Hi, Just curious since we have an international group of members here, if anyone is familiar with Radionics? I read it’s fairly well recieved in the UK, and Germany. I have read bits online, and I do believe in subtle energies, and the premise of it all. I recently bought 2 machines to experiment with, they haven’t arrived yet. I am pretty excited to see what I can do with them, as there are many areas in my life, physical, and mental, that I’d like to work on.
I have no idea what radionics means, but I used to deal with a company with radionics in ti’s name. They had some kind of government contract and the man I dealt with carried a model 1911 45 pistol.
Like most things pseudoscience, the results are tainted by the observers in most cases and the merit of it to the patient are more based on psychosomatic effects. Ken
From what I have read, the people who have actually experimented with this, claim to have real results. The people critical of it, have never even tried it. I don’t want this thread to be a debate, by people who have never given it a real open minded trial, as that leads to nowhere. I have 2 machines on their way to me, and I am open minded, and will give it an honest effort, utilizing it the best I gather, for specific things I want to affect. I’ll report back when this occurs. I was curious if anyone had any actual experience with it themselves.
I will be happy to read a research paper on it where the scientific method was applied to it. Ken
Hi tom yes i have built a radionics machine about 10 years ago. As to do they work or not i’m not sure. Maybe they do but it’s like this if you heard a voice in your head would you broadcast it? People would think you were mad. That gives you the upper hand as no one really believes in it. Good luck hope you find what you are looking for.
Thanks pfaber. It seems so many things can be done with these, and so many different models for different purposes. The basic idea of mind power, I do believe, and using a schematic for tageted thought projection, does make sense to me. I think though, the proof is in the pudding, and being a psychotronic/psionic experiment, I’d think it’s affects may not be easily measured as the materialistic sciences are concerened, so we are entering the metaphysical area, it seems. It’s very interesting to me, and I want to approach it with an open mind, and I think one doesn’t really know, if such things work for them, unless they actually give it an honest trial, sort of like people who use crystals, or other alternative healing methods.
People will find the answers they want in the things they want to find the answers in. Our brain has a way of filling in the blanks for us to make us happy like that. You do create your reality. Ken
@tom502: “so many different models for different purposes” To maximize income from the gullible I fear.
Brad, I don’t know. Have you used any? But those that use them, all say they work. Though I am thinking these are more personal tools, and not like a coffee maker, more like psychicly driven machines. I haven’t found anyone say, I tried such and such, and found it to not work. Of course what ones uses them for would vary. I want to use it for personal betterment, and such things may not be easily measured in an objective way.
Most people hate to admit some crazy thing they spent a ton of money on didn’t work. Ken
I have no idea what radionics is. That won’t stop me from making some comments, which could be completely off base. One thing I really always find hilarious is the dogma of rationalism and it’s general assercian that anything occultish in anyway is definatly hogwash (I don’t mind nearly definatly so much). As if everything taken for granted was not at one time “occult” hell people used to think eating a plant and not being as sick anymore was magic. From what I can gather it’s some sort of brain tonic for lack of a better term. One thing we do know is that the human mind is pretty amazing and capable of a lot more then it’s usaly used for or at least noticed being used for. What people consider to be the potential I’am talking about ranges a lot from the extrodianary but relativily mundane like really awesome memory to the far out like I can read your mind. With either of these things not only would convinceing someone that something will really help can certainly have a strong effect. Ginko anyone? Then again how much do we know about the brain? I guess I’am saying I think it will work to some extent if it’s really a function of the “pyhsics” of the machine or if it’s a placebo (remember kiddies placebos don’t make you think they are working, they do work but it’s not their fault that they work). So even though I doubt it will happen I hope you start levitating around and end your posts with I typed this with my mind and no computer. Oh and devilock76 people love complaining about the crazy things they spent a ton of money on that didn’t work. See it all the time. My favorites are when someone complains that their product only worked as advertised and didn’t have magical powers. That’s a favorite of mine.
Tom you will have to keep us updated as to how you get on. The one i built was from a book called psychic power by a guy called cosimano. The one i made had a series of potentiameters and a scratch plate. Only cost a couple of quid to make. The guy who wrote the book goes on about psychic warfare and the like. Who knows what can of worms you might open.
bob, I agree with that. and pfab, I have read some of his material and looked at his schematics. The way I am seeing it, these machines, either machanical, electric, or symbolic, and standalone, do not so much do anything themselves, but work as a center of attention for thought/intent concentration, with a desired target and aimed results. I was reading about the Hieronymous Machine, and how it got a patent, and had to be demonstrated to actually work, then later, another researcher, his name escapes me, found the non externally powered circuit schematic of it worked just as well also. So, if this is so, it is the actual mind power and energies of everthing that is powering these devices. I am still a total noob about this, but this is what I am gathering. I hope my 2 machines I bought arrive tomorrow. maybe Monday.
Yeah but not anything they were told not to buy before hand by others, to avoid the I told you so comments. Ken
All I say is this, if there was someone who was a real mind reader then they would have already made a killing in poker. Just like if there was a real psychic they would have already gotten all the winning lottery tickets they could. Ken
As a man of science, I’m going to say this much: As a device for centering your attention (eg. meditating) on improving yourself, they MIGHT work. This is similar in effect to self-hypnosis of sorts, where you become what you believe you are. This I do not refute as a working theory. But making a machine, that works on brain power to “remotely” affect someone else (as is the goal of radionics, according to wikipedia), is utter hogwash as it is. You yourself said, if it is difficult (read: not possible) to measure results by modern science, then why would a machine (that inheritently is modern science) do anything? I just don’t see that happening. As a tool for self-hypnosis, maybe. As a tool for affecting someone else tho? Chuck it down to coincidence. Just think how many failures it takes to produce one positive. You’ll get the idea. Unfortunately, most of the so-called New Age - things are just made to rip off gullible people. The rest that aren’t, are based on misguided notions and misunderstood facts. I just hope you didn’t waste too much money on your Deus Machinae… Think of all the snuff you are missing because you bought those things 
I disagree, because the machines have been proven to work, as the Hieronymous Machine was, and for the las 100 or so years, it has it’s proponents. As well as the government have been doing research on psionics and psychotronics. People gounded in physical material science may not want to accept these things, much like people in the past could not accept what we are used to today in term of what we call science, but that doesn’t mean it’s just not true. It’s just not fully understood and developed to be of common usage at this time. But it’s easy for people to be naysayers and pessimists, especially when it’s a field that one does not have a personal interest in, and no inquirey to explore such areas themselves. As a noob with all this myself, I don’t want to dismiss and shut my mind off of things without knowing, Things like psychic power have been shown to be real. True, for the general populace, it’s strange, but that doesn’t mean it’s invalid. But, I don’t want to get into debates here, because, I am new to this, and have only read some history and theoretical aspects of it. pfab is the only one here who has had some experience, and he has not outright dismissed it all.
Been shown to be real? Got a scientific study that has empirical data? As I recall no spiritualist was ever able to claim Houdini’s prize. Been proven to work? Ok show me a scientific journal with empirical data. When you say just because you understand it or just because it is not the physical world but it is still science what you are really entering into is pseudo science and for that matter religion. How about this is prayer healthy? The answer is yes. Now how about the why, is it because God is coming into you and making things better, or is it because of the meditative focus and the perceived well being. We can measure the possible effect, but we cannot measure the causality. So to not offend the religious or the scientific could we really make a ruling there. We can have hypothesis, maybe even a theory, but not scientific fact. Oh and whatever study you publish better have used control groups to monitor placebo effects. I think I will summarize with this quote: “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” - Han Solo, Star Wars Ken
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