Ha! British and a birther! sorry mate did not mean to point fingers but having lived through fda possible ban fad here in the states. now facing it with Pact, a nic user and not a morning person I get a bit snarly. no offense was ment to be given. now that you bring up the presajoke’s non citizenship you have scored major points with me. HI just passed a law saying you can get a live birth document if born on forgien soil…also duel citizenship is only allowed to a select small few countries. when returned from overseas schooling he also did not or was not redeclared a US citizen. First the british empire crumbled now the US, we might get a good laugh out of this 50 years who knows.
Please try and keep threads on topic - The President’s birthplace has nothing to do with e-cigs and will just turn this into a thread where everyone slags each other off again.
What he said…
Yes, good point. Sorry.
This is on the topic of ‘save the children’ and, for right or wrong, here’s my experiences: I grew up in a house with two very heavy smokers, when I was little it was extremely miserable truth be told, the smell of their cigarettes especially in real close-quarters this was very difficult for me and as a result I always had one form or another of ‘chronic bronchitis’ – and incidentally I started my own smoking habit from robbing cigarettes out of my father’s pack (and immediately discovered this amazing thing where other people’s cigarettes no longer bothered me – a real ‘hair of the dog’ situation, if ever!). It wasn’t so much the availability of them, it was the curiosity, which was simply inspired by what I saw them, the adults (which I obviously aspired to be one day myself) doing. If my father (or both of them for that matter mother as well) had kept all cigarettes counted and under lock and key, I’d have found another way to find and try. I was just that kind of kid. We also had his army gun hanging openly on a gun rack and within easy access directly over the couch at all times. That gun only came down off that rack a select very few times a year (to shoot possums and gophers and the like that were getting the better of our industrious but not real big beagle/collie mix dog who in her efforts to protect us and keep our propertly cleared sometimes ‘bit off more than she could chew’), and once a year an annual cleaning of the gun event where my father would take the gun completely apart and lay it on newspaper on our livingroom and I would sit with him and watch, interested in much the same way I might if it had been the inner workings of a motor or some other intricate device ‘taken to pieces.’ During those times the gun was taken out back and given a brief workout on cans and other selected targets and by the time I was 11 allowed to try during these session (I failed at this miserably and invariably got a black eye for just simply not being strong enough and big enough to hold it to me tight like you’re supposed to). This was a big deal to me. I easily could have stood on the couch and reached to take that gun down myself at any time, had it occurred to me to do so. It just never did. It never occurred to my older brother and sister either, including when any of us had really hard times in our schools with being bullied (and of the two of us that were/are quite undersized, one of us was a ‘special ed’ student the other ‘too smart’ and geeky etc and real ‘bully magnets’ if ever). I got that smoking was ‘okay’ or cool or adultish by watching the parental sets I had right in front of me. I also got from these same that a firearm (our family firearm anyway) had very specific purpose and function and was an item to be respected and outside of its limited purpose, was to be left alone. It was a different time and place and I wouldn’t necessarily recommend leaving your gun on an open rack above the couch these days, but maybe its time to review how we raise our kids and where they get their ideas from. PS, I also learned not to put my hands on a hot red stove coil as much by the very experience itself, but also by a few resounding 'reminder; swats on the butt to go with and reinforce the admonitions of 'its hot" and “no!” and just maybe kids might still be more able to learn what to fear and what to respect and just what to stay away from if parents would be allowed to actually parent their kids without governmental influence rendering them so unable.
I can see the point re off topic in an off topic thread but does it not flood the forum with lots of new ot threads some of which will have only a few replys ? A topic will always go off topic it’s human nature like talking just a question realy don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to be off or start sn argument about it lol it’s mearly just a thought 
and re save the children you know u have a valid point their !!
Tried e-cigs. They suck. Give me real tobacco. I don’t like inhaling anti-freeze.
Ah Now that’s a common myth re anti freeze it’s a similer chemical as in anti freeze but not the exact one !! I thought as u did buddy like the myth it taste yuk the liquid that’s is well if it’s pg based it will if vg based it will be v v sweet as vg is sweet tasting
@cstokes4: You’ve probably ingested propylene glycol already. It’s used in food production and toothpaste. It’s also used in the manufacture of snus.
