British manufacturers will nevertheless have a difficult situation, as the track and trace system will make it difficult for them to sell their products within the European Union. I don’t think there is an importer that would be financially profitable to import snuff from England and pay extra for the serialization process of each package.
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That’s an astute observation (but upon reflection quite obvious). Regardless of the damage to the European snuff manufacturing industry Track and Trace will hit British exports. According to the last recorded figure for sales in the UK (1983) volume was 268,376 lb domestic and 262,538 lb export. That export market to Europe will likely dwindle. The consequences are inevitable.
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Tobacco legislation (and, although I don’t use it myself, the illegal status of weed) drives me mad. There’s a far more widely available drug, at far lower prices, which is devastating in a myriad of ways.
Yet the same politicians that come down hard on tobacco and agree with weed being illegal literally celebrate the other drug.
I’m not on a downer about alcohol. If somebody wants to drink, work away, I’m not going to stop you. But I’m yet to hear of someone taking a pinch of snuff or smoking some Mary Jane and battering seven shades out of their wife, getting into fights in bars, getting arrested as a direct result of over-consumption. And that’s before we discuss health complications.
It’s literally bonkers that of the three drugs, alcohol is the one that’s most socially and politically acceptable.
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I think people in this thread need to define what they think “The death of snuff” means. It doesn’t mean that the industry will continue to shrink, it doesn’t mean that it will become a smaller niche, it doesn’t mean that there will be stricter laws.
The death of snuff means that snuff is dead and gone. I would also clarify to say that “the death of snuff” means that it will no longer be available commercially, and if you wanted any chance of getting snuff you’d have to grind your own.
With that clarified, it would be hard to argue that such a time will ever come, whether snuff is a small and dwindling market or not. Will the market decline? Possibly. Will snuff be harder to come by? Possibly. Will stricter laws be placed on smokeless tobacco? Possibly.
But will snuff ever be totally dead and gone? Doubtful.
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Of course. You’re stating the obvious.
But they’re still the ones who make laws, regardless of how influenced they are.
Yeah, we’re basically saying the same thing. I wouldn’t say it’s politicians who are to blame, they’re a dog on a leash, they’re all bought off. We can point the finger at them all we want but they’re just proxies for the “powers that be.”
It’s still their choice to be bought off. So, ultimately, I consider them responsible for their actions. Not sure how that makes me “behind” 
, but anyhow…
Because it’s not ultimately about legislation or politicians. Laws don’t mean anything unless they’re enforced. There are many U.S. states where marijuana is illegal but cops won’t even write someone up for having a little weed in their pocket, they’ll just confiscate it. And the US. Prohibition era saw widespread alcohol use even though it was illegal.
As for politicians, yes they choose to be bought off but what do you expect? An upright and honorable politician? Lol. They are the ones “writing” the laws, but their ideas aren’t there, like I said. They’re proxies for higher powers.
Anyway, we’re derailing the thread here, might as well drop it.
If only there were like a million and ten other careers they could choose from .
Not all of us live in the US either, chief, lol.
Anyway, you went for an ad hominem attack. Then doubled down on it when queried. I’m gonna assume you’re acting in bad faith from now on chief and focus on talking with the many people on here who conduct themselves respectfully 
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@Snugar I think you’re taking offense where none is given. I recommend a hefty dose of menthol snuff to chill out.
Behind in this context equals remedial.
That you didn’t know that questions the accuracy of your arrow somewhat, lol.
Anyway, as I said, enough time wasted, kid. Ciao.
This is my thinking, too. I don’t think snuff will die out. Certainly not in the near to medium future. There’s currently, imo, too wide a variety readily to suggest it will vanish anytime soon.
Will it be more difficult to get hold of in some countries. Probably. But I doubt it will become impossible.
Also, tobacco legislation is a tricky issue. New Zealand, afaik, the first country to introduce a projected complete ban on tobacco has rolled it back.
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Doesn’t matter if the UK government makes all forms of tobacco illegal, people will still do it, and it likely wouldn’t be heavily enforced, anyway. See the U.S. Prohibition era, for example.
It might not matter to you whether the UK government makes all forms of tobacco illegal, but has it never crossed your mind that it matters to people who enjoy British snuff?
That would be the end of a centuries-old tradition of snuff manufacture in this country and long established snuffs such as Princes, S.P and Irish – unless, of course, you care to teach us how to make them.
Take for example a gros snuff such as Princes, a Regency period black snuff. Is it a single base snuff or is it a mixture? What tobacco is used? Is there a specific proportion of leaf and stalk? How often is the stack turned and at what temperature and for how long? What percentage is water and what salts are used in fermentation?
