F&T HDT Vs. Irish 22 Nicotine levels

[colubrid]

F&T HDT Vs. Irish 22 . I love both of these snuffs. It’s been 4-5 years since I used snuff daily. I’ve been using other nicotine products during this time. I’ve used nicotine products for 38 years, I have a very high tolerance for nicotine. I would like to buy the largest bulk bag of either. As a former heavy smoker, the more nicotine from these toasts the better. I’ve been concerned I may smoke cigarettes again. Does anyone have an opinion on which is highest in nicotine ? Thanks !!!

[clsmoothie]

Negligible difference in my opinion. Might have to give the edge to 22 – welcome to other opinions on that.

[Demigros]

I would concur with clsmoothie on this. They are both what I would call medium high in my book.

If you are looking for stronger snuffs, there are plenty of options, such as the plain Indian snuffs (Janta Dragon Brand Madras Snuff, Janta Indian Rustica Standard, or New Janta Mail White Horse are all favorites of mine of that type, and hit a “high” to “very high” category for me), or for something different Toque USA Whiskey & Honey (“high”) and the South African ones such as NTSU Black or Taxi Red (“very high” but really only when fresh and reeking with ammonia; they seem to lose their potency rather quickly).

[colubrid]

I screenshot your suggestions for future reference. I have PTSD. I use nicotine compulsively so I have to be careful. I’m using on top of the nicotine pouches I have in my mouth all day. I found a little box of snuffs from years ago that I’ve been using. I have White Elephant, but to strong for all day. Still like the very strong snuff occasionally. I found a 5g tin of Irish 22. That or the HDT is right in the zone I’m looking for. Both give me quick nicotine hits then fade away, allowing me to repeat frequently. The behavior itself is calming for me. In that sense only it’s a bit closer to the way I used to smoke cigarettes. I find the smell of toasts calming as well. Either toast will work well, but if one was known to be a little stronger, I would choose it over the other.

[volunge]

I find #22 a wee bit stronger than HDT.

In terms of strength Madras snuffs I find on a par to tapkirs (aka Indian white snuffs), if not somewhat stronger.

[ALLex]

Although I have only tried F&T High Dry Toast, I believe that the best between F&T HDT and WoS Irish 22 should be Irish 22 because it’s made by WoS, the same brand that produces F&T High Dry Toast, and they wouldn’t sell their best toast under another brand. That’s why, in my opinion, irish 22 should be slightly superior to F&T HDT, from a point of view of WoS company’s vision of how a toast snuff should be. They should theoretically keep the best quality from batches for their own brand. That doesn’t mean that HDT isn’t an awesome toast though, because it is. I believe the differences are very little and slightly detectable to begin with, but I also want to try WoS Irish 22 in the future too.

[colubrid]

I have a similar question, but don’t want to start a new thread. How do the Toque toasts compare in nicotine strength to the the HDT & Irish 22 ? I’m assuming they all use the Toque Natural Toast as a base. I haven’t tried the Natural or any of their flavored toasts yet.
Natural Toast
Lime toast
Toast & Marmalade
Whisky & Honey (Not USA)
Bourbon
Almond Toast

[volunge]

Only tried Natural Toast (out of the listed Toque toasts in the previous post) and found it milder than #22 and HDT. According to S@H alkalinity test results, both #22 and HDT have pH value of 9 and Natural Toast scores 8.5 (higher pH indicates higher nicotine delivery capability). Besides, Natural Toast seemed to me moister and easier to take than 22 and HDT.

[volunge]

Judging by S@H pH datasheet, Lime Toast, W&H, Bourbon, Cheese & Bacon and Almond Toast contain larger amount of alkalizer (pH 9.5) than Irish No.22 and HDT (pH 9), therefore might feel stronger.

Toast & Marmelade and Kentucky Bourbon have pH value of 8.5, just like Natural Toast, but I’m not aware if it’s the same base. If the base is the same, TM and KB can be expected to be on a par to Natural Toast in terms of strength (about medium).

