco that we shove up our greedy nostrils. Not the freakin’ Mona Lisa or Rocket Surgery. Whether that pulverized weed be artisan or otherwise, I especially, should approach it from a child’s perspective; joy for its own sake. Not what others may think. Not what the latest reviews might endorse. Simply what makes us happy in the moment. Both @killeidoskope‌ and @I_snuff_therefore___‌ are making valid points and making them with passion. This is a very good thing. Should this forum devolve into a mutual admiration society we will all be the poorer from it. We are all ladies and gentlemen, or we wouldn’t pursue this esoteric hobby of ours. I’m happy that we can all disagree without being disagreeable. Cheers

I just hoovered up a few grams of Spanish Gem, with a wink and a nod in an easterly direction towards the general vicinity of Berwick. This stuff is so f_____g good. It goes in easy, sticks around and baffles the shit out of me as to the recipe. Brown Sugar/Caramel/Dried Fruit/Toasted Sweet/Brown Spices/Excellent Tobacco/Outstanding Craftsmanship/Brandy(?)/Magic Fairy Dust? Is Roderick Merlin incarnate? Methinks that might be the case. The clean complexity of this snuff defies definition or examination. It is just really great snuff. Period. (IMHO)

I don’t do cheeseburgers, but Viking Dark comes in at ten cents a gram if you buy half a kilo of the stuff. That’s a pretty non-elitist pleasure in my book. And damn good snuff it is too.

@JakartaBoy‌ Agreed. Viking Dark is in my top 5 lately.

Dholakia White is also great and widely popular amongst India’s scheduled casts and tribals, who must be as far away from “elite” as you can imagine. I agree with the chef about snuff (and food) made with integrity and passion. There are snuff that I feel lack those characteristics, I won’t mention brands to avoid a flame war. There are some brands where the tobacco seems to serve as some sort of base on which to smear sweet, sticky, saccharine flavors, and it’s not my thing. And I find people on snuffhouse who seem to share my prejudices. But so what? Seems to me like there’s ten threads with people saying “Where do you get the biggest menthol smack?” for every one talking about Abraxas and SWS. If a menthol smack is what you’re looking for, go to it with both nostrils, say I.

I just get nervous whenever I bump some Toque Coke and make sure I say the Toque part out loud instead of just telling my work mates " Yep, time for some coke …’

@JakartaBoy‌ Agreed, again. I think the negative aspects come into play when a fan of a particular snuff “looks down” on someone who likes another snuff. That’s where it gets into the “serious” territory I was referencing. For example, Cafe 11 is a superb coffee snuff. I’m a huge fan, but I wouldn’t say that a fan of Coffee Kick or Coffee Bite is a lesser snuffer if that’s their choice. After all, it is their nose and their budget.

I just get nervous whenever I bump some Toque Coke and make sure I say the Toque part out loud instead of just telling my work mates " Yep, time for some coke …’

The other day I went out to a restaurant. I asked the bartender " can I have some coke " I was instantly tackled by some drunk DEA agent with a Cuban cigar in his mouth.

Bacon Cheeseburger? Sign me up to beta test! Honestly though, it always drives me crazy when tobacco hobbyists (I’m a crossover from the pipe world) take things too seriously. It doesn’t all have to be “indeed, this is an exquisite experience of rich leather with sandalwood undertones and a whisp of cardamom, my good sirs” (although that actually sounds pretty damn good, too). What the hell is the point if you can’t snuff/smoke something you actually like and that fits whatever your budget might be without feeling like you doing it right.

To me snuff is like most everything else in my life - it is either : A) worth he time and money I spent / used to acquire or B) not So far more A’s than B’s …

I wonder where it comes, that the snuffers are seen elitistic. Surely not from this forum? There are some snuffs that get mentioned again and again, but how I see it is, that they just have to be frigging good snuffs then (oh boy I’m waiting the day when I can afford to buy Sir Walter or even F&T!). Hard to see elitism. Overall how I see discussions in the forum is along the lines what chefdaniel and JakartaBoy already said: Everyone has the right to like the one they like. And this is mentioned over and over again. As an answer to your question @chefdaniel: No, not at all seriously

Snuff is slapstick, and I’m very serious about it!

