Recently mentioned on another forum that Poschl is pulling out of the U.S market, due to the headaches inherent in dealing with the FDA. I have some past personal experience dealing with FDA, and I find the comment perfectly plausible. Can anyone confirm or deny the situation regarding Poschl? What little stocks of snuff I’ve found in the upper midwest and western Mountain U.S seem to consist of Apricot, President and maybe Packard club, plus WE Garret of course. (if there is anything in stock at all) Seems to imply there might be more snuff sniffers than most of us suspect, all of whim will be dissapointed, IF this statement is factual. Any one know the Truth?

Haven’t heard anything about it. Doesn’t sound true considering that Poschl is already FDA approved, and listed on Getsnus.com (The Northerners US Warehouse). Looks like some flavors have sold out but just a few days ago Poschls full US line was there.

This might be based on them sometimes withdrawing brands from certain markets, but if you look at their corporate video the seem to be committed to global supply in general.

The entire line is sold in Germany, not sure if that means much. Dave, do you know if you will be able to get them in the future?

Thank You for the confirmation Dave. Bad as the news is, President and Packards were my ‘fall back’ supply when traveling, could usually find one or the other someplace if I miscalculated and didn’t pack enough Actually that FDA requirement on dry snuff (lumped in with snus because the buffoons in the district of Corruption don’t know the difference) represents a back door expansion of FDA authority. Their charter limits them to food and critical medical devices, CT scanners, X-Ray, MRI etc. They’ve been trying to expand their authority for years, into non-food products, vitamins etc. One of the arguments (to be heard in court later, maybe, if anyone sues) is that dry nasal snuff falls into the same non-food category as herbal medicines and vitamins and therefore is outside of FDA jurisdiction. Problem is that no one has been harmed … yet, so there is no standing for a lawsuit … yet. I’ll just depress myself and everyone else if I relate any of the FDA horror stories I have personal knowledge and/or experience with. Best to just leave leave the whole thing as the very bad news it is! Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

Which snuff brands, if any, are FDA approved? I heard Toque was going through the process, any others?

I think Roderick is the only one now. Don’t hold your breath for WoS or Samuel Gawith. SG can’t even return a damn email.

Problem with submitting to FDA is that your ingredients even if not your process becomes public record, available to anyone. Rumor has it that snuff manufacturers are rather protective of their ingredients and processes.

Sadly Dave, I think you may be on target. After all, if I had to choose either Bayern Prise or Packards Club… it wouldn’t be a hard decision. Poschl knows they can make money selling authentic German snuff inside of Germany, they don’t need the US brands. I’m still surprised that they didn’t register. They are mostly the only brand people see inside of tobacconist shops.

Again the question arises, can American citizens order non-FDA registered snuff?

Sure, as long as they are not sold domestically. EDIT: The FDA has no control over what another country sells you over the internet.

Then why are the Swedish snus sellers not selling the non-FDA snus to the US?

Don’t know, ask them.

What I’m trying to figure out is why Get Snus’ shipping rates quadrupled.

getsnus seems to be about $12 something now for shipping, and it’s UPS.

Its always been UPS. I ordered from them before, I think I picked up 7 or 8 cans, shipping was $3 and change.

Yes, it was, though sometimes it was sent usps too, but either way, it was around $3.

@cstokes- I’m guessing it’s the age verification system is the reason for the shipping costs.

Chances are that Northerner came in and told them that they were not charging enough for shipping.

That’s okay Roderick, at least I know you won’t be extorting anyone.

Roderick, please keep us posted. I will want to get a gigantic order in before anything changes.

“May you live in interesting times”, indeed.

So how is this age verification going to work through some sites? Please don’t tell me you’re gonna make it be 21-or-older, like some cigar sites out there…as I’m only 20. I don’t understand why some sites do that, the legal age (at least here) is 18 after all…

It’s not elaborate at all. And, IMHO, it’s no excuse to quadruple the shipping cost.

I still like the “plain brown wrapper” idea. Label it as instant tea or something. The bulk Toques would be easy to label as instant tea, because they are in baggies, and it really does look like instant tea.

Excuse me while I calmly rap my tin and have a pinch as the hatchet falls…

Getsnus had age verification software since I’ve been shopping with them, that’s almost 2 years now. So its nothing new. Also, I can’t see Pöschl realistically pulling out of the US market. They already have the largest market share here. Something will work itself out. Something is not making much sense with all of this.

Well, the fact that Poschls US distributor sent their entire stock back to Germany is a grim sign. Perhaps sales were not what we thought they were.

I also just noticed that Poschl no longer list Packards Club, Ozona Orange, and Ozona Spearmint for their offerings. This is of course on the non-Germany site.

