Personally I agree with Mittens 100%, and tom when you say psychic powers have been proven be real I assure you they have not. There is a million dollar prize for anyone that can prove they have any psychic abilities of any kind that no one has been able to claim.
You are free to agree with whom you wish. I am not aware of the extensive studies you wish to see. Though I have read Hieronymous in order to recieve his patent, which was also for the 1st ever patented psychically operated machine, he had to demonstrate that it did work. This info can be found by searching, I’m not doing other’s research. The idea of this area of research, has been supressed by the medical field, that has a huge stake in their power and profts in their domination, with pharma. So, early radionic pioneers, like Dr. Abrams, was supressed, much like Tesla has been in the field of science. Of course, such practices probably would not work for you, because you have already declared them not to. So, there is no need for going back and forth. This to me, is a subjective experiential journey, and not cold physcal materialistic science, so we won’t approach this subject in an equal light. I am looking for this as something that may resonate with me, on a more spiritual, or pshychic level, you wan’t some geology test of a rock, yet are not prepared to even experiment with the practice. So, again, this is a subject of my interest, obviously not yours, and that’s fine. One who has this as an honest personal interest, will at least embark on a sincere trial, and not just try to dismiss it out right, baseing their objective with a need for hard physical materialist published peer reviewed double blind tests. Best to you. You don’t have to like or agree with what some others do.
Well you have officially entered ignorant quackery in my book. You don’t wish to back up the claims you believe in, and say those who don’t believe such claims are to do our own research. You asked a question, got some answers and you did not like them all or the commentary. Why ask? Why not ask for people to make you feel better about your waste of time and money? Why should I research what you are wasting your money on? If you have done that and you are happy with your results fine? But you are hear trying to pitch or qualify your expenditure and we are supposed to research your supporting clauses when we don’t agree. Tell me how does one prove a negative? How do I prove to you that ghosts don’t exist, or that the timbers from Noah’s ark don’t exist. I can’t say look they are not here in point a so they don’t exist, if I did you would say check point b, and c, and D. So if you are trying to convince others of your belief here it is on your onus to provide supporting literature. Otherwise deal with the fact that many of us think such things are for loons. When you go to court do you ask the other persons lawyer to prove your point for you? Anyway to refocus, when people start saying you look it up and it is all a conspiracy I know we are dealing with quackery. I am afraid my past experience as shown that pattern to hold true, enough so that I can call it a theory now as opposed to a hypothesis. You do know the difference between the two I hope. By the way, if you are happy with your purchase and feel more disposable income just leaping out of your pocket, please post to me so I can sell you some magic beans. Ken
Honestly I prefer anonimity to a million dollars thank you. I like the standards people often use to dismiss psychickness. Lottery or poker. Yeah it’s got to hit the areas of lowest probablity to be valid. Just saying that seems fishy to me.
My original post was if anyone had any experience with the subject(familiar with), and what their comments were. Only one person had some experience, and his comment was not dismissive. As I said in my last post, I believe we are looking at this in two separate manners, I am looking at this as a tool/practice for self reflection, betterment, auto-suggestion/affirmations, greater spiritual tranquility, increased feeling of well being, etc. These are not physical measurings one can find in a double blind peer reviewed materialistic rigorous scientific test. What you are looking for, as it seems to me, to be some end result that would fit the need or desire of such tests. My objective in this, does not. Now, if I was to try to wish myself 7ft tall using this, I think it unlikely to succeed. But using such practices to help me in the stated areas I mentioned, I believe it could be effective, just as other so-called alternative therapies can be, such as meditation. So, it seems to me, our disconnect, is we are approaching this in two different ways. I am not looking for some hard scientific testing to show me some geological survey or ore. I am looking for resonance with mental energies for greater balance and calmness, and insight. It’s as if we are somewhat arguing/debating(I don’t know, disagreeing) over two different things.
It is all new age hippie crap. Sorry that is all there is to it. But right now I am shooting mind bullets at all of you so tell me if you feel them. Ken
The hell with magic beans, I’ll sell you a charm that will protect you from dinosaurs.
It’s fine if you don’t believe in a spiritual, or etheral realm, or mental energies.
My experience is such things are junk. But have fun, seriously if you don’t like the potential negative responses to a question, and for that matter the random ones, why post them on a forum not dedicated to the topic at hand? You are just asking for the plethora of mixed response possible. If you want hand holding of your ideals go post on a forum with everyone who drank that kool aid. By the way if a pencil just fell of your desk that was my telekinesis in action, prove me wrong! Ken
Ok let me tell you about mental energies, they are crap to. It is nothing more than psychosematics. That goes for chi, and all that stuff. I almost give hara more credit as to when it focuses on manipulation of the center of gravity as that is a concept that truly can help one generate physical force. You are not special. You have no secret magic powers. If this FACT keeps you from having an enjoyable day, then imagine you do anyway, the results will be the same. Ken
Well, you are right, in that I probably should not have posted about it at all, I figured I’d get some dismissive comments, but I was hoping to get some from others that may have had some real experience with the subject, and not just negative dismissals from those who have not. I am happy I did get at least one comment that was aware of the subject and had some experience with it.