So this fits this thread perfectly – Next time you have a Mr Snuff order to place, spend an extra $1.69 and get a 5 g tin of Wilson of Sharrow Bubblegum. Mine arrived today. It should not work. It should not be good. It should not be anything more than a novelty - but it does work, it is good, and dammit, I like it. Reminds me of that old hard as hell gum you got at the ball field for 3 pennies each during summer ball …

WoS Bubblegum is great. Bubblegum cigar. It’s a boy!

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ A strange thread from a strange man. (That would be yours truly). I’m not in the “cursed” camp myself but I support freedom of opinion, thought and speech in every shape, manner and form. That said, I am waiting like a child on Christmas morning for the postal-person to deliver my Prince Regent. I enjoy anything that is crafted with care, integrity and passion whether they be large, small, boutique or multi-national in scope. Contrary to what some of my ex-girlfriends have said, size doesn’t matter. It’s not the size of the boat, it’s the motion in the ocean and all that. I can enjoy a well made Wimpy with the same gusto and enthusiasm as a well crafted Saddle of Veal Prince Orloff. A steady diet of either would be boring to the point of suicide. A nice pile of chips as an intermezzo would be ideal, along with a proper pint of ESB. Old Milwaukee Light need not apply. Spanish Gem is an inspired and well done snuff that has a frequent spot in my rotation. I just wish I could figure out what in the hell is in that little “gem” of a snuff, dammit. Ginny has been consulted, and rejected your kind offer to have me chained to her colouring in book. She may be only two, but she has her own agenda and there’s no room for a chained up grandpa. Dammit.

your right about the size of the boat i say it like this “its not the size of the boat its the motion of the ocean but it takes forever to get across the atlantic in a rowboat” i still think friborg and treyer is the royalty of the snuff world

Damn. Somebody 'round here getting old. I used to get three pieces of Bazooka Bubble Gum for a penny. One piece for three pennies is outrageous inflation, dammit. :(( When I started this thread I wasn’t talking about this forum or its members. I was speaking more from my experiences since beginning this goofy hobby back in the old days of 1972, before indoor plumbing, electricity and all that other modern convenience stuff. =)) I think (not often, mind you) that the new generation of snuffers is more open minded, less set in their ways and more tolerant than old goats like yours truly. This is the golden age of snuff. Dammit. (for some reason, I want to yell at some kid right now to “stay off my lawn”. Only problem is I have a pasture and they’s no kids up in here). Take a good hard look at some of the fun, goofy snuff on Mr. Snuff. Bubblegum. Grape Concord. Mango. American Caramel. The list goes on, and on, and on… When I started I could get Dr. Rumney’s Mentholyptus. Period. It wasn’t until I was stationed in Europe that my horizons expanded, and even then it was a stodgy, uptight and serious endeavor. If I’d asked Vivien Rose for a tub of Bubblegum Snuff, the Bobbies would have escorted me to the nearest padded room for observation. I’d likely still be there, pining away for some bubblegum snuff. @jeffcraft1‌ I seem to get better mileage from taking a submarine across the Atlantic, using a southerly route of transit, if you get my drift. Run Silent. Run Deep.

Hmmm… A “battle of Artisan vs regular mill”? Wow. What battle? If this is a battle who is fighting? If this is a battle, then it is a war with no participants, no sides, no lines in the sand, and no dogs in the fight. Let it go. Hugs and kudos for all. >:D<

No battles I’m aware of, not that I ever shied away from one. Every snuff has its snuffer. That’s why we’re truly lucky to be living in the golden age of snuff, where we can get our fix of artistic, hand crafted, creative and lovingly pulverized, beaten to a pulp and otherwise abused tobacco, or a nose full of bubblegum any damn time we feel like it, and at a mere fraction of the cost of a bowl of good pipe weed or a decent cigar. A friend pays $10 for a pack of cigarettes. That’s 50 grams of SG snuff. A pack of cigs is what, one day’s worth? Fifty grams of SG snuff lasts, what? If you’re @fredh‌ about twenty minutes. The rest of us can stretch that out to a day or two. =)) Perhaps three if we’re frugal.