You know what is really strange and should make everyone feel really confused. When I checked it out my shipping cost went down a lot ups. Which just makes it even more of a conundrum.

I’m confused, because some places I read that private carriers will deliver tobacco, and other places I’m reading they won’t.

Getsnus uses UPS so you have to sign on receipt. This is actually not that bad except A.) It costs more, and B.) You have to be home the day it gets delivered. The FDA loves to mettle in everyones business, they even tried to get electronic cigarettes banned, which is a big slap in the face to any ex-smoker. The FDA is fundamentally Marxist after all. Ozona/Poschl is actually what got me started on snuff, but i dont care for it nearly as much as the Toque ive tried. Props to you, Roderick, for going through the annoying process, best of success. I for one will pay the extra bit for shipping to keep getting snuff from you: I love it It would really suck if the FDA keeps trying to over regulate and make cigarettes and dip by BIG TOBACCO corps. the only US option. Im so happy to be free of cigarettes choosing ecigs, snus and snuff instead, it just boggles me that the FDA tries to thwart healthier options for people like me, a US military Veteran at that.

The FDA is not fundamentally Marxist.

It’s Stalinist.

Clueless and a bit corrupt are the descriptors I’d use.

So Stalinist it is then lol Stefan

So I guess it’s Stalinist/Marxist/Socialist that we have the ingredients listed on food packages. And I guess that it’s also Stalinist/Marxist/Socialist that we don’t allow lead in a childs toy.

No, the “commies” didn’t do it, the American corporations that make the toys did it. Natural Flavors is equal to “Proprietary”. I wouldn’t expect for Roderick to say what his “Natural Flavors” are the same way I don’t expect for Sprite to list their exact formula. There is a level of proprietary information, which… is very Capitalistic. Simply telling companies that they can put it on there or not is silly. How many companies would tell you that there is 2,000mg of sodium per serving?

No, I don’t agree with leaving the regulation in the companies hands.

A Modest Proposal was not satire but serious libertarian policy tract.

I just have had a lot of pent up grief for the FDA, sorry for any mislabeled angst. The way they handled electronic cigarettes absolutely baffled me. I live in senator Herb Kohl’s home state, and he was not my candidate of choice. His new PACT bill doesn’t impress me either. If this is a bill designed to curb black market cigarettes, why attack all forms of smokeless tobacco as well? Granted i don’t socialize with many teens these days, i really don’t see any youth walking around with cans of Skruf or sniffing snuff from a bullet. Logically if a tobacco product is several dozen times less socially harmful than another, can’t we find a way to impose less regulations on the said product? I believe parents in this country need to be held responsible for their children illegally purchasing tobacco on-line, just like it is their responsibility to make sure their children don’t access adult material. Its easy enough to block tobacco sites with a net filter program, and some free ones are available if parents wanted to take the time. Why punish law abiding, tax paying adults, and honest tobacconists. Thats just my 2 cents.

This is such a tin foil hat moment. 1. People are buying cigs by mail, government loses revenue. -> Ban mailing cigs. 2. People switch to the next cheapest thing, smokeless and e-cigs. -> As a contingency plan, include those items as well. 3. Only options left are either a) abide and buy government approved items with high tax or b) break the law, get caught and ultimately fined to death. It’s all a conspiracy between The Man and the Big Tobacco Companies (or BTC as I like to call them). In conclusion, there aren’t many types of government which can react to the changing times (mainly to technology and globalization). Those that can, are usually known as dictatorships. P.S: I may be paranoid, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get me.

I agree so much Mittens. I find myself very aligned with Ron Paul, and he very firmly voted against it - its just sad there isn’t many more like him. Tobacco itself is just a plant. Big tobacco is a malevolent torrent of corruption and greed. The fact that the companies adding lethal chemicals to cigarettes have any sway at all is a scary thing. Ive lost so many of my family to R.J. Reynolds and yet i smoked Camel filters for 12 years ex post facto. Ive given so many thousands of dollars away to them and for what? I’m sorry, but snuff and snus are so much more sophisticated and tons safer. Not only do i taste food better now, my new tobaccos of choice are complex and fragrant! Why cant they worry about more pressing concerns! Herb Kohl, who climbed up the political ladder fueled by his success as a cutthroat retail tycoon is just the type of person to push this bill, someone who has done nothing but bulldoze through local competition with a mega-corporate mentality. And definitely someone who loves to !@#! on the little man. Screw PACT.

Wait would I be able to bet on the name of his store by his last name. If so wow no wonder that place sucks so much.

And to make it even more interesting, Kohl’s is owned by British-American Tobacco. LOL.

Just tell the FDA that your snuff contains Aspartame and they’ll pass it right through.

Bump