Well just got out of the hospital after a week. Went to the doctor last week and they measured my blood oxygen which was very low and my heart rate high and promtly stuck an oxygen mask on me and plonked me in a wheelchair then an ambulance and straight to hospital. I’m feeling a lot better now after they put me on a course of anti-inflamitory steriods which I still have to take for another month and gradually come off but they have cleared out my lungs and apparently there is no lasting lung damage but they blame it on the snuff and want me to give it up. I took snuff the whole time I was in hospital quite openly and they were fine with that but the head lung specialist doctor seems to think anything unusual that might enter the lungs is a no-no for me now. I had all sorts of breathing tests, blood tests, speutum tests, a CT scan, constant blood pressure check etc, pretty much the works and they don’t know what happend for my lungs to clog up but I was in a pretty critical state so they are pointing the finger at snuff given that they seem to have no other explanation. They think that I had some kind of allergic reaction even though I told them I had been using snuff for more than a year before I had any problems and had not been using it when I was at my most ill. Also while recovering from the lung problem in hospital I increased my usage daily as I got to feeling better and I still continued to recover so I’m a bit confued about it all. Despite this they still see snuff as the problem. I personally don’t think that snuff was the problem, if anything I would think it would more likely to be the e-cig but like the doctors I really have no idea. I don’t know how this is going to play out but at present I have a lot of snuff I still want to use although I’m thinking of completely discarding all of the e-cig stuff which I didn’t have and didn’t really miss while in hospital but my 50g tin of Fields of Juniper was a welcome comfort while in hospital and helped me get through the boring days. I’ll just have to see how things go I guess. I wish after all of their tests they could have come to some kind of conclusive answer but my snuff use seemed to give them an easy scapegoat? Just seems unlucky for me that I got an unexplainable lung problem and that snuff has been branded the culprit. Definitely put a bit of a dampner on it all for me. I hadn’t previously been in hospital for something like 30 years and I have never been as ill as that ever so definitely going to have to re-evaluate things some.

Wow, hope you recover soon and they can determine the real causes of your problems. Agree with you that using something nasally could get into your lungs to cause a problem, but I’m no expert.

@I_snuff_therefore___ Good to see that you are back and that you are on the mend. It sounds like the docs don’t really know what happened and so are warning you off anything that could possibly exacerbate your problems - that does make sense. Although if you were taking snuff every day in hospital and your health improved that would seem to suggest that snuff is not the problem. I hope that this gets resolved for you and that you are able to continue enjoying snuff.

I gave up snuff cos it was giving me asthma, especially Rustica fine. I now use it very occasionally and am very careful with it.

Sounds to me like they are just using snuff as a scapegoat, in 300+ years of snuff history this has never happened before, I would mention that to them because they could be overlooking a serious health problem because they found an easy scapegoat.

Given that you have had a lung problem, I would have thought that vaping would be the more likely culprit - after all, that’s the one that actually involves breathing stuff in…

Sounds to me like they are just using snuff as a scapegoat, in 300+ years of snuff history this has never happened before, I would mention that to them because they could be overlooking a serious health problem because they found an easy scapegoat.

This was the first thing I told them but it fell of deaf ears. I also explained to them that snuff is only sniffed into the nose and is not inhaled although I’m sure a small amount does reach at least the top of the lungs. You can’t really explain to people that don’t use snuff so they are never going to be swayed. I did also express my concern that they would possibly overlook the real cause through being distracted with the snuff issue. I wonder now what would have happened if I had not openly divulged my snuff use. What would they have given as a reason then? I told them about the e-cig also but since I did not have it there at the time I think they just ignored that. Since comming home I’ve discovered that I am very averse now to the vapour from vaping so I packed up all the ecig stuff and probably will dispose of it all. I like my lungs clear as they are just now and even a single puff on the e-cig seems pretty horrible now but maybe it’s something to do with these steroid drugs but snuff still seems fine although I don’t seem to be as keen on some of the snuffs I was before. Again maybe the steroids are effecting this. To early to know. So I think it’s the end of vaping for me as a first step. Since I got on ok with the snuff in hospital along with these steroids then I think I will continue with that for now. I sure wish now that I was back to how I was before this lung thing started a couple of months back but maybe it’s time to heed the warning I got and at least ditch the vaping. I found the vaping very useful in helping me get completely off smoking but now that I’m a year or so clear of smoking I don’t think I need the vaping now anyhow. Be glad all of you that you haven’t had a similar problem and can freely enjoy your snuff. At my lowest point it really became clear to me how much energy we all normally have and maybe take for granted. I was basically turned into an invalid. Without adequate breathing there sure isn;t much you are capable of. It’s really a pretty crap thing when you can’t breath enough even to get up a single flight of stairs when a couple of months previously I had no such problem. Luckily I seem to be able to manage them now without any issue. One of the doctors who did a computerised lung test on me today actually said the difference to when I first was admitted to hospital and did the same test was like a miracle recovery. Really if I had not gotten treatment for this it could have been pretty terminal. I certainly had no more leeway in terms of breathing at my lowest point so definitely all a bit of a shock but I sure know the warning signs now and will get some help sooner if it happens again but I’m certainly hoping that it does not. Even if I’m ok tomorrow I will feel more optimistic about it I think but for now I’m defintitely taking no chances with any more vaping. I do think that possibly was the culprit. I will be getting another CT scan in a month or so and visiting the speacialist again and I suppose he will be hassling me about snuff again then but if I am well and still using snuff I will be happy with that and will be more convinced myself that it was something to do with the e-cig.

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ First, I am so very glad you’re on the mend. Take care of yourself. Second. They call it “The Practice of Medicine” for a reason. They still haven’t figured it out. Unless you discovered an entirely new and radical way of using snuff, I don’t know if that’s the lung tissue issue. I’d get a few more opinions if I were in the same boat. The vaping might be the culprit as no known research has been done on inhaling vaporized propylene glycol or vegetable glycerine, so laying off that might help. I just want you to get healthy, whatever that may take. Cheers, Daniel

thanks @chefdaniel‌ and everyone. I am a bit bewildered by it all at the moment and looking forward to getting some good clear breathing days behind me again and discovering that snuff really wasn’t the problem. I don’t want to be spoiling that 300+ year record 8-X

This is anecdotal only, but it was true for me and others I have compared notes with. I smoked cigarettes from the age of 13 to 32. I never had a smoker’s cough until after I stopped - and then it took about a year before I stopped coughing, and another year after that before my singing voice was back to normal. It seemed as if my lungs were getting rid of all the accumulated crap from nearly two decades of cigarettes, and it took quite a long time for the process to work its way through.