@JakartaBoy‌ Agreed, again. I think the negative aspects come into play when a fan of a particular snuff “looks down” on someone who likes another snuff. That’s where it gets into the “serious” territory I was referencing. For example, Cafe 11 is a superb coffee snuff. I’m a huge fan, but I wouldn’t say that a fan of Coffee Kick or Coffee Bite is a lesser snuffer if that’s their choice. After all, it is their nose and their budget.

Yeah, I guess. I don’t really see that dynamic on snuffhouse, though. It might have existed a bit on pipe forums, and much more on cigar forums. That’s one of the reasons I never really took to cigars, I don’t like that baggage about premium cigars. I’d like to find a place where a cigar is regarded as a simple working man’s pleasure, the way a pipe usually is. I guess pipe smokers get a bit fussy about their pipes, but you never lose any street credibility by saying that you go with a cob. Some people look down on “drug store” blends, but it’s more in sorrow (and pity) than in anger (or contempt).

When I started this thread I wasn’t talking about this forum or its members. I was speaking more from my experiences since beginning this goofy hobby back in the old days of 1972, before indoor plumbing, electricity and all that other modern convenience stuff.

@chefdaniel It would seem that your thread is now being taken rather seriously! But I am enjoying the exchange of thoughts. My take is that snuff is a very enjoyable way in which to absorb some nicotine. It is significantly more affordable than any other form of tobacco consumption. A jar of the most expensive artisan snuff costs a lot less - at least in the UK - than a single decent Cuban cigar so experimenting with different snuffs is not a problem. My friends would appear to accept my snuff taking as a harmless eccentricity and it often gives rise to some amusing conversations. So I have to agree with the Chef and simply enjoy whatever snuff I choose at the moment and not take it all too seriously. Cheers

@chris‌ Cheers!! You get it. Hobbies should be fun, not work. Otherwise we’d have to be compensated for doing it, including our time on this forum. I say the goofier, the better. On the flip side, making it should be taken seriously and with love and passion. It can still be fun. I’m losing money right now, but really don’t have profit as a goal or motive. Were I a wealthy man, I might just give it away. Time to “invest” in a lottery ticket. :(|)

I don’t know how to put it. Is the forum familiar with the term “sprezzatura”? It’s the art of appearing like you don’t care too much, although in reality you do. For instance, I take great pains to make sure that my box is filled and fresh, I have enough tissues, etc. In other words, it’s pretty darned important to me. But I’d never admit that to the public–I don’t make a ritual out of it or draw attention to myself. And I can’t really argue with anyone else’s tastes (“tastes?” )–for all I know you are a ding dong that likes putting hot peppers up your nose and genuinely derives pleasure from the same. For goodness sake, at the end of the day it’s inhaled pulverized tobacco

To paraphrase some Milton Ericson - The map is not the territory. One of the greatest things with snuff [to me] is that there’s such a variety of different ones to try (and more all the time), in a plethora of different circumstances/occasions. The more snuff we all try, the larger our snuff ‘world’ becomes, the bigger map we need - Snuffhouse provides some great directions to things that I wouldn’t have experienced otherwise; I’m grateful for that!

Being prepared is the way I go, but when younger and dumber I just tossed a tin of Rumney’s in my pocket and went about my bidniss. Those were horrible hinged, leaky and weak…snuff always stale and lining my pockets. My attitude was, oh well, what the hell. I certainly hope I’m doing better. I think there’s a difference between taking your snuff seriously and taking yourself seriously.

I hope so, @chefdaniel. The biggest sin I have is taking myself too seriously. If I wasn’t a partaker myself, snuff would simply be a laughable indulgence in others. C’mon, we inhale tobacco bits for fun and the effluvium is, quite simply, disgusting. That said, I think what you’re getting at here is the inevitable class distinctions that are going to come about with any habit. The rich smoker smokes dunhills, the poor smoker might roll his own. The fancy pipe man smokes fancy pipes and expensive tobaccos, the working class fellow smokes Captain Black in a Grabow. The rich snuffer carries a fancy box filled with unobtanium, I use the same old rosewood flip top I bought when I bought my first tin of Gletscherprise, others use the tin the snuff came in. I’d happily take a pinch of anything from any of these receptacles, and I think most here would (hold the Gletscherprise, though). Don’t be surprised if I pocket your gold box accidentally. The problem only comes when somebody thinks he’s a better man because he has better possessions. If anybody sees that, then it is time to strike. In the meantime, I’m just going to continue turning my kleenex brown.

