Hi All hope ur all well , I have had a bad end and start to this year . Family passing away we also had to move living in swindon Wiltshire now so I can look after my dad , I’m setteled in my new house now and I’m trying to catch up on threads here lol ,oh to the guy who sent me the Spanish jewel can u inbox me so I can get ur snuff delived it has not left my snuf box draw lol it came to my address not urs but still sealed as new waitin for u and Roderick I hope ur well and to everyone else here good to see u all still snuffing away ! It’s good to be back here I tried the electronic cigs for a day or so my feeling is they will slowly be banned due to their being no controll or knowlage as to how much nicotine u are taking in per drag ? Also it’s to easy to get the liquid in ur mouth which made me dizzy and puke od I think but still I can see how they work just to many things can go wrong with them in my opinion ! What do u think about them ?
I’ve never used one, but from what I’ve read the attys burn out pretty regularly. That would make them a pain to me. There are too many more natural and convenient nicotine delivery systems like snuff, cigars, pipes and snus.(all of which I use)
Nice to see you back and I hope things continue to improve for you and the family. Thankfully its just snuff for me these days so not tried an e-cig, I don’t think I will either after what you say!
Hullo dave I’ve been using e-cigs for right at a year now. They are indeed fiddly things at best but I persevered at the outset and learned how to get the best performance I could from them. I still use one on a daily basis for fun. Now, if I had been introduced to either snuff or snus first, I probably would not have bothered with the e-cig. As it is, the e-cig put me on the road to going smokeless, bumpy for sure but on the road. Snus paved that road and snuff has added the perfect scenery!
Yes I think that all the ecig companys in my opinion have a limited time to make their money due to bans the FDA are on their case and I can’t see them passing any tests ! For non users ecigs contain a battery an atomisor and nicotine cart … The carts come in many strenths up to 36mg wow eh ! Now the the first problem with them is safty I mean 36mg Juce in a kids hands equLs death within 1hour an adult would need about 1 cart also to kill and death in an adult would happen within 4hours …many forums have posts from people worried about od on nicotine posts about breathing problems or reactions to vg or pg veg glycorine . I my reason for trying them was just curious u guess which has made me wonder if anyone here has used them and their thoughts on them … Is the uk nxt to ban them ? Maryland USA is banning them now …
I’ve definatly wondered about the saftey of them for sure. From what I understand is that Hookas also vaporize the nicotine. I’ve read studies on hooka vaping that indicate that the rates of ephaysma and other lung ailments are much lower in long time hooka smokers. However lung cancer and heart and ciculartory diseases seems higher. Like as if nicotine should not be aborbed through the longs.
Ive given up using the hookah. The thing that concerned me was that you literally breathe it in for all your worth. Now its exclusively snuff for me and the odd smoke is getting to be months apart, and then its down to some stupid trigger rather than actually wanting one, I just feel so much better without any smoke thanks to good ol snuff.
I’ll hit a hooka every once in a while. I have a few friends that own hookas (none of them smoke it often, usaly only when drinking a little bit too).
Snuffster, just to be clear, one does not have to take huge deep inhales from a hookah to get the effect of the nicotine. I have smoked from a hookah for a few years now (a couple times per week). You can get a good nicotine buzz from even short inhales.
which seems far worse.
@davec32_"The carts come in many strenths up to 36mg wow eh ! Now the the first problem with them is safty I mean 36mg Juce in a kids hands equLs death within 1hour an adult would need about 1 cart also to kill and death in an adult would happen within 4hours "_Now that is some kind of a scary statement no doubt! Would you be able to provide a citation for those numbers? Thank you
I use a e-cig and have been for about 6 months now. I gave up on the small ones that look like a smoke and got myself a mod. It is pretty darn reliable, but for me snuff is what is really helping me quit smoking. I find myself using the e-cig less often, mostly when I am sitting home relaxing, but the snuff, I use that all day and have not had cravings for cigarettes since I started using snuff. As for the argument that liquid will kill the children, I can only say that there are a lot of things in the world that can kill children. Most prescription drugs, many over the counter drugs, things we clean our homes with, things we put into our car engines, sheesh children even fall into mop buckets and die, wading pools, bathtubs, they fall off swing sets, they run into the street and get hit by cars…if we ban or try and put strick control on everything to save the children we will all be walking around wrapped in bubble wrap. I raised two children in a home full of firearms, cigarettes, cigars, household cleaners, bug killer, rat poison and over the counter drugs and both survived. I just taught them what they could and could not touch and locked things away so they could not get at them. Pretty simple, would be nice if the world would just do this with their children and stop banning everything.