Get well soon I_snuff_therefore___. Anecdotally: I have two assistants in the shop and both of them came down with serious lung issues this summer within a week of each other that put them down for several weeks each. They were both given antibiotics and steroids and both had the same symptoms. But one was diagnosed with allergic asthma and the other with bacterial pneumonia. Different doctors, different diagnoses. Glad you are getting better even though they don’t know just what triggered your pulmonary meltdown.

Though I’ve never been a heavy smoker, nor for a long time (I still smoke the odd cigarette, though) I have to agree with @Justin. Lungs take time to clean themselves, and it’s quite a strange deal that shows that our bodies are far from a perfect machine: they seem to need to get-used-to-not-being-used to smoke to realize they are full of debris. Another memory of lung-related issues that arises from the depths of my mind is the period of recovery I needed after being subjected to some mosh pits full of dry dust in suspension and a camping tent full of deodorant for three days back at Resurrection Fest 2012… I was sick like hell and coughing dust for four damned days and swore to Wotan high in Vallhalla that I’d never take a pick axe or be a miner! If you have ever worked, or lived, in an environment full of really fine particles like dust, fine sand (and that means REALLY finer that even Dholakia White… and separated, not in pinches) or fungal spores, it could be part of the problem… I think the docs got their consequences from the sputum test: if you coughed and spat after a couple of days of bedridden, heavy snuff use, I’m pretty sure some particles from your throat were to be found in your sputum, while as you haven’t vaped during your stay in the hospital, your throat and lungs were surely devoid of any trace of e-juice. Besides, it’s really easier to blame snuff… If you were a crusader against tobacco but not an expert (and I believe this doctors in particular were no experts in smokeless tobacco products), you would surely expect more harm to come from shredded tobacco plants in any shape (specially with the paranoia surrounding oral use of tobacco) than from an apparently harmless nicotine solution. I have a friend, a guy who is in a local metal band, that reacts badly to EVERY vapor or gaseous matter that isn’t air: even steam or dry ice (not to mention smoke) because of some problem with his lungs and ribcage. He really wants to smoke a reefah with “us guys”, but he simply can’t. His experience goes well with a theory of a doctor I heard a few months back in some Spanish TV channel: while vapor is indeed less harmful than smoke and it’s a way to reduce the dangers of nicotine, THC or any other smoked substance, it STILL caused some unease to our lungs, which are made for air (not water nor carbs or any other thing). So, from my own experiences, I think it’s something from your past life (smoking, inhaling noxious substances without noticing…) fired up with vaping what caused the problem, and not taking snuff. The medical profession is one of the most empirical ones, so, as @ChefDaniel said, they CAN be wrong! BUT, that said, I am no doctor, so I suggest you to follow their advice and quit every tobacco/nicotine product you’re currently using for some days (if you can), then repeat the test routine (if you have an scheduled revision, quit until that date). I’m pretty sure that their suspicions about snuff will end that way. And last, but not least, get well soon!

Good to hear that you’re getting better! Regarding the doctors’ opinions, it seems like a safe bet for them to recommend that you stop taking snuff. No downside for them, and, after all, in the absence of any other explanation, they might be right. If you’d told them you’d spent every morning sniffing flowers, they might have blamed the pollen.

People need to stop coming to tobacco forums for health concerns… No one here is a doctor but I’m certain everyone will say it has nothing to do with snuff. Even though we can’t examine you or prove anything at all. There’s a chance that snuff grains can make its way to you lung, normally I wouldn’t be concerned but considering you spent an entire week in the hospital I would probably listen to the doctors. A doctor might not know everything but to come to a tobacco forum with tobacco users and tobacco manufacturers just to get a health opinion after spending a week in the hospital being driven by an ambulance is crazy. If your oxygen levels went that low I would probably cut back nicotine all together, drink extra water and even if snuff isn’t the cause it still makes sense to avoid any further stimulation and risk.

A lot of folks come here because they have health concerns about smoking and wish to give up with the help of snuff as I did. I don’t see why this should stop? Even I am saying I don’t think that snuff was/is the problem. When the doctors can’t give you any clear answers then I still think you have to try and appraise the situation yourself as best you can and if there is any extra insights to be had from somewhere like here then I don’t see the problem in considering those. Remember I was using snuff in the hospital and getting better while doing so in fact it actually seemed to perk me up a bit. Maybe most drastically I should discard all my snuff along with the e-cigs but frankly I don’t wish to do that. I still wish to retain the enjoyment of the little pick me up that snuff provides but obviously this is a time of concern regarding it all. I’m just relaying my tale and I appreciate the general views and experiences expressed by other members and also the good wishes and am glad to say I made it through the night fairly well and I’m still using my snuffs but no longer any e-cig. I need to look over the medical release letter in a bit more detail at some stage but I did notice on glancing over it again that they state “it is thought that snuff is the cause of the hypersensitivity”, so I guess that means that they are not sure even about that. If I am going to have any further problems then I expect they will show pretty soon so if say in a weeks time I’m still ok and still using snuff then I think that will be enough to convince me that I am on the right path. If I do have any more problems then I think my only choice will be to call at least a temporary halt to snuff use to see how that goes. Either way I’m definitely finished with the e-cigs so I can discard that as a possible cause from now on. In the sputum tests they didn’t find anything of concern, even any snuff. I am hoping it is just the come down after 30 years of smoking and that the e-cig was the aggrivator. If I had not recovered fairly quickly in hospital then I would probably still be there so things are looking upwards again. Actually I am definitely feeling a lot better. Not out of the woods but defintiely these steroids seem to be helping. Definitely can feel energy returning. I have a new respect for Fields of Juniper also which was the only snuff I had for the whole week and it sufficed very well indeed.

Good luck pinning down a cause; when it comes to ‘hypersensitivity’ I think they mean you developed an allergy to–something, and they think it was the snuff. However, snuffs are scented with lots of essential oils. Whenever I snuff French Carrotte my wife almost immediately can tell from half-way across the room for instance. It’s not the particles of tobacco she’s detecting. Some people develop allergies to perfumes… Just saying your doctors couldn’t know everything you were exposing yourself to.

Good to hear youre on the mend. I remember you saying a while back you had the flu from hell. Must have been frightening the way it developed. My experience with doctors is i don’t feed them any lines to use. Keep quiet and if they ask if im a snuff user for instance then fair enough to mention it. I think they work under such time constraints that its human nature to adopt the most obvious in explanations.