You’ve got me wondering about who might be the most long term snuff goofer. Certainly not me. I get pneumonitis after only a year. Things beome a bit more serious then and seems I’m the first case in history according to my doctors when tobacco snuff “may” have been the cause. I litterally just can’t snuff very much at the moment with bunged up nose, fever, headache and pretty constant hacking cough but I’m going to give it a serious try. Snuff for me is a relatively benign pschycoactive (a bit like a coffee) which suited what I was looking for as a smoking alternative and all was dandy until this little chest issue interviened to spoil things.

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ I’ve been hitting this stuff pretty hard for forty three years and have yet to have any illness attributed to my little indulgence. I don’t get colds, I had the flu once in boot camp, my allergies are toned down to a tolerable roar and I tend to have the damnedest dreams if I do a big whopping pinch just before bed; doesn’t much matter what snuff, as long as it’s a big pinch (spoonful). I’m convinced that the day after I quit snuff I will get hit by a bus or fall off a cliff, maybe fall in the shower or get mugged. Get a second opinion from another MD and don’t tell him about snuff, just to see what the diagnosis might be.

@chefdaniel I was born in 1971, so you’ve been doing this for pretty much as long as I’ve been alive… One gentleman I know who is well into his 70s can probably beat you - I suspect he has passed the 50 year mark on a diet of SP No.1. I think you’re right about the colds. They were absolute hell when I smoked, but since I have gone back to snuff they have diminished in both frequency and severity. I reckon it’s the perfume in my Jockey Club. Those cold germs just can’t cope with it!

@Justin LMAO. Jockey Club. Perhaps that will be the cure for Ebola. Sounds like SP No. 1 is a key to longevity. I went through a few years when I did that, Tom Buck and a few others almost exclusively. HDT made an appearance every few hours, but… Might have to go back and try it again. It seems to have some benefits.

When I first heard about snuff back in the 60’s it was presented as a sort of ‘foppish’ habit by certain European Gentlemen. I knew little at the time but certainly wanted to give it a try. after all if it was good enough for them then why not me. Roll forward a bit and I had my first go with Packard’s Club and was smitten by the low price point and the instant rush. I was going about singing the praises when the inevitable happens, you know, its like Niagara Falls from my nose. Here I am singing the praises and trying to get my friends to give it a whirl when the brown nose drip begins. So through my mind goes the thought about those certain European Gentlemen - so this is what the upper crust like. Well works for me…

When I first heard about snuff back in the 60’s it was presented as a sort of ‘foppish’ habit by certain European Gentlemen. I knew little at the time but certainly wanted to give it a try. after all if it was good enough for them then why not me. Roll forward a bit and I had my first go with Packard’s Club and was smitten by the low price point and the instant rush. I was going about singing the praises when the inevitable happens, you know, its like Niagara Falls from my nose. Here I am singing the praises and trying to get my friends to give it a whirl when the brown nose drip begins. So through my mind goes the thought about those certain European Gentlemen - so this is what the upper crust like. Well works for me…

@chefdaniel I was born in 1971, so you’ve been doing this for pretty much as long as I’ve been alive… One gentleman I know who is well into his 70s can probably beat you - I suspect he has passed the 50 year mark on a diet of SP No.1. I think you’re right about the colds. They were absolute hell when I smoked, but since I have gone back to snuff they have diminished in both frequency and severity. I reckon it’s the perfume in my Jockey Club. Those cold germs just can’t cope with it!

I was born in the early 90s so imagine how I feel lol. Specifically 1994. I’m probably the youngest here by the sound of things

I have bought into the elitist bullshit when it comes to beer, whisk(e)y, and cigars, however, never when came/comes to snuff. I’m a microbrew prick, yet I love my Toque and (gasp) even kind of like sliver dollar. I do want to try SWS etc. , however, toque quit and vanilla will always be favorites of mine. Like the snuffs you like and relinquish your fear of judgement. Damn, now I have the urge to place another order with toque.

I love having my own little collection of snuff that I know for a fact will be untouched. I don’t think it’s an elitist thing; however, I do enjoy the exclusivity that it sort of portrays. Also @Cigshurtmylungs‌ '95 here lol.

