Sorry I know old news. I didn’t even know about the PACT act till I went looking for snuff online when I decided to pick it back up again. Can’t wait for Toques new flavors due out soon. edm

FDA ruling about needing to give the FDA a list of ingriedents. The american market wasn’t big enough for poschel to justify the hassle apperantly. Or so that is what I’ve heard.

I’ve been away for a while myself and was curious as to why Toque’s link is missing from the supporter shops list. I haven’t kept up on Poschl’s U.S. marketing policies so I can’t offer any help on your topic question. PACTGATE issued in a dark time for the snuff community. No longer was it just anti-tobacco fervor that threatened snuff, but now collateral damage from Big Tobacco kicking sand in the face of Little Tobacco.

Indeed, but the FDA regs happened independently, though simultaneously, to PACT. Personally, I feel Pöschl has something to hide, or their snuffs have some ingredient which they believe the FDA will not apporove. I’m not buying the “it’s too expensive” argument. They already provide similar information in their native Germany to that country’s FDA equivalent.

Xander, I think the same, because I’m sure they got some money from their USA market (and some money is better than none), but I can’t think of something worth hiding, because I doubt they can make (tobacco) snuff addictive no matter what they use in it, and it would make no sense if they put something dangerous in it, because it would be unnecessary. Do you have any theory about it?

@Spyro There is a comment on here somewhere answering your question. I just could not find it to make a link. (Sorry) I will keep looking.

Somewhere there was a list of what is in each poschel snuff. My first thought was it’s not the menthol or the parfin that makes my nose hate poschel. So I think Xander may be onto something.

@Menma: I don’t think they are adding anything nefarious. However, different countries have different regulations for food additives. For instance tonquin bean extract is curently illegal to use as a food additive (and presumably a tobacco additive) in the US, but I think its not in Europe. Other things are banned there that are legal here. So if there was an ingredient that they knew the US would not allow, then they might say its too expensive to make a seperate version of each product just to comply with the US FDA’s requirements. Personally, I think its one or more of the paraffin or oil types they use to moisturize the snuff, but that’s just a guess. @ bob: yes, It was a link to the German regulatory agency. It had all the German, and German marketed snuffs listed in there. Perhaps someone who remembers can post the link.

Many snus companies did not do the FDA thing as well. I think the US market for them just wasn’t big enough for the trouble.

"FDA ruling about needing to give the FDA a list of ingriedents. The american market wasn’t big enough for poschel to justify the hassle apperantly. Or so that is what I’ve heard. " I’ve only ever seen one such list (see below). Would be interested to see others. http://www.swedishmatch.com/en/Our-business/Snuff-and-snus/Ingredients-in-snuff/Composite-list/?intCategoryID=4

“the FDA regs happened independently, though simultaneously, to PACT.” What a lucky coincidence for the proponents of PACT. Is Poschl invested in cigarette sales? The FDA excuse may not be the whole story.

@PhilipS : “Would be interested to see others.” @Xander : “Perhaps someone who remembers can post the link.” Here’s a German government site that lists additives in German tobaccos. In german, obviously: http://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?site\\_key=153 Type in a brand, e.g. “Poschl”, then choose “Wasserpfeifen-, Kau- ind Schnupftabake…” from the second drop-down menu.

@Jari T: yes, that’s it. Thank you.

I looked in the moist snuff ingredients and it has Hydrochloric acid as an acidity regulator

Xander: OK, thanks! Now I understand it better. I didn’t think about the extra cost and mess of making separate batches and using different ingredients. I considered the oils being the cause too, but I though they used mineral oil, and it’s supposed to be legal everywhere, though they probably use more moisturizers, so it could be that. I also though flavourings would be equally legal everywhere, so thanks for proving me wrong. If they use Hydrochloric acid as an acidity regulator as Brandasaur says, it might be that.

Yeah not considered food safe I would imagine. Though who knows.

Oh,… and you think “ground- up -folks” in line 10 of ingredients is food safe, Bob!!!

soylent green?

Its Taco Bell beef most likely.

I heard Taco Bell can’t legally call it beef since its less than 40% actual beef, so they use the Colbertish term “beefy”.

@Xander Be careful…Taco Bell somehow “proved” it to be beef, and sued the publication that published that report! LOL!!

Poschl snuff has never caused me to make a “run for the border”. Can’t say the same for Taco Bell’s “beefy” ingredient which should be more appropriately classified by the FDA as a “laxative”.

Reconstituted meat. That’s the word or two.

@Brandasaur : "I looked in the moist snuff ingredients and it has *Hydrochloric acid* as an acidity regulator " Which snuff has it? I couldn’t find it in any list. Edit: Ah, found it. It was on the Swedish match page under “moist snuff”, I looked at the german list… Edit2: At the same site under “Nasal Snuff” they list an ingredient: “Nonanal”. I’m still undecided how to feel about that. I guesss, I’m glad about the “non-” part…

that’s cause you don’t know what it means. I beat you’re not a doctor.

"I beat you’re not a doctor. " I beat you aren’t one, either.

HCl is very common in a LOT of things. If they use it it doesn’t automatically mean its unsafe… its probably really diluted… but I’m not sure this is just a guess

hey if my a wants to insert itself where it does not belong just let it B.

speaking words of wisom, Let it be.

How would you know?

If I want to pick my ears that’s my call man. Leave my elbows alone.

Lmao Micheltn I’m saying nothing to that one lol. Stefan

Alright I’am coming clean. Poschel left the U.S. market cause they got sick of me making fun of their snuffs.

Good work, Bob!

Thank you. They just couldn’t take the pressure. If you want to see a german snuff maker cry. Take a sniff of their snuff and say wow this isn’t bad it reminds me of a bernards gone horribly wrong. By the way their tears are the one ingredient that they didn’t want the FDA to know about. So I guess the story has some ins and outs.

The funny thing is, bob, everytime a Poschl is made…another maker of fine quality snuff sheds a few tears as well!!!

too true

Yeah it’s annoying that they’re gone, It will be interesting to see what’s left over after this. I was in a tobacco shop and a guy was asking what happened to poschl snuff and the owner said he didn’t know.

It’s simply not legal now to sell snuff in the U.S. that has not been approved by the FDA. Nothing to do with Poschl pulling out or withdrawing. I’m sure after a spell, and the headache of regulation compliance they will be back. Meanwhile Roderick with Toque snuff will be here in full force to cover the demand of the market. I personally really appreciate the Poschl products and am looking forward to seeing Roderick compete for their share of the market.

the US welcomes Roderick and Toque with OPEN ARMS I know I do. I just don’t like menthol…

@Juxtaposer: No, they will not be back. Pöschl said that the US market was so negligible that it wasn’t worth their time. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them to jump through hoops for us.

I think given enough time, and assuming the snuff renaissance continues, we will see Poschl return. Even a negligible profit is some incremental profit, and most businesses will pursue every dime… For me no great loss, because I don’t appreciate menthol either, but for those of you who do, keep your long-distance hopes up. Meanwhile we have our great EU vendors to assist.

The vendors are working hard too I might add. Don’t forget to thank them now and then for helping to get snuff to our homes despite the obstacles. Many have taken great risks to do so.

Poschl Bayern-Prise was/is a favorite of mine. When I saw the fruity flavors around my part, I figured I was one step away from seeing their schmalzlers, which I think have credability. And a big thanks to the vendors for the chance to try the whole range.