Just back from a shopping trip and as always I went on my bicycle and I could definitely feel some power returning even though my leg muscles have shrank considerably from all the bed boundness. I lost a stone weight during it all but I’m actually quite happy about that. Chest is still a bit tight and still got a dry cough but I was able to get enough oxygen without to much problem and I hope this will get even better as the days pass. Definitely a bit freaky when your health goes haywire. Seems to come down to a lot of luck as to whether things come back together or not. Definitely feel a lot more mortal after something like that. @mouse. That was something I also wondered about snuff flavourings but since I rotate snuffs so much I would find it impossible to pin any one down and you are right they did say they thought it was some kind of allergic reaction. I do have a feeling that my lungs were somehow trying to coat themselves to defend against the e-cig vapour but it’s only a guess at the moment. I think in a week or so everything should become a bit clearer. Anyhow when out I came accross a couple of aquaintances and explained about the hospital thing and got a nagging from both about using both the e-cig and snuff. Both saying just ditch the lot but I’m sticking to my plan. In a weeks time I expect to be even better than now and still snuffing happily although I did buy some low strength nicotine gum to replace the e-cig for now. One suggested I should never have stopped smoking and I must admit that had crossed my mind but now that I’m feeling a bit better I’m more glad than ever that I no longer have any smoking cravings after a year of having quit but obviously the nicotine desire remains but nothing like when I smoked and snuff is about the right level. The doctors did question me about exposure to coal and paint and all sorts of things and other allergies of which I have none. They said that my symptoms were indicative of people with lung fibrosis but that I was to young for that really and the scan showed me to be clear thankfully. They also checked for TB and AIDS and all sorts but seems I’m all clear there too so worthwhile to know at least what I haven’t got. I’m sure it’s a very demanding role working in a hospital surrounded by sickness. Even the cleaner was telling my how he got affected by people being ill. I think they were pleasantly releaved when I showed signs of positive progress so I think it shows they are good people who genuinely care and strive to make people better but at the same time know they can’t always work miracles. In the end I was just another person on the conveyor of people passing in and out of that hospital bed. Anyhow they looked after me very well indeed as best they could and in a very friendly way and I am very grateful. It was actually a pretty good experience from that point of view.

“Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc” Can be translated as “After the event therefore because of the event”. It is a well known fallacy in logic. Known since the Greeks I suspect. Amazing how many medical practitioners make this error. Just because you took snuff before you had a lung problem does not entail that the snuff caused the lung problem.

Dr Harold Shipman murdered more than 200 of his patients in England (making him the world’s top serial killer). How many people have died of snuff? Does this mean that you are more likely to die by visiting your Doctor than by taking snuff? Of course, this type of reason is nonsense. “cum hoc ergo propter hoc” a statistical correlation does not imply a causal relation.

When you think of how quickly my doctors were to jump on giving snuff the blame it really is a wonder that snuff has never been attributed to illness by any zealous health experts over time. Even my street aquaintances are sure it’s the cause of my recent woe so I’m sure it’s been thought many a time in the past. It’s funny that the doctors had asked me about exposure to coal as wasn’t it miners who used to use snuff in place of smoking because of the fire risk. Those guys must have had some pretty rough chests but mainly due to the coal. Maybe they had some way of protecting themselves with masks or something? Been thinking it’s time to really eventually cut down on my variety of snuffs to just a few of my favourites if I can ever get the others finished. FOJ now definitely has to be on the list after proving so worthy during my confinement and Creme de Figue another but picking snuffs is kind of like trying to nail jelly to a wall. I wonder what the ancient expression for that is? @logicalfrank: Started reading Philosophy for Life and Other Dangerous Situations and I have to say I’m already thinking I will read it again as soon as I finish the first run through. Very interesting stuff. Just having some Willie Pete. If that stuff doesn’t set my lungs off then it’s pretty much unlikely that snuff is the cause of my strange lung reaction. Produces a good cough that’s for sure and I do like it but defintitely difficult to control the intake.

After a hard weekend of white snuff snuffing I can certainly feel it my lungs when I work out. Stamina has clearly decreased… I also cough up mucus containing snuff. I sure can see overdoing snuff leading to lung problems, inhaling dust of any kind is clearly not good for you. My sense of smell has taken a hit as well. So show respect for the snuff folks, specially the whites.

You are more likely to die at the hands of a friend or a relative; than you are to a stranger or snuff usage.

At least we know what to ban now… ;))

I think it is very silly to talk about snuff per se as being the cause of anything. All snuff are different, some do not even contain tobacco (though I would say that a tobacco free snuff was a misnomer). The effects of one snuff will be different from another. All people are different, the effects of snuff on one person will be different from another. It is quite possible that some snuffs cause some lung problems for some people. But this is quite different from asbestos dust which will cause lung problems for all people. But to stop this academic stuff for a moment as @I_snuff_therefore___ has a real problem, I think it is a good idea to know what you are consuming (be it food, drink or snuff). If its an SWS product then I think it highly probable that it contains only tobacco and some innocuous processing material. Thai snuff, however, is claimed by medical authorities to be only 50% tobacco the remainder being “white earth” they believe this white earth may be responsible for Pulmonary Alveolar Microlithiasis. In other words, not the tobacco at all.

@I_snuff_therefore___‌ - Regardless of the cause, I wish you the best and a speedy recovery.

Agree with Logicalfrank. One of the main reason that I don’t use cigarettes is that I was always lead to believe that most US ones had a goodly percent of non tobacco product in them. This and the curing and processing methods used, seemed to me to be their main detriment. That said, it was also that ‘foreign made’ were difficult to obtain and if found expensive.

Well that Willie Pete experiment didn’t go as well as I had hoped. Pretty much straight after my breathing began to become more restricted and it’s still that way this morning although I slept fairly well. I’m just waiting to see how the steriod helps after it has a little time to take effect but this is definitely a little worrying. Could just also just be that I am gradually stepping down the steriod dose at present and went from 30mg to 25mg yesterday. Looks as though I will have to decide soon whether to take a snuff break. If my breathing doesn’t improve some today then I think I will have to pack the snuffs away for the time being and then if I have to go back to the hospital again I will be able to tell them that I am no longer using the e-cig and snuff and then maybe they will have to find what the real problem is and they won’t do that if I say I am still taking snuff. They might even say the problem is still because I took snuff in the past? They were even specultaing about me having done some painting of my living room walls around the time that I started to have problems so I really think they have no idea whatsoever and all their tests concluded nothing except to show things that I don’t have. Just had a couple good pinches of Thrice Brewed and it feels great. I really think this lung thing is totally unconnected with snuff although the Willie Pete wasn’t a good idea as it’s to fine and I definitely did get a lot in the lungs and it agrivated whatever lung problem I already have although it wouldn’t have done in the past. I don’t even think it’s the e-cig now either. I think it just that my lungs have had a hard time lately and so I can no longer tolerate the e-cig or fine dusty snuffs although yesterday I also tried Cheeta and that went ok. Think the steriod is starting to help now at least. Think I’ll take it very easy today and see how it goes but with this there seems no way of knowing that either. Since I am lost for ideas or able to make any sense of this in common with the doctors it is looking like I might have to go through some snuff withdrawal although that still seems a little dumb to me given that I snuffed loads in hospital without any ill effect? Still it’s lookng like it’s my only option at present if things don’t improve today so I’m very much hoping for an improvement or at least no decline.