Noteworthy, same pH value indicates equal strength only within a group of snuffs with the same blend of tobaccos (with the same nicotine content) which don’t differ in chemical composition (moisture level including), are of the same grind and same freshness.

A couple of examples. Medium moist, medium grind F&T French Carotte is made from tobaccos with lower nicotine content and despite the rendered very high nicotine delivery capability (pH 10, highly alkalized snuff) it’s not strong at all (there’s little to deliver, to start with). Now fine dry W&H USA blend which contains greater amount of nicotine due to N. rustica component feels strong even with its pH raised merely to 8.5 (the strongest Toque snuff, actually).

[colubrid]

Thanks to everyone. I’ve learned far more than expected. The alkalinity test results are fascinating. I do understand it’s not a nicotine delivery rating, but still helpful. I’ve decided to order both the Irish 22 & F&T HDT in bulk. As well as a few others to sample including Lime Toast, W&H, USA W&H.

[chris_hall_hu]

I have been trying both, they are very similar for me, sometimes I have a preference for one or the other but it switches and I can’t say why.

I am only just starting to investigate the Indian snuff, some of them might be worth looking out if you like these toasts it seems. Janta Rustica Standard pips the post in N for me at least, and is a similar experience technically, the oil added makes it look and feel moister and more substantial but when you take it magically converts to a very light powder and I have to more cautious than with any other snuff, is the only snuff that can make me sneeze and cough if not very careful. The Janta lacks the smokey element but has a unique funky flavour that I like.

Probably sacrilege but I found that on a occasion a 50:50 mix of the Rustica Standard and one of the toasts you mention is very pleasant, and another unique experience.

[volunge]

Not a sacrilege! There are quite a few older threads dedicated to snuff mixes, some of them are rather voluminous. Here’s just one of them for the start, I’ll try to find some more later: Invent your own - MIXING SNUFFS!!!

One of my favourite mixes is a 1:1 blend of Irish No.22 and MG Madras. I would try out your mix right away, if I had the components.

More mixing threads:

Snuff combinations

I am just curious, what are your favorite snuff combinations? I do not mean mixing snuff, but first take one snuff and then the other. Also sometimes referred as layering. For me my golden combination is first SG Kendal Brown Original followed by Toque Violet. I even only rarely use these two snuffs appart from eachother. In fact, if I would only be allowed the have two snuffs, it would be these two! So, what is your favorite combination?

what are you mixing?

Right now I have 1.roughly 50/50 6 photo special - jubilaums prise its like anarkalis 2nd cousin 2. 60/40 grand Cairo - toque vanilla its amazing just like a creamsicle and 3. Snuffstores cafe noir - Samuel gawith hazelnut not sure on the ratios as I just mixed one batch but its prob close to 50/50 I am aware of the toque mix page http://snuffhouse.org/discussion/1137/toque-cocktails#latest But didn’t see an intersnuff mix page

Good snuff-mixes and snuffs that are great for mixing

please post yours! my findings so far for snuffs with specific characters that lend itself to mixing: sweet: strawberry(rhubarb?) - bernards magic moments cherry - poeschl ozona c (a bit of menthol but the sweetest of the ozonas) flowery cherry - samuel gawith celtic talisman, jaxons frosted red, queens special flowery raspberry - jaxons frosted ripple, queens special menthol berry - poeschl alpina, ozona r honey - rosinski stargarder (think propolis, bees wax, bees bread) toffee/creamy/…

Mix Your Snuff!

I was reading some of the reviews on Snuffreviews.com and under F&T someone suggests mixing equal parts of Old Paris and High Dry Toast. I love it! The flavors play off one another and creates a nice taste that I feel is better then the individuals. Been sniffing it all day. A lot of us have a wide variety of snuffs to use for mixing. Please post your favorite combos and concoctions.

