Sorry I know old news. I didn’t even know about the PACT act till I went looking for snuff online when I decided to pick it back up again. Can’t wait for Toques new flavors due out soon. edm
FDA ruling about needing to give the FDA a list of ingriedents. The american market wasn’t big enough for poschel to justify the hassle apperantly. Or so that is what I’ve heard.
I’ve been away for a while myself and was curious as to why Toque’s link is missing from the supporter shops list. I haven’t kept up on Poschl’s U.S. marketing policies so I can’t offer any help on your topic question. PACTGATE issued in a dark time for the snuff community. No longer was it just anti-tobacco fervor that threatened snuff, but now collateral damage from Big Tobacco kicking sand in the face of Little Tobacco.
Indeed, but the FDA regs happened independently, though simultaneously, to PACT. Personally, I feel Pöschl has something to hide, or their snuffs have some ingredient which they believe the FDA will not apporove. I’m not buying the “it’s too expensive” argument. They already provide similar information in their native Germany to that country’s FDA equivalent.
Xander, I think the same, because I’m sure they got some money from their USA market (and some money is better than none), but I can’t think of something worth hiding, because I doubt they can make (tobacco) snuff addictive no matter what they use in it, and it would make no sense if they put something dangerous in it, because it would be unnecessary. Do you have any theory about it?
@Spyro There is a comment on here somewhere answering your question. I just could not find it to make a link. (Sorry) I will keep looking.
Somewhere there was a list of what is in each poschel snuff. My first thought was it’s not the menthol or the parfin that makes my nose hate poschel. So I think Xander may be onto something.
@Menma: I don’t think they are adding anything nefarious. However, different countries have different regulations for food additives. For instance tonquin bean extract is curently illegal to use as a food additive (and presumably a tobacco additive) in the US, but I think its not in Europe. Other things are banned there that are legal here. So if there was an ingredient that they knew the US would not allow, then they might say its too expensive to make a seperate version of each product just to comply with the US FDA’s requirements. Personally, I think its one or more of the paraffin or oil types they use to moisturize the snuff, but that’s just a guess. @ bob: yes, It was a link to the German regulatory agency. It had all the German, and German marketed snuffs listed in there. Perhaps someone who remembers can post the link.
Many snus companies did not do the FDA thing as well. I think the US market for them just wasn’t big enough for the trouble.
"FDA ruling about needing to give the FDA a list of ingriedents. The american market wasn’t big enough for poschel to justify the hassle apperantly. Or so that is what I’ve heard. " I’ve only ever seen one such list (see below). Would be interested to see others. http://www.swedishmatch.com/en/Our-business/Snuff-and-snus/Ingredients-in-snuff/Composite-list/?intCategoryID=4
“the FDA regs happened independently, though simultaneously, to PACT.” What a lucky coincidence for the proponents of PACT. Is Poschl invested in cigarette sales? The FDA excuse may not be the whole story.
@PhilipS : “Would be interested to see others.” @Xander : “Perhaps someone who remembers can post the link.” Here’s a German government site that lists additives in German tobaccos. In german, obviously: http://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?site\_key=153 Type in a brand, e.g. “Poschl”, then choose “Wasserpfeifen-, Kau- ind Schnupftabake…” from the second drop-down menu.
@Jari T: yes, that’s it. Thank you.
I looked in the moist snuff ingredients and it has Hydrochloric acid as an acidity regulator
Xander: OK, thanks! Now I understand it better. I didn’t think about the extra cost and mess of making separate batches and using different ingredients. I considered the oils being the cause too, but I though they used mineral oil, and it’s supposed to be legal everywhere, though they probably use more moisturizers, so it could be that. I also though flavourings would be equally legal everywhere, so thanks for proving me wrong. If they use Hydrochloric acid as an acidity regulator as Brandasaur says, it might be that.
Yeah not considered food safe I would imagine. Though who knows.
Oh,… and you think “ground- up -folks” in line 10 of ingredients is food safe, Bob!!!
soylent green?
Its Taco Bell beef most likely.
I heard Taco Bell can’t legally call it beef since its less than 40% actual beef, so they use the Colbertish term “beefy”.