Similarly it might not matter to you if commercially made snuff becomes illegal and unavailable sometime in the future altogether but it matters to the rest of us.
Are you sure that you are posting on the right forum?
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Exactly.
I love English snuffs. They’re my favourite so far. And I’d hate to see them vanish.
Plus it being available only via illegal sources would raise all sorts of concerns on a myriad of issues and levels.
Unless the idea is that illicit tobacco dealers would be somehow more caring of their customers than narcotic dealers.
Frankly, the idea that it wouldn’t matter if snuff became illegal is utterly ridiculous and naive.
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@PhilipS2 I don’t know why you cut off the first sentence before where you quoted me, because that was the entire context of my response:
“Laws don’t make things disappear.”
We’re not talking about a particular tradition of snuffmaking dying out, or snuff becoming harder to get, or whether or not you like these things happening or not happening, we’re talking about snuff itself not existing anymore, the DEATH of snuff.
And my point was that you can put as many laws on the books that you want, it won’t eliminate snuff just like it hasn’t eliminated alcohol, weed, or any other substance.
But feel free to keep whinging, I suppose.
@Snugar For someone who complains about ad-hominems, you seem to be a fan of strawmen.
I said that it doesn’t matter in regards to the death of snuff if it is made illegal because people will still be making snuff and using it, as we have seen with virtually every prohibition law in existence. You are purposefully ignoring the context of my post or struggling with comprehension.
Obviously I would care if snuff is illegal, but the topic of this thread isn’t would we care if snuff was illegal? The topic is the death of snuff, and in that context illegality won’t kill off snuff, just as it never killed off alcohol, weed, or any other substance.
Most people who have read the posts are able to discern that the thread follows the demise of snuff manufacturers and the threat hanging over those that remains. It’s not really that hard to follow.
Manufacturers with centuries of experience in making unique snuffs are being forced out of business. That is an issue of great concern – at least for all for all serious snuff-takers if not for you.
As already suggested, you are at liberty to draw on your (presumably) vast reserves of knowledge and experience to teach us all how to make these unique snuffs from home. If by some slim chance you don’t actually know how manufacturers such as Wilsons of Sharrow (est. 1737) or Bernard (est. 1733) make their varied snuffs, and are unable pass on their accumulated knowledge for our benefit, then please refrain from telling us that their demise doesn’t matter and leave the point of discussion to those of us who are concerned.
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“Laws don’t make things disappear.”
So, you suggest that a law was not responsible for the demise of Bernards and the forthcoming disappearance of their unique snuffs! Please will you explain to the manufacturers the real reason for closure as they are labouring under a misapprehension it was the result of a new law.
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I’ve explained the context of my posts twice now on this thread, Philip, at this point it is derivative. I don’t know if you are being willfully obstinate to what I’m saying or are not understanding.
We are all well aware that laws can close down manufacturers, limit markets, crush commercialization of products. And we are all concerned by that and don’t want such a thing to happen. But in regard to the DEATH of snuff, such an idea is so all-encompassing that it is nigh-on impossible., which has been my point.
Take marijuana for example. Did illegality make marijuana harder to come by? Definitely. Did it make make commercialization of marijuana impossible? Yup. Did it cause people who wanted to use marijuana have to grow it themselves or find alternative means of getting it (dealers)? Certainly.
But did the illegality of marijuana make it “die?” Did the illegality of marijuana cause the death of marijuana? Of course not, because illegality has never killed any substance. Just like the U.S. prohibition era, or the “war on drugs.”
You are turning the conversation into “these manufacturers are closing and you’re not concerned about it and don’t care if snuff becomes illegal” and that has never been my position. The topic is not whether the closing of these manufacturers is worrisome, because of course it is. The topic is whether snuff is going to die. If you don’t believe me, read the title of this thread.
That’s my point and if you still don’t understand (or pretend you’re understanding but continue to miss the mark) I’m not going to waste more time explaining it.
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The snuff market is definitely going to change, for better or (more likely) for worse. But snuff will always be around in some way or another. We are past the heyday of snuff, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t companies adapting to the changing market and continuing the tradition. We see this with companies like Toque who are making varied, non-traditional scents and experimentations. We also see this with Mr. Snuff who are working to stay one step ahead of restrictive policies to continue to provide a modern, online marketplace to get snuff.
It will be a different landscape, for sure. But I’m hopeful to see where snuff goes in the future.
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