I love having my own little collection of snuff that I know for a fact will be untouched. I don’t think it’s an elitist thing; however, I do enjoy the exclusivity that it sort of portrays. Also @Cigshurtmylungs‌ '95 here lol.

Damn you just had to show me up!

I have bought into the elitist bullshit when it comes to beer, whisk(e)y, and cigars, however, never when came/comes to snuff. I’m a microbrew prick, yet I love my Toque and (gasp) even kind of like sliver dollar. I do want to try SWS etc. , however, toque quit and vanilla will always be favorites of mine. Like the snuffs you like and relinquish your fear of judgement. Damn, now I have the urge to place another order with toque.

What do you mean by elitist @Peter77? If I were forced to use that kind of divisive language, I would say that I think Toque snuff is quite elitist due to its exceptionally high quality, along with some of the Dholakia snuffs as well (that includes some of their Temptation, Wow, and FUBAR offerings). And oh yeah, don’t forget Old Mill snuffs. @chefdaniel strives for the highest possible quality. What an elitist bastard he is becoming. :D/ How dare these snuff makers who have so much gall and arrogance that they seek to rise above their competition and produce the finest quality snuff possible. We should boycott all of them. Long live mediocrity! That’s what we need more of in life! Hell yeah! Let’s try to avoid “anti-elitist elitism.”

@fredh To the best of my knowledge my parents were married, but I could be wrong…I was born at a very early age and my memories have faded over time. A boycott of Old Mill will force me to dispose of my entire inventory. Right up my nose. A fate worse than, oh let’s see, winning the lottery, having Angelina Jolie along for a mustache ride, being remembered in Bill Gates’ last will and testament and/or a nice glass of single malt right before bed. =))

i still sing the praises of F&T it is the best IMHO

Low brow…Meh…Try drug store pipe tobacco ground up and left in a ziplock bag…Its all good, except after awhile, the casing in the tobacco starts to really mess with ya.

This thread is taking a turn for the hilarious. “Anti-elitist elitism?” Is that the opposite of reverse snobbery, or is reverse snobbery an apposite term for your new concept? @fredh, to quote the Firesign Theatre, “we’re all bozos on this bus.” Let’s all agree that our addiction is freakishly odd to begin with, embrace our inherent weirdness, and not sweat the petty stuff. Or pet the sweaty stuff. I could honestly care less what any of you are sniffing. The fact that you are sniffing makes us compatriots.

I am definitely one of the bozos @Malatesta, but that doesn’t change anything that I said. What I said stands.

“Oh, hot dog! Groat cakes again. Heavy on the 30 weight, Mom.” Porgy Tirebiter Porgy and Mudhead in High School, 1956 Firesign Cinema Feature Production Company and Breakfast Emporium

I don’t disagree with anything you said, @fredh. What you said can certainly stand. I laugh at the terminology. I laugh at the fact that, ever since A Sophisticate Like Myself on the old a.s.p. boards, there has been a basic inability for partakers in tobacco to just sit back and let the other fellow like what he damned well likes. I like ancient Peterson’s, with british scented virginia flakes. Doesn’t matter to me that someone else bought a Bo Nordh and only smokes xxz tobacco. And @chefdaniel, “Hello, seeker!”