Just back from a shopping trip and as always I went on my bicycle

If you are riding a bicycle in heavy traffic, or a city centre, you will be breathing in all sorts of poison. I few hours in the city centre always makes me feel ill. If you are going to give up the snuff it might be an idea to stay away from automobiles as well.

The anti-inflamitory steriod seems to be working again but I’ve just been reading up a bit on them and they seem to be something you definitely don’t want to be taking unless absolutley necessary although I’m not getting any side effects at present. I don’t cycle in heavy traffic normally but I do cycle into the countryside (on my doorstep) on occasion and am told that pollen is supposedly high this year so being as I got this around end of May I wonder if it’s simply that although I’ve never been affected by pollen before. I don’t have pets but I’m sure there must be a few dust mites around as dusting is not a favourite pastime of mine. So I give up. It could be absolutely anything. I just hope I can reduce and get off these steroids without any problems but it seems I’m definitely going to need them for now. Seems my lungs have just gone into overdrive reacting to something or other with no real way of telling what that is and the steroids are needed to counteract that. I really don’t have enough understanding of all of this and it seems such a vast complex area. Any snuff that might possibly irritate my lungs I will definitely avoid for now. I think I am just at the mercy of whatever will happen but as long as the steroid keeps me going ok, well at least that’s something. Maybe time will provide some more clue but anything like this when immune systems go haywire is not a good thing to have for sure. I wish it was a case of simply stop using snuff and that would fix it but apparently from what I read, even if I did that, it could still take months before any difference became apparent so seems I’m stuck with this for now whatever.

Any snuff that might possibly irritate my lungs I will definitely avoid for now.

The rational procedure for finding out the cause would be use just one snuff for a period and see what effect it had. Then use an other snuff and see what effect that has. But, of course, you are ill (not a lab rat) and not interested in scientific procedure in order to publish a paper in an academic journal. I would suggest, however, that if you are not going to give up and switch to nicotine tablets. That you do limit yourself to one snuff type and one where you are sure you know what the ingredients are. And give up the e-cigs.

Yes the e-cigs are gone for good. Pity that I had just ordered another lot of juices but no matter, I just don’t need them any longer and am sure I’m better without that now. I did really enjoy the e-cig at times but I definitely seem to have lost the desire and need for it. It served it’s purpose in helping me completely quit smoking. Even if I fully recovered I wouldn’t go back to using those again. I’d still recomend them for helping to stop smoking but this lung thing has definitely made me no longer see any attraction to it. Basically I’m just not able to inhale the vapour any longer so the decision is made for me but in the main I am glad that this has been forced upon me. One less thing to bother about. Just binned some old snuffs that seem to have lost their goodness and especially some of the very fine ones. Anything that hits my lungs when I take a pinch, which is easy to notice no matter how careful I am, is off the menu. I noticed that some snuffs like Toque Pomegranite for instance seem to be very easy on the system compared to others. Not one I previoulsy liked greatly but I see the advantage to it now but then again I still love that nose melting drip of things like Firedrac. I’ve perked up again a little today. No problem breathing at the moment and that feels good. Maybe a day without anything like Willie Pete will see me in better shape tomorrow. Now for some Creme de Figue. No danger with that one I don’t think. I’m hoping to get down to a set of snuffs that work ok for me so I’ll go through narrowing down what I have. I’d be happy enough just to have a few of my very favourites speaking of which Havana Toast. I was bowled over by this one and was using it regularly before my little hospital escapade. Now I seem not to be inclined to use it. I don’t think it caused any problem it just seems that it’s my most recent snuff memory from when I became quite ill so maybe subconciously I am avaoiding it now or it could be my preference has just changed again after enjoying the Fields of Juniper by itself for a week. I seem to have gone off all plain toasts for now and they were always a regular before. Oh well, all part of the snuff mystery?

It is great to see you back on Snuffhouse @I_snuff_therefore___. It is also good to know that you are now recovering from a highly stressful experience. I have always enjoyed your posts and I admire the attitude you are showing toward your illness. Please keep us informed as to your progress and how things are going in your recovery. The only “advice” I might have for you, is to learn as much as you can about your condition and to continue to study it more and more deeply. As you said, there is a “vast” amount to learn but the more you learn the less vast it becomes. In my own case I applied this approach to my highly painful lower back problems that back surgeons have told me only surgery can correct. I have also been to over 20 chiropractors (though the years) who have offered me varying treatments and opinions as to what is happening and how to correct it. So I read and studied everything I could about lower back pain and applied several different methods most of which did not work. But some did work. And now I am 98% pain free without resorting to surgery, much to the astonishment of my back specialist and surgeon (who is a great guy by the way). And by the way, most of the chiropractors were amazed as well, and only a few of the latter were actually helpful. Although the surgeon does not fully understand what I did to stop the pain, he clearly supports it. As he put it, he is “in favor of anything that works,” as he is not one of those surgeons who believes surgery is necessary for everything. Curiously, he told me that the MRI shows that my lower back shows considerable degeneration and expressed amazement that I now have no pain to show for it and I have not had the pain for over a year. What I am trying to say is that I have learned that in the end it is we who are ultimately responsible for our bodies and what we do to them. We may not have caused the condition but how we respond to it is our choice. In this same vein, we are also responsible for who we hire (and trust) to help us to treat our bodies so that we can heal and recover as fully as possible. In my view there is no substitute for knowledge and it is best to learn and intensively read about and study our condition so that we can better choose who to surround ourselves with who are knowledgeable healers. I think we should become as knowledgeable as possible so as to help the healers to heal ourselves. That may not be of much help to you but there it is for what it’s worth… Get well soon.

