Atleast for me! I asked about the survival of my favorite snuffs with the new laws and got this back from Poschl: "Our snuff products will not be affected by the new TPDII law so I can confirm that all P
Hmm, looks like it didn’t post all of my paste, try again : "Our snuff products will not be affected by the new TPDII law so I can confirm that all P
@Red5angel, try posting it without o umlaut. This platform does not accept it and cuts the message 
Our snuff products will not be affected by the new TPDII law so I can confirm that all Poschl Schmalzler and Snuff will remain available We only had to change some names according to EU-CEG / TPDII law. Please see old and new names enclosed: Ozona O-Type (former Ozona Orange Snuff) Ozona R-Type (former Ozona Raspberry Snuff) Gawith Original Snuff (former Gawith Apricot Snuff) Andechs Snuff (former Andechs Spezial Snuff)
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That worked, thanks!
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That’s the second snuff maker who has confirmed name changes for snuff
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So how do they not suffer the fate of WoS?
@JosephJames - The EU regulation is not a ban per se, but a regulation, which includes big fees and major bureaucracy to get snuff sold throughout the EU. Poschl can evidently afford those fees. Sharrow Mills cannot afford the fees to sell all of their snuffs, in all sizes, to all EU nations, so they are forced to axe all but their best sellers in limited sizes.
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I can’t believe Grand Cairo wasn’t a best seller 
I figured Poschl had deep pockets. Why does EU believe bureaucracy is the answer to everything?
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Because they are corrupt, power crazy, arrogant arseholes, who think they are protecting the people from their own stupidity. We are not rid of them yet, but we’re working on it. I honestly believe that we will not be the last country to walk away from their “soft dictatorship” approach to governance. I think GC has one of the biggest ingredient lists in their scenting formulation, and as every ingredient has to be declared and accounted for, it may present more hassle than it is worth. That’s purely speculation though. The other possibility for withdrawal is that I know some stockist have refused to sell it in the smaller tins due to them rusting on the shelves as a result of the high moisture content, so that may also be a factor.
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@50ft_trad I only had to read the first few words of your post above before I pushed the Like button!!!
The problem is that your comment can be applied to every politician from the most low level local councillor all the way to the very top. All of them seem to be incapable of doing what they have been elected to do but they find plenty of time to interfere with aspects of life that have nothing to do with them.
If we ever actually leave the EU - which I seriously doubt will happen - we will still have problems with all of our homegrown control freaks.
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@chris Quite true, but at least when we leave, every few years we will be able to sack them and get a fresh set of corrupt power crazy arrogant arseholes to moan about. No such luck in the EU. Democracy is the ability to determine for ourselves which incompetent turds we want ruining our lives, not just tolerate the ones we get issued
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@Roderick Personally, I would disagree with that. I understand they are competition, but they are also incredibly widespread competition. Widespread enough to put the concept of snuff in people’s minds who don’t frequent tobacco related internet forums. I want the smaller companies to survive and thrive too, but I do not necessarily want to larger companies to suffer in order for that to happen. Surely it’s easier for the smaller companies to get existing snuffers to try another brand, than it is to introduce it to non-snuffers. The more companies than can negotiate their way through this current wave of oppression, the better in my opinion - even if the most publicly visible “gateway” snuffs are owned by big tobacco. It’s more snuffers that are needed, not less manufacturers, and big businesses are just as much a part of keeping the market alive as small ones.
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Afterthought: I have no idea how Germany are drawing up their laws to accommodate the directive, nor what fees will be levied (they will formulate their own legislation separately to the UK) and I certainly wish all the German mills the very best in persevering through these difficult times. Indeed I hope ALL remaining European snuff producers can find a way through the current challenges with perseverance, cunning, concession or whatever other salvation that may present itself, and that they retain maximum productivity, viability and diversity at minimal cost (in more ways than just financial). I personally don’t use Poschl snuffs, but I am pleased they are able to continue their full range for those that do use them. There are a number of manufacturers whose products I don’t use, whether due to grind, mentholation, or other factors, but I still hope they all fight on through these dark days and wish them all strength and prosperity for the sake of the wider snuffing community.
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@roderick, lol, it’s not horrible news in that they currently make my favorite snuffs and will continue to make them! What does suck is a government thinking too much FOR the people and instituting legislation in this. I suspect this was a lobby attempt by general anti-tobacco groups who found that implying inviting scents attract children. I don’t know anyone who uses a tobacco product who made that decision on a flavor they saw on the shelf.
Well I’m approaching this purely as a consumer, and not looking at the business challenges. I’m not paid to worry about such things 
I’m happy that Poschl fans retain their favourites, and remain sad and worried about the fate of my favourites. Many of my favourites from Wilsons have been declared kaput. Choc Orange, Thyme and Lemon, Rum and Blackberry, Irish Coffee… will this mean I stop buying Wilsons? No! Will I move to Poschl to fill the void? No! Poschl will not be benefiting from my business. I don’t buy tap boxes, and I don’t buy mentholated. If only Poschl survives, I’ll just stop buying snuff. I’m not paying upwards of 20p a gram for snuff I don’t like, in a box I can’t pinch from. Yet I am happy that users such as Red5angel still get to keep their daily pinch. I will be buying whichever of my favourites survive from my preferred producers. I want to keep buying from Kendal, but if they go tap box only, they lose me as a customer. I want to keep buying from Wilsons, as they’ve retained some snuffs I’m happy to keep using. I want to keep buying McC Mild Lemon - I don’t care much for the rest of their range so far. I am hoping that Toque retains the diversity that so many others have lost/are losing, or that at least some of my favourites (especially Berwick Brown) endure. Ultimately however, besides writing a few letters to get some public officials on board, all I can do is choose from what is offered to me. I do not lament the market keeping what I don’t want, I only mourn the loss of ones I enjoy. I appreciate this is the biggest blow to snuff in the UK since the pit closures, and I do believe that snuff will rise again in time. Till then, it’s going to be trying times for mills and consumers alike.
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I got this from Wilsons of Sharrow today  …Â
There are a lot of changes happening at the moment with the introduction from Europe of the Tobacco Products Directive 2 (TPD2).
This requires us to change our packaging and the names of our snuffs that have a
@ShaunS You’ll need to edit their reply for us, buddy. If there’s any symbols in the text the post gets cut off. Eager to hear the rest of what they said. Cheers
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Good afternoon and thank you for your enquiry.
Following the UK government