Mixing snuff and snuff

Has anybody else tried mixing their dry snuff into their moist snuff? It is really good =) I mixed a little bit of Wow! Coffee Bite into some Copenhagen snuff and not only did it boost the nic level but it made it taste a whole lot better! Has anybody else tried this? I imaging that some american scotches would work good for this to.

Tried any good mixtures of snuff at home?

I’m one of those nuts who can’t wait for winter and the cold weather so I mixed toque Xmas pudding with sharrow chocolate mint to help get me in the mood as it gets colder. At about a 3:1 ratio it’s pretty nice! Wondering if anyone else has come up with some clever stuff they’re proud of, I have some latakia I’m dying to play with in this way.

Snuffs you enjoy Mixing/Blending?

Favorite Snuffs to custom Mix/Blend to sniff? And what are you Mixing/Blending together and using now? I just did a 60/40 blend of these: Paul Gotard • Irish Cream •&• FUBAR • Bohica And lastly next before bed will be a 60/40 blend of: Paul Gotard • ChocoMint •&• FUBAR • Bohica I really enjoy mixing these!

How does one go about mixing snuffs?

This may seem like a daft question, and possibly even the rantings of a madman, but is there a certain procedure to mixing snuffs?

Personal Custom Mixtures

I’m still new to snuff, but think I have found my personal favorite mixture. I have read that mixing snuffs can be sacrilege, but I’ve decided to do it because I like it. The only one I have tried has become my go to all day snuff. I do 6 tsp of White Elephant and 3 tsp of J&H Wilson’s S.P. 1. It’s completely changed my view of snuff. Pure bliss! Anyone else mix snuffs or am I a newbie who’s out of line?

[chris_hall_hu]

Wow, thanks for those links, I think I am going to get hold of some of that Madras you mentioned, based on review looks like I will like it. I have a lot to read now

[Tc2642]

Dragon Madras is excellent too.

[colubrid]

Can somebody compare Togue USA Whiskey & Honey to some of the others mentioned above or some common snuffs. Perhaps the UK Whiskey & Honey. YouTube reviewers seem to be taking considerably more than someone would use if snuffing White Elephant, but then I’m sure it’s not as fine & probably not as dry. I can’t imagine it’s as strong as the Elephant.

[volunge]

No, it’s not as strong, fine and alkaline as White Elephant, yet it is very satisfying in terms of nicotine. If WE is your staple snuff, you would need to increase your pinch a bit, or take several pinches in one go with W&H USA. And a word of warning, this snuff smells very sweet!

Talking about the strength, again, it’s down to nicotine content, pH (amount of alkalizing agent(-s)) and grind. No one knows how much nicotine is in W&H USA, but Indian Nicotiana rustica varieties used by smokeless tobacco industry score from 3 to 6% nic (stem clocks at about 1%). Then, we don’t even know how much rustica this blend contains. Jowever, judging by a pretty solid “hit” with pH being relatively low, I would assume that nicotine content might be about 3%.

White Elephant contains 2.5% nicotine. The manufacturer has also disclosed the amount of calcium (hydroxide) - 6.39%. It’s a very strong, caustic alkalizer and the amount added to this snuff is large enough to freebase virtually all the nicotine (rendering pH 10), making it rapidly uptakable; an infamous sharp sting comes from this alkali (it also irritates your airways). Super fine grind facilitates instant absorption.

At pH 8.5 roughly 2/3 of total W&H USA nicotine is freebased, but the absorption isn’t as fast as that of WE. Besides, W&H grind isn’t that fine (somehat finer than Irish #22).

[colubrid]

Thanks, you’re very educated. White Elephant isn’t my daily snuff. It’s the most potent nicotine product I’ve ever used. I enjoy it in very small amounts & not all day. I was using it as a measure against the others. I like a range between HDTs through USA scotches. I like the kick of these snuffs, the scents, especially HDTs & they don’t clog my nose. I’m using snuff on top of the nicotine pouches I have in my mouth pretty much all waking hours. Perhaps I should have said I have a high nicotine tolerance rather than very high. I hadn’t associated with snuff users in a while.