A.S.P. eh, @Malatesta? So are you going to tell me, “Snuff what you like; like what you snuff”? Just kidding. But that hackneyed and tired expression converted from the pipe world (as it is normally applied to pipe smoking) has been used quite enough. It is now a cliché. I am happy to know you like Petersons. They are great pipes and I respect you for it. OF COURSE we all want each other here on Snuffhouse to enjoy what they like. And 99% of the people here on Snuffhouse do not try to make converts to particular brands and I think I am being accurate when I say that I think the folks here would not react favorably if someone were to say that we “_ should _” like this or that snuff. In fact, in the past year I don’t remember anyone ever doing that. But we all express our opinions. One guy might condemn menthols and the next guy might glorify them. But in the end, it seems to me that we all are individuals and fiercely independent. I agree with you in saying that we should be tolerant of each othr. If a guy likes menthols, or florals, more power to him. Just as in the pipe world, if a guy likes aromatics, or latakia, more power to him, after all, in the big picture, we all like pipes or snuff as the case may be. Snuffhouse is not like the old ASP, which I was on back in the late 1990s which became so petty I had to leave. And it is not like SmokersForum which is popular now in the pipe world. People here can actually express their likes and dislikes , courteously and respectfully here without repercussions or comeuppances of the type you see from the moderators on Smokers Forums, where one is, for the most part, not allowed to say anything negative or disagree with the majority in any significant way. I should know, I have (that is, had) a long history fighting that kind of idiocy and lack of respect for freedom including SF. I have seen threads on Snuffhouse that would never fly on Smokers Forums the difference being that here the mods watch them closely and deal with them in a highly rational fashion, unlike SF. They have yet to make a decision that I did not think was wise, but that’s just me. I have found the people here on Snuffhouse to be intelligent and thoughtful. And if, for example, @jeffcraft1 wants to say that he thinks F&T is the best snuff out there. More power to him for expressing his viewpoint. I think it is great. After all, if a snuff time capsule were ever constructed for the future of humanity, we all know that F&T HDT, at the least, would be among those eternal classics. So yeah, I am hoping that we on Snuffhouse never get to the reverse snobbery or the reverse elitism that I have seen run rampant in other forums. That was behind my post that seemed to be amusing to you. If you think my language is laughable, I am happy I made somebody laugh. But to me, any kind of snobbery or elitism, reverse or otherwise, poisons the interchange of ideas. I have seen it happen in my pipe hobby and in my profession. I hope you agree.

I have bought into the elitist bullshit when it comes to beer, whisk(e)y, and cigars, however, never when came/comes to snuff. I’m a microbrew prick, yet I love my Toque and (gasp) even kind of like sliver dollar. I do want to try SWS etc. , however, toque quit and vanilla will always be favorites of mine. Like the snuffs you like and relinquish your fear of judgement. Damn, now I have the urge to place another order with toque.

What do you mean by elitist @Peter77? If I were forced to use that kind of divisive language, I would say that I think Toque snuff is quite elitist due to its exceptionally high quality, along with some of the Dholakia snuffs as well (that includes some of their Temptation, Wow, and FUBAR offerings). And oh yeah, don’t forget Old Mill snuffs. @chefdaniel strives for the highest possible quality. What an elitist bastard he is becoming. :D/ How dare these snuff makers who have so much gall and arrogance that they seek to rise above their competition and produce the finest quality snuff possible. We should boycott all of them. Long live mediocrity! That’s what we need more of in life! Hell yeah! Let’s try to avoid “anti-elitist elitism.”

<\\blockquote> Let me explain by saying that comment was not directed towards snuff producers. As I stated I want to try some of the higher end snuffs. I never once stated that a particular blender as being elitist. What I was referring to is a mentality of snobbery. Quality can be found at any price range when it comes to snuff. I think I should have done a better job expounding upon my point of view, because it seems as if it could be easily misinterpreted. However, the main target in that comment was not quality, price tag, or even any snuff producers, but rather mentality that had corrupted other hobbies that I do not want tainting the snuff community.

I don’t participate elsewhere, @fredh, so I can’t comment on SF. Don’t think for a moment I was ever laughing at you. Language amuses me. Language used well is wit. When I see a well-crafted phrase, I smile, play with it, roll it around my tongue. There is humor in your terminology and I find it hard to believe it was completely unintentional–that turn of phrase was crafted. Anti-elitist elitism captures the absurdity of the viewpoint you are mocking. I salute that. I was also laughing at the potential for any snobbery/reverse snobbery anywhere in this form of tobacco use. Snuff is so overwhelmingly affordable compared to my Comoy or Charatan collecting days. I can get a months supply for roughly 40 dollars. If I went crazy on on the one-man operation snuff makers, I might spend 75. Compare it to the price of any vice. That would be a weeks worth of cigarettes at this point. Maybe two weeks of pipe tobacco. I guess I just don’t see the potential for the “Everyman” snuff vs the snuff of the gilded aristocrat. If my tastes differ from yours or anyone else’s, of course I might raise a eyebrow. Heck, I might think you’re crazy. (I’m looking at you, chili spice sniffers). I certainly wouldn’t say “snuff what you like and like what you snuff.” The phrase, is, as you say, hackneyed; however, I can say it matters not one whit to me what you happen to like. And I’ll read everyone’s posts with pleasure-I already am looking at snuffs I’d have never known existed before. I’m glad there are lone wolves experimenting on the fringes. I’m glad there are relatively large blending houses. Room enough for both.