Many thanks indeed @fredh. Glad to hear you are winning with your back problem and long may that contiue. Almost makes me wince thinking about it but I guess we just have to cope with what comes. I’m sure I will certainly keep delving into this as more thoughts or questions come to me about it. I think it does help when discussing with doctors if you have at least some basic knowledge and good clues that they can work on but maybe I might not mention snuff next time although I probably wouldn’t have been able to hide it and in the end it was enjoyable to pinch away right in front of them. Think I will go through the hospital release letter and see if I can learn anythng from some of the medical terms they used on that. When I was admittd to hospital there was a sort of comeradery amongst the patients but a guy arrived shortly after me in a pretty bad way and I heard him say to his wife that he thought he had had it this time and it sounded like he was resigned to it but the nurses and doctors soon pumped him full of all sorts of drugs and finally gave him something as simple as two paracetomol and sure enough he started to come around and I was able to have a chat with him shortly after. Even just having a chat seemed to help a lot, for us both. I still feel lucky compared to some of the elderly patients I saw on the hospital ward or even my mother who died of lung fibrosis but at least I was able to help care for her in her final years. still you can’t help looking at them and getting a glimpse of the future so it’s enjoy each day for now if at all possible. While I was in hospital I asked if they would contact my uncle who is 83 (looks a very healthy 70 or so) so that he could bring me some changes of clothes and bits and pieces from the house and they couldn’t find him registered on their system. When I saw him later I asked him about this and he told me that he’d only only ever visited people in hospital and had never in his life been a patient and that’s why they did not have his details. I think his secret has been a simple clean living active life. Amazing man.

Playing doctor usually results in repeat hospital visits but the only way we will know for sure is if you stop E cig use and continue snuff. If you end up back in the hospital while continuing to use snuff at that point I would quit snuff all together and see how you feel. Even if you continued to use snuff and got better in the hospital that doesn’t mean that will continue to be the case once the medication they put you on wears off and you’re home.

All Doctors are liars. I know because I am a Doctor.

All Doctors are liars. I know because I am a Doctor.

Lol ok Dr Phil

All Doctors are liars. I know because I am a Doctor.

OK, @logicalfrank, regarding your post quoted above, I will attempt to state the obvious in the form of a syllogism. 1. “All Doctors are liars.” (your premise) 2. logicalfrank is a Doctor. (your premise) Therefore… 3. logicalfrank is a liar. (logical conclusion). You are clearly a smart man, Frank, and you no doubt posted your comment with tongue planted firmly in cheek. But is this your way of telling us that we cannot trust what you tell us? >:)

Well I’m not lying when I say I’m sitting here feeling around 80% back to full health. Ok with a little steriodal assistance currently but the good news is that last night I had some snuff for some nic during the night and also in the morning after a good sleep and although I did have some chest tightness and shallow breathing - which I had anyway before I took the snuff - I didn’t feel that I neccesarily needed to go and take the steriod, or as high a dose, which is good. The steriod wears off usually come night after having taken it in the morning and so during the night and following morning it basically isn’t having any supportive effect and so this is the time to best judge how things are going. I currently take 5x5mg tablets in the morning as directed but I think it might tbe better split 3 and 2 in the evening but I’ll stick to what they say. So if this continues then it’s looking like snuff is going to be ok and also getting off the steroid but still another 3 weeks to go to be sure and probably anything could still happen but for now it seems strange to be so much better than I was before I went to hospital. I can basically climb the stairs again without thinking about it any longer or having to recover my breath although it’s still a little harder without the steriod effect. I’ve been off the e-cig since just before hospital and that surely is helping and I also cut down on the caffeine and have bottles of water about the place as I picked up the habit of regular water drinking in hospital as they always supplied me with a fresh jug. Maybe when I snuff and drink water I’m convincing the body that it’s not a bad thing? If I do get any snuff in the top of my chest it does start some dry coughing and my chest is still pretty tender so I’ve got to try and avoid that as much as possible. Might possibly be that my improvement could be even greater if I cut all snuff use but basically I’m pretty attached to the habit and definitely think I’d miss it greatly even to stop for a while. So just a litttle update. Maybe just making those few changes is going to be enough to sort this all out. Be good to see the doctor again in good health and tell them that I still can use snuff without any problem and have a clear CT scan as proof. I’ll wait and see how things go for now of course but I do hope that today was a good sign of better to come.

All Doctors are liars. I know because I am a Doctor.

is this your way of telling us that we cannot trust what you tell us? >:)

Yes, quite right. You can not trust what I tell you just because I am a Doctor (or an economist or a lawyer or anything else). This is a fallacy in reasoning known as “the argument from authority” (I was using the “Paradox of the liar”, to illustrate this). Fortunately, @I_snuff_therefore___. is not making this error.

All Doctors are liars. I know because I am a Doctor.

is this your way of telling us that we cannot trust what you tell us? >:)

Yes, quite right. You can not trust what I tell you just because I am a Doctor (or an economist or a lawyer or anything else). This is a fallacy in reasoning known as “the argument from authority” (I was using the “Paradox of the liar”, to illustrate this). Fortunately, @I_snuff_therefore___. is not making this error.

I don’t agree with what you’re implying about doctors People that have trust issues only need to look in the mirror. There they will meet the one person that will betray them the most. Doctors as a majority would rather get other doctors opinions rather than subject the patient to harm or potential danger. I’ve known plenty of doctors who order follow ups with other doctors obviously ( normally within the same hospital or hospital affiliate ) but my point remains valid. Plenty of doctors have the know it all complex and I understand that. However if the doc truly thought there was something urgent to be dealt with or something going on they didn’t know about they would have recommended a follow up with a specialist or brought one to his hospital bed or never discharged him in the first place No doctor in his right mind would discharge a person if they thought there was an urgent problem. They also wouldn’t come up with " escape goats " just to make themselves feel special. What the doctor is doing is eliminated all variables to make his diagnosis easier in the future if need be

Good to hear you are getting better @I_snuff_therefore___ As you suggested in an earlier posting your search for the cause of your lung problem might be a long one. It might be that one of the snuffs you have been taking triggered the problem in you (but would not trigger the same problem in other people). But it is also possible is that it was triggered by something else. We now live in a world of poisons. Supermarkets contain entire sections of poison. Children can not buy cigarettes but can buy drain cleaner. There are hundreds of household items that produce toxic vapor. Usually this is in insufficient quantities to cause problems for most people, but maybe you are not most people. Almost anything might have exposed you - cleaning the windows, repairing your bicycle or using a fly spray.

