Lol I snuff and drink coffee everyday for over 5 years. Some days I even snuff a lot like all day long. What I am saying is to each their own. I am just not gonna promote or praise it to people who dont snuff.
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Snuff-taking in the UK is decreasing despite the Chancellor removing all Customs and Excise duty from tobacco intended for snuff manufacture in 1978. Samuel Gawith is just one manufacturer in a long line of businesses that have folded in my lifetime.
The reason, as I see it, is twofold: Firstly, the collapse of the coal mining industry and secondly and most importantly the persecution of tobacco users. Anyone born in the 1950s or earlier must mourn the traditional bricks and mortar tobacconist shop like Wix in Piccadilly â an absolute mecca for cigar, snuff and pipe tobacco aficionados. But since the start of the 1980s the war has taken its toll. All branches of the House of Bewlay (once found in every large town) have disappeared along with just about every other tobacconist shop. Newsagents which used to stock snuff rarely do so now. In short, the outlets for the purchase of snuff have folded. The only way to buy snuff now is online.
As I wrote in a post in this forum about ten years ago, snuff-taking is a quiet backwater. But this poses a dilemma because a business will only remain active if enough new snuff-takers come on board. On the other hand publicity â particularly that which associates snuff-taking with trendy young people â risks the attention of a nosey busybody who will question it and then make it her sacred mission to eliminate snuff. A huge hike in price would likely be followed by a complete ban using as justification all sorts of spurious evidence affecting health. That this has not occurred yet is simply because snuff is largely unknown relative to cigarettes. It is a quiet backwater and getting quieter all the time.
It looks gloomy: Either a collapse of snuff manufacturing through a dwindling number of users or some meddling Member of Parliament causing its swift and dramatic demise through a Private Membersâ Bill.
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Thatâs an interesting insight.Great point about teenangers using it,that would really piss off the goverment.
Isnât it viewed as a less harmfull way to use tabacco?
Although we all can agree that snuff can use a bit more recognition,it must remain a relative niche.The goverment can ruin it with taxes,yes,but image what big tabacco can do if they get the chance to make some money(i donât even want to think about it).
The fact that I can buy snuff in Romania,a country with zero snuff traditon ,says that it is not dead yet,and it will likely stay with us for a long time.And if i doesnât,we can make our own!
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Itâs a good reason to stock up on your favourites while they are still there, I did the same with pipe tobacco a few years ago and plan on getting a few pounds of my favourites to last me through to old age. Also helps out those snuff manufacturers as well.
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Is that fact? I have been waiting on my order and wondering if stopped
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Recently Iâve seen a Tube video about the increased use of snuff among the members of British Parliament because of the ban of smoke. So I can guess it will take maybe a lot of time before someone could think to ban the snuff in UK (for once, I want to be positive).
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I sincerely hope that you are right. As far as I can recall the following is a list of snuff-makers and/or snuff-blenders that have headed west into the sunset in my lifetime. Some of these businesses were of great age.
P.J Carroll & Co
Fribourg & Treyer
Gallaher Ltd
Samuel Gawith
Illingworthâs
Alfred Preedy & Sons
Singleton & Cole
G. Smith & Sons
J&H Wilson Ltd, Westbrook Mill
Sheffield and Kendal were major centers of English snuff production and now only Sharrow is left. If Sharrow folds up it will take much of the snuff available today with it as it is, I believe, the last major manufacturer in Britain. McCrystalâs and Mullins & Westley have survived but the latter is tiny and is not a snuff manufacturer. Neither is Jaxons.
When the tobacco retail trade collapsed (and before the advent of buying via the internet was possible) manufacturers could not sell their products â there was simply nowhere to buy them from. Formerly, traditional tobacconists such the House of Bewlay stocked most snuffs made by the above companies, bought loose from 2lb tall tins into paper packets by the quarter-ounce or pre-packaged in small bottles or boxes. In the case of snuff, however, it was a double-whammy occasioned by the wholesale closure of coal mines and the loss of a significant customer base.
I remember as a boy going to the Derby at Epsom (no mining there) and seeing in the litter scores of discarded Top Mill and S.P No.1 containers. Amongst the litter today itâs unlikely you would find one. Not a very scientific barometer, perhaps, but indicative of a general decline in the snuff-taking population. Every now and then one reads of an upturn in snuff sales but the overall direction is down.
As for the Parliamentary snuff-box at the entrance to the chamber of the House of Commons it has not, apparently, been touched since 1989. Under the Freedom of Information Act, in a response to a query we read that âMembers do not replenish their own snuff boxes from this one and we are not aware of any Member who has one.â Caroline Lucas wishes it to be removed.
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Some of those former brands are now subbrands (ex Samuel Gawith),and it may look bad but from what i understand snuff usage increased in the past 10-15 years.Internet sales saved nasal snuff in this timeframe and it will help it grow in the future.We have to understand that selling nasal snuff isnât nearly as profitable as,letâs say,ciggaretes.A cig smoker can consume 10-15 grams of tabacco per day with ease and for a snuff taker 3 grams is considered heavy use,right?
The snuff market is very competitive.If it wasnât for snuff exports,UK may have had half the snuff manufacturers it has now.
What about toque?arenât they a new producer which in doing rather fine in the past years?
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Discarded snuff.What a waste.Those were sad times for sure!
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Discarded empty tins of snuff, I assume. And yes, itâs a fairly good indicator. Such method (random public bin inspection) is widely used for estimating the share of smuggled smokes in the market.