Yeah, I kind of find it hard to believe there are a lot of elite snuff users any more. As in the distinguished gentlemen you read about. I have to agree with the whole price thing @Malatesta stated. I still see people complaining about prices a lot. Still I have yet to see a can of snuff that is very expensive in relation to other things, pretty much everything is more expensive. I am only referring to what I have read here, because in my 35 years of living, I have yet to meet another person that sniffs tobacco in real life. So, I don’t have a clue what kind of lives an average snuffer lives. I go out and party sometimes, and people get a kick out of it, I try to stay discreet, so people don’t assume i’m hoarding narcotics. But always look at me like im some sort of damn fool snorting tobacco. I’m not so sure I could ever consider snuffing serious in the modern world. Not many people will understand, besides someones grandma.

When I had my own little place, Truffles, in Mill Valley, CA I had the pleasure of living next door to one of my best customers: Senator SI Hayakawa. His given name was Samuel, but everyone called him “Don” for reasons that still baffle me. He had been President of San Francisco State until he got elected (as he said it “erected”). The man was a freaking genius, and his book, Language in Thought and Action is considered The Bible of Semantics. First published a hell of a long time ago, the second edition was even more thought provoking and useful in daily life. I have a worn out copy, autographed, that I still crack open from time to time. Having gone over this thread several times I am over joyed to see energetic, yet civil discussion of a not-so-controversial subject. It is nice to be among folks that share a common interest that feel free to ‘agree to disagree’ without being disagreeable & have thought provoking dialogue and still remain friends. This forum cannot be compared to any other on the interwebs. Snuffhouse, and its members, are truly amazing. And they all act like mature, grown up adults, not over indulged, self absorbed know-it-alls as you find populating other sites. This thread would have intrigued and amused him, and he’d likely kick my ass for starting it if he were still among us. “p.14 We live in a highly competitive society, each of us trying to outdo the other in wealth, in popularity or social prestige, in dress, in scholastic grades or golf scores… One is often tempted to say that conflict, rather than cooperation, is the great governing principle of human life.” http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Language\\_in\\_Thought\\_and\\_Action

I don’t participate elsewhere, @fredh, so I can’t comment on SF. Don’t think for a moment I was ever laughing at you. Language amuses me. Language used well is wit. When I see a well-crafted phrase, I smile, play with it, roll it around my tongue. There is humor in your terminology and I find it hard to believe it was completely unintentional–that turn of phrase was crafted. Anti-elitist elitism captures the absurdity of the viewpoint you are mocking. I salute that. I was also laughing at the potential for any snobbery/reverse snobbery anywhere in this form of tobacco use. Snuff is so overwhelmingly affordable compared to my Comoy or Charatan collecting days. I can get a months supply for roughly 40 dollars. If I went crazy on on the one-man operation snuff makers, I might spend 75. Compare it to the price of any vice. That would be a weeks worth of cigarettes at this point. Maybe two weeks of pipe tobacco. I guess I just don’t see the potential for the “Everyman” snuff vs the snuff of the gilded aristocrat. If my tastes differ from yours or anyone else’s, of course I might raise a eyebrow. Heck, I might think you’re crazy. (I’m looking at you, chili spice sniffers). I certainly wouldn’t say “snuff what you like and like what you snuff.” The phrase, is, as you say, hackneyed; however, I can say it matters not one whit to me what you happen to like. And I’ll read everyone’s posts with pleasure-I already am looking at snuffs I’d have never known existed before. I’m glad there are lone wolves experimenting on the fringes. I’m glad there are relatively large blending houses. Room enough for both.

i dont know what it is about F&T when i first opened kendal brown and smelled i knew i would like it. even tho it seemed to be a finer grind. it was easy to take. i bought 50 grams of along with 4-5 other F&T products i didnt get HDT because i heard how fine it is. someone compared it to white elephant. i dont think ill get good at those untill i moisten them