I’m not exactly sure how many doctors I actually saw but it sure was a lot although there seemed to be two main chiefs. At one point I was almost asking for a wall chart to help me work it out. I started to get the feeling that I was some kind of curious case for them and that word had gone around and they all wanted to have a look. In terms of the hospital discharge I can now see that they were regularly monitoring me for any steriod side effects as well as that my breathing was ok and I think they were satisfied that they had a correct steriod dosage level so thought me fit enough to go home. I had actually told them that I thought I had improved enough to do that. Slept amazingly comfortably last night after a shot of Firedrac but still get the tight chest and short breathing once I start to move around first thing in the morning but it’s managable although this is the part that I really need to improve on. Once the steroid starts then this dissappears. I still have the impression that the head doctor did see an opportunity for some easy box filling on his report as soon as he saw that I used snuff but I also think he genuinely saw it that anything that even just might interfere with lungs should be cut out and I suppose that’s reasonable enough . I almost got the impression that he thought people should permenantly wear face masks. Maybe in his business you eventually come to that conclusion. I expect he had a lot more serious cases to think about so basically stabilise me, do the tests, fill the report, organise some future follow up and discharge. Job done. I can’t blame them. They aren’t a research unit. If my chest problem doesn’t fall under some normally identifiable tag which it seems it does not then they just have to try what they can. Had some Creme de Figue this morning and it actually seemed to ease my morning cough just as soon as I’d taken it but for now I think the morning breathing is the important bit and which way that goes and presently it seems to be static. I may well yet have to have a snuff fast.

Two thoughts about snuff choices: --Willie Pete is pretty dusty --menthol causes swelling of mucus membranes

Been reading this very interesting discussion. This morning I had to go to the nearby Walk-In Health Centre, and was prescribed Loratadine & Flucloxacillin (not a name to try after a beer); I’d woken up with my throat terribly inflamed - could swallow liquids okay, solids with liquid assistance to push them down, but couldn’t retch or spit properly without the swelling in my throat choking me. This followed on from my right nostril swelling up a couple of days ago, becoming very tender to the touch etc, and the last three times I used my mouth wash, when I spat it out I spat blood as well as saliva. All-in-all not good. The doc tells me I’ve got a viral infection caused by a reaction to something. The only change in my lifestyle recently? I bought a bottle of fluid for my e-cig that wasn’t from the manufacturer I normally use. Wondering if there isn’t something in the one I bought that my body seriously objects to. Could just be a co-incidence of course, but I’m going back to my usual fluid asap.

The only way that I can conceive of snuff causing these sorts of problems is if you inhale it all the way into your lungs causing the same effect as coal dust does in black lung.

I’ve read this thread with interest over the last few days, and I’m glad to see you seem to be on the mend. It might be worth playing safe with heavier, moister snuffs for a while - if it’s hard to keep in your nose it’s less likely to get to your lungs! I have to say though that it seems to me if the snuff was the problem someone here would’ve said “here - I’ve had that” by now.

Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital. I’m not going to wait until it got as bad as last time though. I’m sure my oxygen level is down again and my heart is pumping hard to try and compensate, exactly the conditions they admitted me on before although I was worse then. This sure is pretty anyoying whatever it is. Up and down but it just won’t go away and no idea what it is. It would seem that the e-cig wasn’t at fault as stopping that has made no difference whatsoever. So I decided last night that it has come to the point when I have to try and stay off snuff starting today so have cleared it all away. Had considered only using coarser CDF for a while but I think I need to see what using none at all does if anything. It won’t be that hard as I just feel to ill to be bothered about it at the moment. I don’t know if it will help but if I have to go back to the hospital I want to say that I have not been using snuff or e-cig, that I stoppd both in an effort to help myself and try and work out if either were a problem. So now I will see how this goes today and overnight but currently I think I am sliding back to needing oxygen. I have absolutely no energy to do anything so I just can’t live and function like this. I will have to get something done somehow. I don’t actually think not using snuff will make any difference but I suppose I have got to hope that it does as I’m all out of alternatives at the moment. I don’t think there is anything else I can do at this stage. I have to have elliminated snuff and e-cig from suspicion and if I am still bad after that then oxygen is the only thing that helped before in addition to the steroid. Oxygen and steroids are only crutches though. They aren’t actually curing anything and my own immune system doesn’t seem to be able to sort this in fact it seems to be something of the cause. How did I get this? No idea. What is it anyhow? No idea. What can be done to fix it? No idea. Just great.

Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital.

Can you get your own bottle? I have one right next to my bed, but I have not used it for seven years or more. I used to have difficulty breathing and then black out. Since I stopped hanging around in the city centre (with its massive amounts of pollution) the problem has gone away. Apart from the big oxygen bottles, there are dinky little ones that can be carried in a shoulder bag.

Unfortunately had a bad night last night. Breathing getting more difficult again and feeling like I really should be back wearing the oxygen so maybe might have to go back to hospital. I’m not going to wait until it got as bad as last time though. I’m sure my oxygen level is down again and my heart is pumping hard to try and compensate, exactly the conditions they admitted me on before although I was worse then.

I’m not trying to be rude but I think it’s time for you and "logical"frank to stop playing doctor and actually listen to the advice the doctor gave you.

Not really following you @Cigshurtmylungs‌. I have already stopped taking snuff today as explained in my previous post?

Not really following you @Cigshurtmylungs‌. I have already stopped taking snuff today as explained in my previous post?

Not following is right, because I’ve said it since the start Read through all the posts in this thread and I’m fairly sure my statement was far from unwarranted. People have a tendency to doctor themselves ( even I’m guilty of it. ) But this whole concept logicalfrank has that doctors somehow would rather be right then discharge or refer the patient to another doctor is silly. This may sound horrible but a doctor would rather kick you out ( discharge you ) rather than give you an " escape goat " answer as this makes them liable. A doctor won’t give up 6 figures income just to feel special. The more we can all trust them the easier the diagnosis…

I’m not trying to be rude but I think it’s time for you and "logical"frank to stop playing doctor and actually listen to the advice the doctor gave you.

Firstly, I am not playing Doctor I am a Doctor. I am now a retired University Professor. My area of expertise is logic, scientific method, causation, problem structuring and artificial intelligence. I have built computer systems to diagnose and treat medical problems. Secondly you are being rude, and I find you your remarks highly offensive. Thirdly, you talk as though your are an expert on the medical profession, but I strongly suspect you know absolutely nothing about medical diagnostics. What I would like to know is why should @I_snuff_therefore___ take your advice about his doctors advice? My advice about his physician’s diagnosis, is “don’t have blind faith in it”. Seek advice from as many sources as you can, and as many physicians as you can. And this I think is what he has been doing.

Because of the personal and insulting remarks made by @Cigshurtmylungs I will not be participating in this forum again. In parting, let me say I hope @I_snuff_therefore___ makes a full recovery, good luck.

Don’t go @logicalfrank‌. Just steer clear of this topic. I have found your posts to be extremely insightful and the forum would not be the same without you.

Just yesterday I had to give up pot ( which I love far more than tobacco ) because of my pancreas. If logicalfrank can’t accept I’m simply trying to help the other man keep his damn breath that’s completely ridiculous, childish, and selfish.

Well, I don’t want to start anything controversial, @Cigshurtmylungs‌, but one day - perhaps on another forum better suited to the subject - you’ll have to tell me how pot hurts your pancreas.