Sure buddy il copy and paste some info proof on my figures above they are correct I know that much …I’m on my iPhone so can’t do it just yet look at toxic poison levels of nicotine (google it ) that’s a good place to see what I’m saying is right or just google how much nicotine will kill a child /adult in what tine but I think u will find my statment is bang on …,ok I see ur point re bringing up children in s house full of guns but ur ment to keep them locked away by law !! At the moment their is no law on ecigs or the liquid which makes them dangerous and unknown …Philip moris has been designing ecigs for some time now …question is why has Philip Morris not released them yet ??? It’s a good argument re tobacco and chemist not wanting ecigs due to loss of money and I’m sure the FDA are in someways payed of or swayed one way or another but the question still remains about their safty if a kid gets hold of cigs it’s not going to kill them same with snuff but ecigs it can …,again I know bleech is dangerous to kids but u don’t hold 25 mini bottled if it in the house ,car bedrooms do u plus bleech will taste yuk but vg is v v v sweet tasting kids would love it !!!
… as most cigarette smokers know only too well. A smoker becomes accustomed to having a certain level of nicotine, the most addictive substance in tobacco products, present in their system. However, it is good to know that as irresistible as it may be, nicotine, unlike some of the 4000+ ingredients like tar and carbon monoxide present in tobacco cigarettes, is not known to be carcinogenic. This is why more and more people are turning to e-cigs as an alternative to cigarette smoking and a pleasurable way to enjoy their nicotine without all the harmful chemicals in tobacco. If you feel you have Nicotine Dependence Disease and would like some help and advice, please contact your GP or NHS Smokefree. In the meantime, please remember that… Nicotine is a toxic substance which, when taken in sufficient amounts, can be fatal. Nicotine in any form should not be used by children, people with high blood pressure, anyone with a heart condition or pregnant women. Just a small amount of nicotine could be enough to kill a child or family pet. For this reason, nicotine patches, gums , e liquid or any product that contains nicotine must never be left within their reach and should ideally be kept in a lockable box. Nicotine tolerance varies greatly from person to person, but a lethal dose of nicotine for adults is estimated to be between 30 and 60mg. For a child, a lethal dose is considered to be just 10mg of nicotine! E liquid, the ‘fuel’ for e-cigs, is available in small bottles with nicotine concentrations of 0mg (nicotine free), 11mg, 18mg, 24mg and 36mg or 1.1%, 1.8%, 2.4% and 3.6% respectively. Nicotine concentration may vary slightly depending on the manufacturer, e.g., available in 16mg rather than 18mg bottles. Cartridges pre-filled with liquid are usually available with nicotine content labelled zero (0%), low (1.1%), medium (1.4%) and high (1.8%). Nicotine content in e liquid is usually measured in mgs per ml. For example, 18mg e liquid would contain 18mg of nicotine per 1 ml of liquid. The exception to this is e liquid produced by manufacturer Johnson Creek which is measured in mg per 1.2ml. One average tobacco cigarette contains approximately 1.5mg of nicotine. Feel free to take a ‘wander’ around the e-cigs.co.uk store if you’d like to see our own range of e-cigs and e liquid with or without nicotine.
Toxicity is not an absolute. A substance may be beneficial, even essential, in low doses but fatal in high doses. Nicotine is one such. For the pedants: Nicotine is LD50 which means that 5% solution will kill half the people stupid enough to put it on their skin. Ref: 3 below Nicotine on the skin can kill True Current guidelines show that nicotine concentrations of 4% to 6% absorbed through the skin can be fatal and therefore toxic. Most commercial supplies of nicotine for human consumption are sold at no more than 3.6%. This compares with a strong cigarette having 2.4% and a low nicotine 0.1mg cigarette at 0.65%. Some suppliers of ecigs are selling a 5.4% and supplies in China can reach 8%. Il post proper sums for the 1hour and 4 for adults tomorrow the above are just copy and pastes
Basicaly a child drinks just 1 single small cart of eluquid has about 1 hour to live !!!
