I was doing some research and found this letter. Maybe this is why Swisher isn’t growing in the snuff world http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.tobacco.snuff/9600
Interesting, but it’s not going to stop me from sniffing American Scotches, regardless of their intent.
Just shows they don’t know much about the history of their own products
That was a bunch of mambo jambo to avoid answering. Or maybe he didn’t understand the question. He did have to talk to an employee that had seen snuff.And the government make them put warning labels on. Where does it say they don’t make snuff?
Also that was from 2006, kind of before the internet snuff boom. Maybe they’ve wised up since then.
The point that he was making is that Swishers snuff were designed for oral use and he had to ask someone to even understand what nasal snuff was. It does start to answer the question on why they haven’t created a new product in decades or any other american scotch company for that matter. Maybe someone should start sending samples of nasal snuff to them so they will wake up (laughing but true)
I sent them a email asking if they still believe that dry snuff is for oral use only. I also asked what dry snuffs do they still produce and why they haven’t picked up on the nasal snuff market. Who knows
One thing to keep in mind. Toque has to put the government mandated warnings for oral tobacco on their tins that are sold in the US. I think snuff in the US was initially used like in Europe. Over time the method of taking it changed in the US.
@Slide but the point is it might be gradually changing back, and maybe Swisher should know about it. I don’t have much hope though, they’re a cigar company. They’re only acquired the Helme line and I think they kind of regard it as an unloved stepchild.
@Xander Actually last November they brought up in the ranks a guy who is big on figuring out how to turn things around. I believe I read somewhere that he is keen on the smokeless tobacco portion of the business. I still think they are going to drop some of the products to what is on their site but I hope I am wrong
This is fascinating
@Xander I understand that. I was merely stating I do not believe when snuff was first manufactured in the USA it was designed for oral use. I believe the use changed over time. And to the fact that the reply from Swisher may be influenced, other than from a lack of knowledge, by the warning labels the FDA requires them to put on the product. Mr Nelson may believe the FDA…not sure about that one though… Kudos to MattheFox for trying got educate them. :))
@Slide there are several articles on this site about the history of american dry snuff. I remember one that said they started off using it as a nasal snuff, then folks were kind of dipping a toothpick sized twig in it & placing it in their mouth. That was just before they started making dip or chew. I will see if I can locate it
Here it is. The timeline takes a little while to load. Look at the 1700’s http://www.americansnuff.com/Timeline.aspx
Maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks, money talks!
@Slide there are several articles on this site about the history of american dry snuff. I remember one that said they started off using it as a nasal snuff, then folks were kind of dipping a toothpick sized twig in it & placing it in their mouth. That was just before they started making dip or chew. I will see if I can locate it
Interesting. Oral use started earlier than I thought.
To comment on the same thread: I went into my local Smoker Friendly and saw they carried Silver dollar snuff. I asked the store owner if she could get any of the new Toque USA, and told her i’ve ordered it from England and it would nice to get it here. She gave me a really dirty look and said that the only person who used that stuff(SD) was a guy who “dumped it into his mouth”. I then proceeded to give her a mini lecture on the history of snuff taking. She folded he arms over her chest and just said, " Do you really think I give a damn about this crap?" I replied that since this was supposed to be a tobacco store she kind of owed it to her customers to learn about their tastes( I’m a former teacher) and what they wanted. She just said “nobody buys it, so I ain’t gonna order it.” Well, she instantly lost me as a customer. I am sure it doesn’t matter to her because every time I went into the store, there were always a lot of hoodie clad 20 somethings smoking cheap, shitty cigarrettes. The kind I never would smoke, even in my youth. ( I hand rolled Golden Virginia, or Three Castles from England)!! So, to tie this in with your comment about the Swisher Executive…Most Americans are really ignorant about snuff, they think its dip, and thats about it. I took a pinch of SD Spearmint while I was talking to this creature, and she just couldn’t f-ing believe what I was doing…And to boot, she really thought it was disgusting(but so does my gf!) Just my thoughts…
Kind of funny how people who use the foulest form of tobacco (cheap-o cigs), would find snuffing disgusting. Oddly enough, my wife doesn’t find it disgusting at all. She’s just glad I quit smoking the cigs.
@Slide I have been using American scotches for 3 months now and when I first carried them to work I was amazed by how many people said their parents or grandparents used snuff but they wondered why I was putting it in my nose. Thats when I started researching it. @mrmanos It is a sad state for good commerce when a business owner doesn’t see the value of a customer over personal opinion of a product. I get my scotches from our local Food Lion and it has been the opposite. I was in there yesterday and they have restocked the snuff shelf. I believe they are going to need to expand it. They also expanded the other smokeless tobacco display and add some good smoking tobacco’s. I believe someone has the insight know cigarettes prices are making folks try new things and want to make happy customers
I am with you @Faust my wife just spent $60.00 in extracts for my experiments because she loves the fact that I am no longer smoking in the house and only a small amount.