Good to hear you are getting better @I_snuff_therefore___ As you suggested in an earlier posting your search for the cause of your lung problem might be a long one. It might be that one of the snuffs you have been taking triggered the problem in you (but would not trigger the same problem in other people). But it is also possible is that it was triggered by something else. We now live in a world of poisons. Supermarkets contain entire sections of poison. Children can not buy cigarettes but can buy drain cleaner. There are hundreds of household items that produce toxic vapor. Usually this is in insufficient quantities to cause problems for most people, but maybe you are not most people. Almost anything might have exposed you - cleaning the windows, repairing your bicycle or using a fly spray.
I’m not exactly sure how many doctors I actually saw but it sure was a lot although there seemed to be two main chiefs. At one point I was almost asking for a wall chart to help me work it out. I started to get the feeling that I was some kind of curious case for them and that word had gone around and they all wanted to have a look. In terms of the hospital discharge I can now see that they were regularly monitoring me for any steriod side effects as well as that my breathing was ok and I think they were satisfied that they had a correct steriod dosage level so thought me fit enough to go home. I had actually told them that I thought I had improved enough to do that. Slept amazingly comfortably last night after a shot of Firedrac but still get the tight chest and short breathing once I start to move around first thing in the morning but it’s managable although this is the part that I really need to improve on. Once the steroid starts then this dissappears. I still have the impression that the head doctor did see an opportunity for some easy box filling on his report as soon as he saw that I used snuff but I also think he genuinely saw it that anything that even just might interfere with lungs should be cut out and I suppose that’s reasonable enough . I almost got the impression that he thought people should permenantly wear face masks. Maybe in his business you eventually come to that conclusion. I expect he had a lot more serious cases to think about so basically stabilise me, do the tests, fill the report, organise some future follow up and discharge. Job done. I can’t blame them. They aren’t a research unit. If my chest problem doesn’t fall under some normally identifiable tag which it seems it does not then they just have to try what they can. Had some Creme de Figue this morning and it actually seemed to ease my morning cough just as soon as I’d taken it but for now I think the morning breathing is the important bit and which way that goes and presently it seems to be static. I may well yet have to have a snuff fast.
Two thoughts about snuff choices: --Willie Pete is pretty dusty --menthol causes swelling of mucus membranes
Been reading this very interesting discussion. This morning I had to go to the nearby Walk-In Health Centre, and was prescribed Loratadine & Flucloxacillin (not a name to try after a beer); I’d woken up with my throat terribly inflamed - could swallow liquids okay, solids with liquid assistance to push them down, but couldn’t retch or spit properly without the swelling in my throat choking me. This followed on from my right nostril swelling up a couple of days ago, becoming very tender to the touch etc, and the last three times I used my mouth wash, when I spat it out I spat blood as well as saliva. All-in-all not good. The doc tells me I’ve got a viral infection caused by a reaction to something. The only change in my lifestyle recently? I bought a bottle of fluid for my e-cig that wasn’t from the manufacturer I normally use. Wondering if there isn’t something in the one I bought that my body seriously objects to. Could just be a co-incidence of course, but I’m going back to my usual fluid asap.
The only way that I can conceive of snuff causing these sorts of problems is if you inhale it all the way into your lungs causing the same effect as coal dust does in black lung.
I’ve read this thread with interest over the last few days, and I’m glad to see you seem to be on the mend. It might be worth playing safe with heavier, moister snuffs for a while - if it’s hard to keep in your nose it’s less likely to get to your lungs! I have to say though that it seems to me if the snuff was the problem someone here would’ve said “here - I’ve had that” by now.
Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital. I’m not going to wait until it got as bad as last time though. I’m sure my oxygen level is down again and my heart is pumping hard to try and compensate, exactly the conditions they admitted me on before although I was worse then. This sure is pretty anyoying whatever it is. Up and down but it just won’t go away and no idea what it is. It would seem that the e-cig wasn’t at fault as stopping that has made no difference whatsoever. So I decided last night that it has come to the point when I have to try and stay off snuff starting today so have cleared it all away. Had considered only using coarser CDF for a while but I think I need to see what using none at all does if anything. It won’t be that hard as I just feel to ill to be bothered about it at the moment. I don’t know if it will help but if I have to go back to the hospital I want to say that I have not been using snuff or e-cig, that I stoppd both in an effort to help myself and try and work out if either were a problem. So now I will see how this goes today and overnight but currently I think I am sliding back to needing oxygen. I have absolutely no energy to do anything so I just can’t live and function like this. I will have to get something done somehow. I don’t actually think not using snuff will make any difference but I suppose I have got to hope that it does as I’m all out of alternatives at the moment. I don’t think there is anything else I can do at this stage. I have to have elliminated snuff and e-cig from suspicion and if I am still bad after that then oxygen is the only thing that helped before in addition to the steroid. Oxygen and steroids are only crutches though. They aren’t actually curing anything and my own immune system doesn’t seem to be able to sort this in fact it seems to be something of the cause. How did I get this? No idea. What is it anyhow? No idea. What can be done to fix it? No idea. Just great.
Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital.
Can you get your own bottle? I have one right next to my bed, but I have not used it for seven years or more. I used to have difficulty breathing and then black out. Since I stopped hanging around in the city centre (with its massive amounts of pollution) the problem has gone away. Apart from the big oxygen bottles, there are dinky little ones that can be carried in a shoulder bag.
Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital. I’m not going to wait until it got as bad as last time though. I’m sure my oxygen level is down again and my heart is pumping hard to try and compensate, exactly the conditions they admitted me on before although I was worse then.
I’m not trying to be rude but I think it’s time for you and "logical"frank to stop playing doctor and actually listen to the advice the doctor gave you.
Not really following you @Cigshurtmylungs. I have already stopped taking snuff today as explained in my previous post?