Good job Dave, glad to see you here again! I will be sticking with my snuff thank you very much, Those E cigs sound like a royal pain in the arse anyway. Snuff is simple in comparison. I tried a disposable e cig, darn thing made my chest hurt. I would rather Toque than smoke.
The law has nothing whatsoever to do with how I store my guns. I lock them away from children because I am not stupid…I do not require a law to have common sense. Common sense also tells me to store my nicotine juices in a safe place so that my dogs cannot get to them (children are all grown up). Perhaps those without common sense should just drink their nicotine juice and spare the rest of us from all the laws enacted to protect them from themselves.
The thing that kills me with e-cigs is that is quite expensive for something you have no idea how much you’ll use or enjoy. Still cheaper then the patch.
Dave I find your numbers 100% off based and the same scare tactics that have been pushed at us for years. I know for a fact when unless I am a freaking zombie, I mistook my saline spray and grabbed my 36mg nic juice and blasted my nose with it. BURNT like a bitch on fire but hey so does rooster. I think we have got to this point because of the just because you can pump them out does not mean you are a good parent. Live and let live and those who do stupid crap and die well they deserved the Darwin award.
I have vaped straight maoi loaded 48 and 36 no issues. No chest pains.
Mate I smoked up to 3 packs a day of luckys or cheterfields at one point. So ox like abilities aside I toot rooster and eat the bee, snus the all father es kanel los, and smoke a RYO filterless. I drink my coffee black with 2 added shots, a double dram of Isley scotch, my gin and tonics no ice.
Interesting to see different views !!! Can I just ask why bleech and meds have child proof tops ?? They are their not because they think we are stupid or let our kids play with them their on their just in case as accidents do happen ! And as for my numbers they are not as off as u think but again it’s interesting to read everyones thoughts .!!! Ah this Darwin award what is it ??
The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[2][3] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as cocaine, which in mice has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg. It is impossible however to overdose on nicotine through smoking alone (though a person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and/or tobacco smoking at the same time.) [4] [5] Spilling an extremely high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can result in intoxication or even death since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream from dermal contact.[6] ↑ Jump Back A Section
Yep some do But the point I was making was that none of the products are tested and are china certified not uk or USA certified as far as I have learned china will print what u want them to print …say u call them up hold a meeting to make nicotine carts say 500 then u say I want them at a low 6 dose then u ask the question about cosh or u explain it needs to be pure nicotine certified and tested I gustentee a it won’t be tested and b it will prob contain other stuff and was prob made in someones bedroom but they will still give u documents to say it’s all been made under strict conditions and tested …are the USA not banning food import from china for the same thing ?? Intellicig are the only maker of ecigs that make their own nicotine in a lab on machester uni and their batterys an atomisors still come from china so i bet Intellicig will prob last the longest but in my own opinion it’s a make ur money quick and run business befor it’s to late ! Others will disagree with me here but everyone has a right to their own opinion right or wrong
Dave this juice is not sweet tasting and kids will get into almost anything. I know I had some wild rides growing up. I understand where you are coming from but do not understand the alarmist anti stance. Yes Intellicig produces amazing juices. yes our beloved vitiman n is toxic,but honestly so are a bunch of other things we use. I could see a child oding on a tin of nummy scented snuff that smells oh like peppermint vs. drinking a bottle. No if a kidlet drank a 1ml bottle of 50mg nic juice the death would be in less than an hour…hell if an adult could choke down 50mg nice juice the death would be in minutes a most vile horrible farty and painful death.
Hey buddy i don’t have an anti stance or alarmist stance just discussing it and interested in everyones views realy I myself won’t use them and was just interested on everyones thoughts on them don’t get me wrong if they help people quit great I’m. Just worried about the safty of them buddy , I Also see ur point !
Most probably!
rmidnightmosesuk hmmmm you may have something their … its interesting or is that what they want us to think ? will it increase sales if a panic starts ?? thats a sure fire way for the goverment to make a quick buck on tax …
Conspiracy theorys about this kinda thing would be interesting to work out , who , why , what , how … all thoughts on this would make an interesting read for all !!!
i still wonder about this … Obama is a citizen of Indonesia, or that because he had dual citizenship at birth (British and American), he is not a natural born citizen of the United States, which is a requirement to be President of the United States under Article Two of the United States Constitution. so if this is the case he can sign what he wants it will be worth nothing lol which is the right one ?
