@ cstokes I with you Is that really a G&H label???\ Really???
I did wonder that, i guess they make it for them ? not sure…
I know that either GH or SG actually make Smiths’ snuffs, but I forget which. It looks like it might well be GH…
What a rip. Sure, Gawith & Hoggarth make some good snuff, but… not good enough to simply re-label it and sell it for 5 times the cost of the other brand.
I guess that picture answers that question about Cafe Royal anyway. It doesn’t tell us who makes the rest, except that we know (from the horse’s mouth, so to speak) that SG make Golden Cardinal.
Wow, I guess that cat is out of the bag for good now! That’s not just a look-a-like label a la Atherthon’s. It really says Gawith Hoggarth right on it! I guess that’s why Dry Orange reminds me of my old Smith’s Lemon. I think I read once that Smith’s contracted with both GH and SG depending on which blend. I’ll get the Kendal Browns out tonight and maybe the Princes and do some comparisons. Thanks for the photo, iceman.
ermtony for the win.
@ cstokes4: Smith’s have their own unique blends, they just get someone else to make them. That’s not the same as re-labelling existing product.
No Worries, my sister said that George IV comes in the same pots as well…
I think one of us needs to buy that shop and put it to rights again.
I know, Toffee. It’s just the idea that they sell it for an extreme price when you can get a snuff made by the same company on the cheap. I think it’s My Smoking Shop that has GH 25g tubs for a few quid. In the meantime, Smiths is selling a snuff made by the same people for 4-5 times that amount.
My Smoking Shop sell GH 25g tubs for £1.99
@ cstokes4: Yeah, you’re right. I suppose they’re selling the cachet of the brand. Cafe Royale used to be the most expensive snuff in the world - I guess they want to keep it that way.
My kid sister took the pix while getting my xmas gift, Café Royale
@ ukiceman Thanks For Sharing! It would be a Dream to visit there one day!
You know, I second the motion that one of us should buy that place. Better yet, why don’t several people all come together and buy it? Equal ammount contributed, equal share of the profits… Anyway, yes George IV does come in the same pot, I have one of their 25g myself. The label does say GH but as Toffeenose said, they simply have the make it for them (using their recipes). The place is well worth a visit, their products well worth buying however I wouldn’t use them as a frequent supplier. They are extremely over-price and the people running it down let the ship down. One chap there, a young black fellow was wearing baggy trousers, an untucked shirt and tie. Another, a large man was very… Rough around the edges shall we say… However, there was another chap, with a beard, very knowledgable and helpful. Seemed like he cared for the shop rather than it being just a source of income… Still, we should buy it dammit!!
That will be this guy then
That’s the chap! Better dressed than the others, actually knew what he was talking about and seemed like he cared. Usually seen wearing shirt and tie with a jumper over the top. A respectable gentleman. Oh, in regards to the pots. Bottom right hand corner and also by the computer. That is G. Smith’s standard container. Although is it more or are those tins of snus on the shelf? I thought tobacconists weren’t allowed to sell it in the UK?
I’m guessing that is pipe tobacco. I am still baffled as to why they do not have an online store.
A superb picture of the sneshin Highlander at Smiths (even if snuff has retarded his growth somewhat). Thank you for the download. There is another Highlander at Mullins & Westley. In fact without the bonneted and kilted figure on display outside the Covent Garden shop M&W - due to its diminutive size - would be nigh impossible for the first-timer to find. Since the closure of the South London/Surrey mills on the Wandle (there is still a lovely albeit non-functional mill at Morden Hall Park) all London snuff blenders have had to rely on mills further afield for commercially viable sources. F&T at the time of their closure used Westbrook Mill in Sheffield and Samuel Gawith in Kendal. Here we have the evidence that Café Royal is milled (and probably finished) in Kendal by Gawith Hoggarth. The question is whether the cost of an additional party on top of already steep London prices is worth maintaining the shop itself? Historically and aesthetically Smiths was never on a par with the Haymarket establishment. Since Mr. Rose retired it is not on a professional footing either. If Smiths went out of business then Café Royal and other well-known blends would almost certainly be bought by one of the Kendal names or Sharrow and distributed as the same but at a fraction of the current price.