Not really following you @Cigshurtmylungs. I have already stopped taking snuff today as explained in my previous post?
Not following is right, because I’ve said it since the start Read through all the posts in this thread and I’m fairly sure my statement was far from unwarranted. People have a tendency to doctor themselves ( even I’m guilty of it. ) But this whole concept logicalfrank has that doctors somehow would rather be right then discharge or refer the patient to another doctor is silly. This may sound horrible but a doctor would rather kick you out ( discharge you ) rather than give you an " escape goat " answer as this makes them liable. A doctor won’t give up 6 figures income just to feel special. The more we can all trust them the easier the diagnosis…
I’m not trying to be rude but I think it’s time for you and "logical"frank to stop playing doctor and actually listen to the advice the doctor gave you.
Firstly, I am not playing Doctor I am a Doctor. I am now a retired University Professor. My area of expertise is logic, scientific method, causation, problem structuring and artificial intelligence. I have built computer systems to diagnose and treat medical problems. Secondly you are being rude, and I find you your remarks highly offensive. Thirdly, you talk as though your are an expert on the medical profession, but I strongly suspect you know absolutely nothing about medical diagnostics. What I would like to know is why should @I_snuff_therefore___ take your advice about his doctors advice? My advice about his physician’s diagnosis, is “don’t have blind faith in it”. Seek advice from as many sources as you can, and as many physicians as you can. And this I think is what he has been doing.
Because of the personal and insulting remarks made by @Cigshurtmylungs I will not be participating in this forum again. In parting, let me say I hope @I_snuff_therefore___ makes a full recovery, good luck.
Don’t go @logicalfrank. Just steer clear of this topic. I have found your posts to be extremely insightful and the forum would not be the same without you.
Just yesterday I had to give up pot ( which I love far more than tobacco ) because of my pancreas. If logicalfrank can’t accept I’m simply trying to help the other man keep his damn breath that’s completely ridiculous, childish, and selfish.
Well, I don’t want to start anything controversial, @Cigshurtmylungs, but one day - perhaps on another forum better suited to the subject - you’ll have to tell me how pot hurts your pancreas.
@logicalfrank I to appreciate your input and do hope you will continue with Snuffhouse and post here should you wish. I am on the side that I should think about my illness and what I should do about it. I also do pay heed to the doctors as I do want to help them to help me so I am somewhat on both sides. They of course need not be exclusive viewpoints. I never came on here seeking any medical opinion. I would have gone to a medical site or back to the doctor for that. I merely posted as a matter for general discussion in that it was/is affecting me quite greatly and obviously interfering with one of my pleasures and I had still to get my head around it. If I could have continued using snuff without a break and maintained some progress towards wellnes then I would have been happy and preferred to do that, so that was my initial aim and I thought worth a try. As it is I have felt the need to take a trial break from snuff and after the 1st 24hrs on balance it seems to have done me a little good and I do feel slightly better than yesterday. My chest does not seem just so tight and my cough not now so dry so small improvements but I’ll certainly take anything I can get. Sad openeing the fridge and seeing a whole row of SWS tins and having to resist but I hope soon that I will be able to start again and try just one to see how that goes. For now though I had better stick to this abstinance just until I am sure I am recovered whenever or if that might be. I’ve sort of been thinking about a new thoery something along the lines of when I snuff into the nose then somehow my body is sending an alarm to my lungs and they are then starting a defense response to foreign bodies even though nothing has actually reached the lungs although obvioulsy once my lungs have clogged up then anything that would reach them would agrivate things further. I still don’t understand why this only started to happen recently as my snuff use had not altered in any way. Even the cheif hospital doctor had no answer to that question. It’s just a pity that all the hospital tests showed up nothing. Anyhow In the meantime I wish everyone continued enjoyable and issue free snuffing. Maybe have a few extra pinches for me. 
Health is the highest of all, let we be very careful and not snob the docs, as Socrates saying “all in moderation” even for the Snuff…
Was at the doc again today for a brief visit and she put a name to what the hospital thought I had. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersensitivity\_pneumonitis Interesting to see Tobacco Workers Lung listed the cause being exposure to moldy tobacco but I have never had any of my snuff go moldy? and Pituitary snuff taker’s lung! This is interesting http://thorax.bmj.com/content/22/1/13.full.pdf+html an extract: Pituitary snuff is commonly prepared by grinding a mixture of the dried posterior pituitary lobes of porcine and bovine pituitary glands down to a particle size of less than 50 microns, and diluting with an inert soluble powder, often lactose. When inhaled through the nose the major part of this powder is absorbed by the nasal mucosa, but some undetermined fraction is carried more distally; the smaller particles of this are known to pass to and through the smallest bronchioles to enter the alveoli. An asthmatic reaction to this type of snuff is not uncommon. However, a coarser grained variety of snuff is also available and appears less liable to cause symptoms. This then is a good article which seems to be closely related to me with the list of symptoms and even mentions the steriod I now use. It even mentions that smoking can help ward off symptoms. http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/pulmonary\_disorders/interstitial\_lung\_diseases/hypersensitivity\_pneumonitis.html It seems then then that if I have developed a serious adverse reaction to snuff then it probably means I won’t be able to use it again but I think it’s still early enough that there is no permenant lung damage. It still remains to be seen if this clears up after stopping using snuff and if not then it must be the case that I am still exposed to whatever else is the cause. Of course I’m only playing doctor but I think these must be examples of some of the vast vault of information that the real doctors have and therefore that they probably do know quite a bit about all this. I’m almost surprised now that they didn’t give me a harder time about using snuff.
All I want is for you to be better again. If in the end this means giving up snuffing, then so be it. I hope not, but at the end of the day your bodily health is the number one priority. Get well soon…