@logicalfrank‌ I to appreciate your input and do hope you will continue with Snuffhouse and post here should you wish. I am on the side that I should think about my illness and what I should do about it. I also do pay heed to the doctors as I do want to help them to help me so I am somewhat on both sides. They of course need not be exclusive viewpoints. I never came on here seeking any medical opinion. I would have gone to a medical site or back to the doctor for that. I merely posted as a matter for general discussion in that it was/is affecting me quite greatly and obviously interfering with one of my pleasures and I had still to get my head around it. If I could have continued using snuff without a break and maintained some progress towards wellnes then I would have been happy and preferred to do that, so that was my initial aim and I thought worth a try. As it is I have felt the need to take a trial break from snuff and after the 1st 24hrs on balance it seems to have done me a little good and I do feel slightly better than yesterday. My chest does not seem just so tight and my cough not now so dry so small improvements but I’ll certainly take anything I can get. Sad openeing the fridge and seeing a whole row of SWS tins and having to resist but I hope soon that I will be able to start again and try just one to see how that goes. For now though I had better stick to this abstinance just until I am sure I am recovered whenever or if that might be. I’ve sort of been thinking about a new thoery something along the lines of when I snuff into the nose then somehow my body is sending an alarm to my lungs and they are then starting a defense response to foreign bodies even though nothing has actually reached the lungs although obvioulsy once my lungs have clogged up then anything that would reach them would agrivate things further. I still don’t understand why this only started to happen recently as my snuff use had not altered in any way. Even the cheif hospital doctor had no answer to that question. It’s just a pity that all the hospital tests showed up nothing. Anyhow In the meantime I wish everyone continued enjoyable and issue free snuffing. Maybe have a few extra pinches for me.

Health is the highest of all, let we be very careful and not snob the docs, as Socrates saying “all in moderation” even for the Snuff…

Was at the doc again today for a brief visit and she put a name to what the hospital thought I had. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersensitivity\\_pneumonitis Interesting to see Tobacco Workers Lung listed the cause being exposure to moldy tobacco but I have never had any of my snuff go moldy? and Pituitary snuff taker’s lung! This is interesting http://thorax.bmj.com/content/22/1/13.full.pdf+html an extract: Pituitary snuff is commonly prepared by grinding a mixture of the dried posterior pituitary lobes of porcine and bovine pituitary glands down to a particle size of less than 50 microns, and diluting with an inert soluble powder, often lactose. When inhaled through the nose the major part of this powder is absorbed by the nasal mucosa, but some undetermined fraction is carried more distally; the smaller particles of this are known to pass to and through the smallest bronchioles to enter the alveoli. An asthmatic reaction to this type of snuff is not uncommon. However, a coarser grained variety of snuff is also available and appears less liable to cause symptoms. This then is a good article which seems to be closely related to me with the list of symptoms and even mentions the steriod I now use. It even mentions that smoking can help ward off symptoms. http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/pulmonary\\_disorders/interstitial\\_lung\\_diseases/hypersensitivity\\_pneumonitis.html It seems then then that if I have developed a serious adverse reaction to snuff then it probably means I won’t be able to use it again but I think it’s still early enough that there is no permenant lung damage. It still remains to be seen if this clears up after stopping using snuff and if not then it must be the case that I am still exposed to whatever else is the cause. Of course I’m only playing doctor but I think these must be examples of some of the vast vault of information that the real doctors have and therefore that they probably do know quite a bit about all this. I’m almost surprised now that they didn’t give me a harder time about using snuff.

All I want is for you to be better again. If in the end this means giving up snuffing, then so be it. I hope not, but at the end of the day your bodily health is the number one priority. Get well soon…

I don’t mean to rekindle an old post that contains so much serious discussion, but one of the symptoms of magnesium deficiency is shortness of breath. I went to doctor’s all year for a mix of symptoms; numbness in hands, heart palpitations, shortness of breath (always sighing and never feeling like I could get a deep breath), foot cramps, muscle twitches, blurred vision, jaw discomfort, bowel issues, and others. I had extensive blood work done, an MRI on my head and neck, EKG’s, an ultrasound of my gall bladder, and was prescribed a slew of medications; and nothing ever came of it. In fact, my doctor just thought I was crazy. It was very frustrating. I got to thinking about mineral deficiencies and thought about my milk allergy that I’ve had all my life and stumbled upon magnesium deficiency. I started taking large doses of magnesium and my symptoms subsided after a week and are continuing to improve. I take a magnesium supplement everyday now and have been feeling better. You may be dealing with something that modern medicine does not test for or really understand that well. Magnesium is required for some 300 different enzymes throughout the body, in nearly every major system, to function properly. They thought I might have had MS at one point. Don’t give up and consider every possibility, many of which modern medicine may not understand. I’m not saying that a mineral deficiency is responsible for your health issues, but want to encourage you to do your own research and to consider self treatment methods and alternatives to modern medicine. I hope you’ve been feeling better since this original post and that you haven’t had to completely eliminate snuff if it’s something you truly enjoy. I have blamed snuff on a number of occasions for different ailments, and discovered other things were the cause and not the snuff. Although, snuff can’t be really good for me, it can’t be any worse than my cookie eating habit. greenmedinfo.com/blog/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms-and-diagnosis

Well to update. I only stayed off snuff for 10 days and since it made absolutely no difference to my health improving I’ve been back to using snuff regularly for some time now as on balance I feel better with it’s use. The 10 day abstinance basically was enough I felt to demostrate to me that snuff is not the problem. I still don’t vape as I can’t really inhale the vapour. I saw another illness mentioned in a newspaper called Aspergillosis and it read something very like my symptoms so I have another hospital appointment in Jan and will mention this then. I’m actually surprised they didn’t test me for this as according to the newspaper article it has been showing up more and more recently. Maybe I just need some antifungal med but for now I still have to take a low dose of this anti-inflamatory steriod to keep a lid on the problem but everything is still a bit out of whack as they say but I’m getting by without to much bother, just at a reduced strength.

Well to update. I only stayed off snuff for 10 days and since it made absolutely no difference to my health improving I’ve been back to using snuff regularly for some time now as on balance I feel better with it’s use. The 10 day abstinance basically was enough I felt to demostrate to me that snuff is not the problem. I still don’t vape as I can’t really inhale the vapour. I saw another illness mentioned in a newspaper called Aspergillosis and it read something very like my symptoms so I have another hospital appointment in Jan and will mention this then. I’m actually surprised they didn’t test me for this as according to the newspaper article it has been showing up more and more recently. Maybe I just need some antifungal med but for now I still have to take a low dose of this anti-inflamatory steriod to keep a lid on the problem but everything is still a bit out of whack as they say but I’m getting by without to much bother, just at a reduced strength.