Internet sales, unfortunately, are getting more and more complicated. They are doing good job domestically in the UK, and to some extent in Germany (in contrast to the UK, snuff is still a free-range product, widely available there, from tobacconists to corner shops and gas stations all around), but thatâs pretty much all about it. True, itâs still sold to the US-based buyers, but such practice is illicit, and the number of parcels rejected by the US customs are growing each day. Other countries, like Canada or Australia, effectively halter import with huge taxes, or ban cross-border (and) distance sales (i. e. importing and domestic distant sales) of tobacco products altogether, like half of the EU member states. So, itâs challenging, to say the least.
And Toque⌠Let me put it like this - they are drawing their water from the good old Sharrow well. Balances out the numerous discontinued WoS products.
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do you feel like it is shrinking overall?
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Yes. Also noteworthy, Big Tobacco companies are loosing interest in⌠tobacco. The future is nicotine-based and tobacco-free.
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i have to disagree with you.Big Tabacco is pushing heated tabacco hard.anecdotally,i donât have any friends who vape anymore.most of the former vapers either got back to smoking ciggs ,started using heated tabacco or quit all inhaling.thatâs in romania,but it seems that classic vapes are going niche in all europe.disposable vapes are popular with young people,but thatâs more likely to be a phase.
I found some data: Tobacco consumption statistics - Statistics Explained.
It is from 2019,a bit old,but the idea is there.also,nicotine pouches flopped hard in this country,but maybe thatâs only a regional event.
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No, empty containers trampled into the grass.
As mentioned, since January 1978 Tobacco intended for snuff manufacture is not subject to Customs and Excise Duty which is why it remains (if bought by the pound canister) relatively inexpensive. As far as Iâm aware the same applies across the EU. One has to hope that this happy state of affairs is not revoked as your pocket would be severely dented if it is.
I have numerous trade journals from around that time written by tobacco journalists Sonia Roberts and Jacques Cole. The tax situation combined with favourable reports produced jointly by the Addiction Research Unit of Psychiatry and the New Cross Hospital Poisons Unit â not to mention The Lancet â all pointed to a predicated renaissance in snuff-taking. It didnât happen despite an advertising campaign by the likes of Hedges and J&H Wilsons.
Manufacturers of cigarettes donât benefit from the extortionate cost in the UK: the Treasury does. In the UK 80% of that cost is tax. However, globally, cigarette production is still profitable despite the UK tax hikes, and I agree that it is more profitable than snuff.
Iâd say that 3 grams of snuff a day suggests a very moderate user.
Anyway, you asked if snuff-users are dwindling and long-term in Britain (over the last 55 years or so of my snuff career) my humble opinion is that it has - and quite dramatically so.
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Thatâs a Snuff history lesson.I canât believe that snuff taking didnât increase,at least a bit,with all that publicity.
I found that snuff is between a rock and a hard place.It doesnât please cig smokers because the effect is milder and isnât a subtitute for inhaling into the lungs and non smokers generally think that nic is only consumed for addiction which is not necessary the case.But maybe is better that snuff remains a niche activity.
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did you ever found another snuff-taker in the wild?
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Yes, the big transition to tobacco-free mainstream mode will be smooth, just like that from snus to nicotine pouches, featuring quite a few intermediary products. And as you can see, it IS smooth, been ongoing for decades. Current heat-not-burn products still contain tobacco. The Recon* one. Not a tobacco in my books, but vast majority of âsmokersâ do not distinguish, and technically (by industry standards) it is⌠ridiculously enough, tobacco. Smokers even didnât mind the DIET one in their cigarettes previously, lol⌠Next step will be an âupgrade to a healthier, non-tobacco carrier, providing the same satisfactionâ. Cellulose, MCC - you name it.
Snus will go. Most young Swedes already donât distinguish between snus and nicotine pouches. They call both âsnusâ. Language is everything, my friend.
Snuff - the least demanded, least profitable tobacco product - will stay. But weâll witness the inevitable flavour (menthol including, obviously) ban, which will lead to even lesser demand and further business closures.
*Recon(-stituted) tobacco, aka homogenised sheet tobacco, is a paper-like sheet approaching the thickness of tobacco laminae. It is made from tobacco dust, fines, and particles, and from midribs and stems; various additives may be incorporated. In the past, most of these âtobacco by-productsâ were wasted.
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we shall live and see.it seems reasonable to say that if minors wonât create a huge trend out of snuff,we are safe.
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By the way, disposable vapes are very popular in the Baltics, especially among teens. Heat-no-burn, despite aggressive promotion and wide availability, arenât nearly as popular here. Iâve spotted just a few buyers since their advent, and know only one user.
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here in romania disposables are found mainly in high schools.most adults here smoke cigs or smoke heated tabacco.calling heated tabacco tabacco is a blasphemy,as you said.
This country is bonkers.Even cigar or pipe smokers most likely also inhale into their lungs cig smoke.I once smoked a small cigar(cigarillo) with a cig smoker and halfway through the cigarillo,my buddy got up,and lighted a cigarette.BONKERS.i felt so bad.the cigarillo wasnât good?no.The addiction demanded smoke to be inhaled into the lungs and of course,directly into the blood.
That was the moment when i realised that,cig smokers are âsatisfiedâ only by inhaling smoke.i canât believe i was one of them for some time.too bad they are a vast majority in my country.
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