Ha! British and a birther! sorry mate did not mean to point fingers but having lived through fda possible ban fad here in the states. now facing it with Pact, a nic user and not a morning person I get a bit snarly. no offense was ment to be given. now that you bring up the presajoke’s non citizenship you have scored major points with me. HI just passed a law saying you can get a live birth document if born on forgien soil…also duel citizenship is only allowed to a select small few countries. when returned from overseas schooling he also did not or was not redeclared a US citizen. First the british empire crumbled now the US, we might get a good laugh out of this 50 years who knows.
Please try and keep threads on topic - The President’s birthplace has nothing to do with e-cigs and will just turn this into a thread where everyone slags each other off again.
What he said…
This is on the topic of ‘save the children’ and, for right or wrong, here’s my experiences: I grew up in a house with two very heavy smokers, when I was little it was extremely miserable truth be told, the smell of their cigarettes especially in real close-quarters this was very difficult for me and as a result I always had one form or another of ‘chronic bronchitis’ – and incidentally I started my own smoking habit from robbing cigarettes out of my father’s pack (and immediately discovered this amazing thing where other people’s cigarettes no longer bothered me – a real ‘hair of the dog’ situation, if ever!). It wasn’t so much the availability of them, it was the curiosity, which was simply inspired by what I saw them, the adults (which I obviously aspired to be one day myself) doing. If my father (or both of them for that matter mother as well) had kept all cigarettes counted and under lock and key, I’d have found another way to find and try. I was just that kind of kid. We also had his army gun hanging openly on a gun rack and within easy access directly over the couch at all times. That gun only came down off that rack a select very few times a year (to shoot possums and gophers and the like that were getting the better of our industrious but not real big beagle/collie mix dog who in her efforts to protect us and keep our propertly cleared sometimes ‘bit off more than she could chew’), and once a year an annual cleaning of the gun event where my father would take the gun completely apart and lay it on newspaper on our livingroom and I would sit with him and watch, interested in much the same way I might if it had been the inner workings of a motor or some other intricate device ‘taken to pieces.’ During those times the gun was taken out back and given a brief workout on cans and other selected targets and by the time I was 11 allowed to try during these session (I failed at this miserably and invariably got a black eye for just simply not being strong enough and big enough to hold it to me tight like you’re supposed to). This was a big deal to me. I easily could have stood on the couch and reached to take that gun down myself at any time, had it occurred to me to do so. It just never did. It never occurred to my older brother and sister either, including when any of us had really hard times in our schools with being bullied (and of the two of us that were/are quite undersized, one of us was a ‘special ed’ student the other ‘too smart’ and geeky etc and real ‘bully magnets’ if ever). I got that smoking was ‘okay’ or cool or adultish by watching the parental sets I had right in front of me. I also got from these same that a firearm (our family firearm anyway) had very specific purpose and function and was an item to be respected and outside of its limited purpose, was to be left alone. It was a different time and place and I wouldn’t necessarily recommend leaving your gun on an open rack above the couch these days, but maybe its time to review how we raise our kids and where they get their ideas from. PS, I also learned not to put my hands on a hot red stove coil as much by the very experience itself, but also by a few resounding 'reminder; swats on the butt to go with and reinforce the admonitions of 'its hot" and “no!” and just maybe kids might still be more able to learn what to fear and what to respect and just what to stay away from if parents would be allowed to actually parent their kids without governmental influence rendering them so unable.
I can see the point re off topic in an off topic thread but does it not flood the forum with lots of new ot threads some of which will have only a few replys ? A topic will always go off topic it’s human nature like talking just a question realy don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to be off or start sn argument about it lol it’s mearly just a thought and re save the children you know u have a valid point their !!
Tried e-cigs. They suck. Give me real tobacco. I don’t like inhaling anti-freeze.
Ah Now that’s a common myth re anti freeze it’s a similer chemical as in anti freeze but not the exact one !! I thought as u did buddy like the myth it taste yuk the liquid that’s is well if it’s pg based it will if vg based it will be v v sweet as vg is sweet tasting
It’s a bit different when it goes in my lungs compared to my stomach. I think your situation is a testament to that, no?
meh. They’re not any good, but it’s not because they’re anti-freeze. They are not antifreeze, but propylene glycol – not anti-freeze. If you’re really hung up on that, despte some studies that indicates propylene glycol is even safe for lung patients, then there is glycerine based ‘smoke fluid’ that is available. But I still choose snuff as a preference. Even many asthma medications are delivered via propylene glycol. It just isn’t very dangerous. For me, I just couldn’t maintain a good blood nicotine level with e-cigs. It would either fade too quickly, or ramp up to fast, but found it nearly impossible without constantly dragging on a 7-11mg fluid, nearly constantly while awake. Higher gave me OD’s and lower caused me to bottom out too quickly when I took a break. Snuff (and snus) gives me a much more manageable level, which is much more enjoyable than a patch, or e-cig, or anything else I’ve tried.