I’m glad to hear you’re hanging in there and I hope you get a hold on it all. Aspergillosis is rare, but not out of the question. I started trying to figure out what was causing my shortness of breath and gasping for air over 6 years ago. I did the steroids thing for a bit and it helped, but the problem returned and got worse. I was tested for everything under the sun with no resolve and the doctor eventually told me I had anxiety and prescribed some pills. I still deal with the issue as it has not completely gone away. In fact, it can be unnerving at times as I sit sighing and gasping for air; desperate for a good breath. I can relate to difficulties breathing. I found the best results by adjusting my diet and exercise, but it did not solve the problem. I lost over a 100lbs. in 7 months and still was gasping for air while sitting on the couch. I was juicing fresh green organic vegetables and eating a balanced diet, but still no resolve. I lost my mind at this point. I went 100% sugar free (including anything your body turns into sugar) and drank a purge cleansing drink morning and night with bentonite magma, psyllium powder, and caproyl oil. I was convinced that it was fungal, that I had candida, and that I had to rid my body of it naturally. I felt the best I’d felt in years, but could not maintain it and fell back into eating potatoes, bacon, cookies, and drinking alcohol. I had blood cultures done and they revealed that I did not have any fungus in my blood, so a systemic fungal infection was ruled out. I thought the fungus was in my lungs. The breathing difficulties and other symptoms come and go, but I have come to terms that I don’t have a serious ailment in need of modern medicine. This is not to say that you don’t because you may very well have something serious that needs to be treated by modern medicine. Just be prepared to continue to be poked and prodded with no answers or resolve. It may happen this way? You may have no choice, as I didn’t, but to figure it out on your own. As mentioned before, I believe I’m dealing with a mineral deficiency based on the way my body responded to it. I also think that there is an overabundance of yeast/fungus (not systemic) in my body based on my body’s craving for yeast based products (alcohol and bread), sugar, and starches; and my earlier sugar/yeast free diet definitely made me feel better. I finally came to a self-diagnosis and established a plan for treatment. My self-diagnosis is that an overabundance of yeast and mineral deficiency has created an imbalance (a drag or constant depletion of normal systems function) in my body that’s affecting a lot of little things leading to more major ongoing on/off symptoms (sighing/gasping for air), and in turn, creating anxiety that only exacerbates the entire issue. I plan to ramp it up in the new year; going sugar free again with limited bourbon intake, doing ongoing periodic cleansings, exercise regiment, and vitamin and mineral supplementation. I hope you find some relief from your symptoms. I know how difficult it can be, as I’ve nearly been driven to the brink of complete insanity a few times myself. I’m sorry if I’ve made this sound about me. This was not my intention. I truly hope that you find relief from your symptoms and that the doctor’s can help you. My doctor’s were a huge help. They stroked me for thousands of dollars, got me on a cheap and addictive medicine, belittled me, and left me feeling worse than I did to start. Needless to say, I won’t be going back to the doctor anytime soon.

Interesting post @Jim. My appetite is not good so I’m happy if I bother to have an interest in eating anything at all but it’s very noticable that I have a sugar craving which luckily includes fruit as well as the icecream, chocolate and cake and I also seem to have developed some nausia towards meat although I still eat a little and fish is generally ok and I go through lots of milk as I like serial now whereas before I didn’t and I also like creamed rice and custard with my apple/rhubarb/cherry pies. I actually picked up some of these cravings from the hospital food menu!!! they were all things that I ate as a kid when I did not smoke and I seem to be returning to these preferences now after quitting smoking. I stopped loosing any more weight after the two stone loss so I’m actually at a nicer weight now than before but it’s mostly muscle gone as I think the lungs couldn’t support it any longer. I’m not bothered about drinking alchohol basically since I stopped smoking but I still have the odd drink. I struggle a little (sometimes moreso) with breathing so it’s not nearly as bad as at it’s worst and it seems to have stabilised. I need to have a regular good cough to try and shift the mucus and this I find pretty annoying. Generally at present though I am not panicking about it. I did have another CT scan so in Jan maybe they will fill me in on the story with that? Here in the UK the treatment doesn’t cost me anything but I think the hospital were in fire fighting mode and once you are discharged then they aren’t going to do much as a follow up unless it remains very serious. I don’t blame them or anything as I’m sure it’s difficult for them to know everyone’s exact situation and they can’t spend in exhaustable time on each patient. I just hope in January that there is something in the meeting which makes sense or some plan as a way forward. The way I look at it is that if those steriods had not been available (and I never knew before that they existed) then I probably wouldn’t even be here now! Enjoy each day if possible. I’m going to see if this Cafe 11 can help. Yes that’s good. Surprised at the strength of this jar. Both eyes watering! like peering through rain, be great for actors doing the weepy scenes. b-(

@I_snuff_therefore___ I hope you get some answers soon. Regardless of the news in regards to one’s health, be it bad or be it good, it’s just nice to know something. Keep us all updated when you hear more in January. Otherwise, relax and enjoy the holidays.

I believe your Dr might have a point. Since I started using snuff more heavily (over this year) I have noticed a deep cough to the pint that my lungs seem to rattle and I just know it is the snuff. You see no matter how hard one tries a little snuff will get into ones lungs. Just because we love snuff does not mean we must blame other things.

Because of the personal and insulting remarks made by @Cigshurtmylungs I will not be participating in this forum again. In parting, let me say I hope @I_snuff_therefore___ makes a full recovery, good luck.

Not coming back, good to hear.

I believe your Dr might have a point. Since I started using snuff more heavily (over this year) I have noticed a deep cough to the pint that my lungs seem to rattle and I just know it is the snuff. You see no matter how hard one tries a little snuff will get into ones lungs. Just because we love snuff does not mean we must blame other things.

I don’t want to alarm you but you might want to get that checked out with your doctor. It seems there can be a lot of very serious issues concerning lungs which are not conected with snuff. I mean how many lung problem cases are there where the patient was a snuff user. I think you’ll probably find the overwhelming vast majority of lung patients have never used snuff. I hope your doctor doesn’t say ah it’s because of snuff, just stop taking that and then it turns out to be something completely different like say cancer or TB or COPD, which apparently I don’t have, so they tell me, so with myself at least they seem to have ruled out the most serious things. In my case, as I have already stated, my abstinance from snuff showed no improvement whatsoever and neither has my condition worsened since my snuff taking resumption, in fact it has marginally improved, therefore I can find no reason to consider snuff as being harmful to me and I’m not just saying that. Believe it or not, I do take having been very ill quite seriously.