It’s a bit different when it goes in my lungs compared to my stomach. I think your situation is a testament to that, no?
meh. They’re not any good, but it’s not because they’re anti-freeze. They are not antifreeze, but propylene glycol – not anti-freeze. If you’re really hung up on that, despte some studies that indicates propylene glycol is even safe for lung patients, then there is glycerine based ‘smoke fluid’ that is available. But I still choose snuff as a preference. Even many asthma medications are delivered via propylene glycol. It just isn’t very dangerous. For me, I just couldn’t maintain a good blood nicotine level with e-cigs. It would either fade too quickly, or ramp up to fast, but found it nearly impossible without constantly dragging on a 7-11mg fluid, nearly constantly while awake. Higher gave me OD’s and lower caused me to bottom out too quickly when I took a break. Snuff (and snus) gives me a much more manageable level, which is much more enjoyable than a patch, or e-cig, or anything else I’ve tried.
They just taste blech to me. No nic hit at all. The idea of inhaling propylene glycol, glycerine, whatever, does not appeal to me. I’ll stick with snuff.
I could probably honestly get away with an e-cig with zero nicotine e-liquid (especially if somebody swapped my e-juice to a zero level of it and didn’t tell me!) I was really feeling tormented by cigarette cravings when I tried to quit with just the e-cig (and was one who took a lot of ribbing and crude remarks on an e-cig forum, being called a ‘junkie’ and being accused of looking for a buzz etc until most of those people finally figured out that hey, duh, we’re really not getting much nicotine from this). An e-cig is really good for one thing as I see it, and that’s if you get the old urge to physically literally smoke to have a cigarette in your hand, inhale and exhale something visible and see a red tip at the end of it all. I have been able to ward off *some* cigarette smoking by taking a good sniff of something like Rooster or another scotch/toast and then using the e-cig while I wait the maybe minute or two it might take for the snuff to get into me, this way I can trick myself into thinking the smell in my nose was from a realty terrific cigarette (and I have a theory that somehow the mist rolling out of my nose once I finally figured out how to exhale the mist/‘smoke’ from an e-cig out my nose since its not the same as with a real cigarette) somehow just maybe augments or makes the snuff in my nose hit me just that much better. I think they’re really interesting (especially my little one that really is the same shape and size as a real cigarette and I swear gives as much mist for me as the bigger clunkier sworn by models), one hell of a gadget and I was really really into them for a while (I don’t even want to think about or try to tally up how much money I spent on this and I still don’t have all the required supplies I really should have if I wanted to really keep on pursuing it) but honestly, I’m probably better off in the long run to just not use the e-cig so much since it probably ends up just reinforcing the whole ‘I need a cigarette’ thing. (and they are a real pain in the ass to maintain, especially the neato little model what with having to constantly refill its cartridge and monitor its atomizer etc etc).
Propylene glycol, as well as glycerine is used as a ‘casing’ for both US cigarettes and for world-wide pipe tobacco. If you’ve ever inhaled a cigarette, you’ve probably inhaled vaporized propylene glycol. It’s just that the tobacco companies in the US were never obliged to let you know. In fact, I use PG in my snuff humidor because it maintains the humidity of my snuff as well as it does for any tobacco. PG isn’t your enemy. IMHO, it’s burnt tobacco, or any tobacco that’s had ample opportunity to decay in an anaerobic environment. I agree. E-cigs suck. But not because they’re dangerous. They just fail to deliver the goods as effectively as much more proven methods. Like sweet, sweet snuff.
@cstokes; My ‘‘situation’’ was not caused by e-cigs. I have my own theories on that which are obviously not welcome here and I will not debate them. What I will say is that PG has not exacerbated my condition in any way. In fact, many people in my ‘‘situation’’ use e-cigs and have noted a small improvement in their condition.
That’s not what I meant. What I meant is that when things go in your lungs that are not ideal, problems can arise, i.e. snuff, PG, smoke, tar, dust, whatever. I understand that PG is considered harmless. I simply don’t care for it.
@midnightnosesuk, I have seen references to ‘cigarettes that had asthma medication’ in them and I have always wondered about those and just what the ‘asthma medication’ they included are. There’s also "lobelia’ that apparently if smoked can actually help with lung problems. My point in saying this is we just never know, maybe just the act of not actually smoking actual cigarettes anymore is what’s helping you, or maybe there’s a mystery benefit even to be had in the ingredients of what you’re doing now. We just never know and its not like the powers that be (if even they know) would ever come out and say so even if they do know (since to do so would clearly work against their whole scheme, whatever the whole scheme is, its quite clear that at least part of it is keeping healthier things on the hush and propagating that which makes them money at all costs, including cost to our health).
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@Toffee: Edited. I ask myself that question everyday. Usually when I log on here.
Gee, two edited off posts immediately following mine… what a way to make a person feel a bit paranoid 