They just taste blech to me. No nic hit at all. The idea of inhaling propylene glycol, glycerine, whatever, does not appeal to me. I’ll stick with snuff.
I could probably honestly get away with an e-cig with zero nicotine e-liquid (especially if somebody swapped my e-juice to a zero level of it and didn’t tell me!) I was really feeling tormented by cigarette cravings when I tried to quit with just the e-cig (and was one who took a lot of ribbing and crude remarks on an e-cig forum, being called a ‘junkie’ and being accused of looking for a buzz etc until most of those people finally figured out that hey, duh, we’re really not getting much nicotine from this). An e-cig is really good for one thing as I see it, and that’s if you get the old urge to physically literally smoke to have a cigarette in your hand, inhale and exhale something visible and see a red tip at the end of it all. I have been able to ward off *some* cigarette smoking by taking a good sniff of something like Rooster or another scotch/toast and then using the e-cig while I wait the maybe minute or two it might take for the snuff to get into me, this way I can trick myself into thinking the smell in my nose was from a realty terrific cigarette (and I have a theory that somehow the mist rolling out of my nose once I finally figured out how to exhale the mist/‘smoke’ from an e-cig out my nose since its not the same as with a real cigarette) somehow just maybe augments or makes the snuff in my nose hit me just that much better. I think they’re really interesting (especially my little one that really is the same shape and size as a real cigarette and I swear gives as much mist for me as the bigger clunkier sworn by models), one hell of a gadget and I was really really into them for a while (I don’t even want to think about or try to tally up how much money I spent on this and I still don’t have all the required supplies I really should have if I wanted to really keep on pursuing it) but honestly, I’m probably better off in the long run to just not use the e-cig so much since it probably ends up just reinforcing the whole ‘I need a cigarette’ thing. (and they are a real pain in the ass to maintain, especially the neato little model what with having to constantly refill its cartridge and monitor its atomizer etc etc).
Propylene glycol, as well as glycerine is used as a ‘casing’ for both US cigarettes and for world-wide pipe tobacco. If you’ve ever inhaled a cigarette, you’ve probably inhaled vaporized propylene glycol. It’s just that the tobacco companies in the US were never obliged to let you know. In fact, I use PG in my snuff humidor because it maintains the humidity of my snuff as well as it does for any tobacco. PG isn’t your enemy. IMHO, it’s burnt tobacco, or any tobacco that’s had ample opportunity to decay in an anaerobic environment. I agree. E-cigs suck. But not because they’re dangerous. They just fail to deliver the goods as effectively as much more proven methods. Like sweet, sweet snuff.
That’s not what I meant. What I meant is that when things go in your lungs that are not ideal, problems can arise, i.e. snuff, PG, smoke, tar, dust, whatever. I understand that PG is considered harmless. I simply don’t care for it.
@midnightnosesuk, I have seen references to ‘cigarettes that had asthma medication’ in them and I have always wondered about those and just what the ‘asthma medication’ they included are. There’s also "lobelia’ that apparently if smoked can actually help with lung problems. My point in saying this is we just never know, maybe just the act of not actually smoking actual cigarettes anymore is what’s helping you, or maybe there’s a mystery benefit even to be had in the ingredients of what you’re doing now. We just never know and its not like the powers that be (if even they know) would ever come out and say so even if they do know (since to do so would clearly work against their whole scheme, whatever the whole scheme is, its quite clear that at least part of it is keeping healthier things on the hush and propagating that which makes them money at all costs, including cost to our health).
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@Toffee: Edited. I ask myself that question everyday. Usually when I log on here.
Gee, two edited off posts immediately following mine… what a way to make a person feel a bit paranoid
Lmao I would feel that also lol
@whistlrr: sorry, it wasn’t anything to do with you - honestly!