Well listen, I would like to send you some of my dogs feces. They can be mixed with milk and create a medicine that can cure herpes if drank a quart at at time while clicking your heels together. I have no scientific proof or independent testing to verify these claims but I can tell you this that everyone who has tried it swears by it and those who say negative things haven’t tried it. Because really it takes trying my dogs feces in some milk to KNOW that it is a good or bad idea. Oh and if you don’t need to cure herpes it can also cure: shingles warts welts decapitation inquisitors Guantanimo detainment sex change complications sex change reversal sex changes homophobia homosexuality sinning crabs crab apples crabby attitudes lazy eye lazy in-laws tax complications death lynch mobs lynchings Marilyn Manson knocking on your door deployed air bags sagging breasts over active bladder missing bladder when you run out of depends when you have the runs when the gerbil gets stuck and last but not least your excess money problems Ken
This is the problem I see here, and I don’t think I am seeing it wrong. For some reason, not sure why, but you are obviously feeling, not sure how to word it, threatened maybe, about the subject of mental energies, and someone’s interest in exploring it. It’s kinda weird. You have said you don’t believe in such things, it’s like voodoo to you, and that’s fine. I don’t personally care what you believe in, if it’s Jesus rising from the grave, or nothing at all. Your choice in how you precieve existence does not affect me, yet it seems mine does to you. You just want to put down and ridicule these topics of a non-material energy. I don’t mean to be a jerk, or be personal, but I just don’t get why someone’s personal interest in alternative spiritual therapies is having such a negative effect on you? It’s just a curious observation. Maybe you really deep inside do think there could be something to all this, but your materialistic so-called rational mind is fighting it, so you have an internal conflict going on, so you rail on about me expressing my interests. Nothing personal, I’m sure you’re a decent guy, but you seem over the the top about this in a nevative way, more than even the most die hard Voodoo believer.
Threatened no, evangelical yes, maybe, but not in a christian sense. See the thing is such things are predatory products. It is preying on peoples weaknesses and irrational desires in a desperate attempt to placate or build a super inflated self image. It preys on weak people and knows it. That is just the way the business model works and why such things go in and out as fads. Do you know why Houdini started debunking spiritualists, not just because his magic background made him more able to spot the “tricks”. His mother had died and he saw it as hurtful those that claimed to put people in touch with loved ones just to make a buck. The funny thing is Penn and Teller’s TV show BS is an homage to just that and created for many of the same reason. It is just very sick that people prey on others for such things. Yeah for you maybe it is a few bits of entertainment money on this bauble or that, but there are people who get completely sucked in by nothing more than fantasy claims. To me that is disgusting enough to get a rise out of me. That is all. You obviously need some type of personal re-enforcement to invest in such things, trying to fill some missing hole in your life. Let me give you a tip, all you need is you, and again that is a fact, and if you really believe that and that doesn’t make you feel more complete, then nothing you will ever be able to purchase will. Ken
I generally agree with that. It depends on the individual and how they approach it. I do believe it is all from within, though I don’t dismiss the positive use of tools, it is your own “power” that is “activating” such things. Sure, people can get suckered, but that doesn’t mean everyone does, and every alternative view is bunk.
Well I am not going to start using such new age language. Things work because we want them to work in such things. Which makes whatever it is really moot. We start filling in the blanks with our hearts and minds, and much like that can be said about the early religions. Still you are wasting your money on New Age Phooey and any old placebo affect would have the same results. That is why the company selling it has never themselves sponsored such testing. I mean if you sell a product that you really know and believe makes such things happen, why wouldn’t you commision such proofs. There is a reason pharma companies pay big bucks for Clinical trials. Ken
I don’t fully agree with that. I believe devices can be tools to help one in mental clarity and concentration, and other areas of self-betterment. I do think if one was to use some device to “wish” some outrageous meterial manifestation like a lost treasure of gold bars, then that might enter into the ridiculous. But my point is that it’s not all hokum, if one approaches it in a sensible manner. And again, I personally would not compare such psychic endeavors to materialistic tests. Like I would not put whole coffee beans on a psi-driven machine and “wish” it to be ground, and compare that with putting whole beans in a coffee grinder, and wonder which one will work best.
If it is not all hokum, then someone would have conducted tests to prove as much, or be in the process. Heck someone should call Mythbuster’s while we are at it. If I had a test that proved the potent healing effects of my dog’s feces I would surely generate even more business with such evidence. So I should do it. But I haven’t because the real reason people are naysayers is they are racist. Yes my dog is black, and a rottie. So they are anti-German as well. It is all a conspiracy, please try a big jug of my dogs feces in milk and you be the judge. The first batch is only $29.99 plus S&H. We accept Paypal for our Poop, Pal. Ken
Well, I’m not really a big believer of this stuff, but I have to say that many of the comments made here have been very childish. Why do people have to attack Tom for something he had interest in? If you don’t believe in it, fine. But why make an ass out of yourself? People like to preach about having free will this and free will that and how people should be left to do as they please (you know who you are), so when someone wants to try something that interest them, all you folks do is bash him. That’s pretty silly, and well I guess it’s hypocritical as well.
I don’t have any particular problems with people having interest in things that are “out there”; I know I myself am very much interested in neural networks and artificial intelligence. Nobody can show me a working AI (apart from the very coarsest definitions of the word) and nobody can assure me that it is actually possible to build such a system. But I am interested in the matters. What I have a problem is people selling bunch of shiny baubles or a pile of resistors and blinking lights as medical tool, or as something that will make you better somehow. Same goes for people who WANT them to work, and hence buy into the scam. Make an informed decicion, don’t just listen to the sales pitch, please. I’ve seen some of these things for sale, and the prices are extraorbitant at best, for the value of materials. Claims that things have been prepared in a psychic or psionic or whatever way in order to explain the costs is the same as me selling glasses of tap water as a cure for [pick your ailment] for 40$ a pop. I can see the drive some people might have to seek out alternative medicine / engines for the betterment of personal life. After all, once modern science and the community is exhausted, what do we have left? The bone I have to pick is with the scam artists screwing with people who have lost all hope. And when someone pays the asking price, they are enabling the scam to continue.