what is in the Wilsons of Sharrow version of Dr Rumney's.

What the hell… wow.  Never seen that before.  

My call for shenanigans is revoked.  

Does that shop have any more?  

No, I just checked Greens of Leeds and checked Wilsons of Sharrows Catalogue. No Rumney’s or SM Green. Maybe it’s just an old label.

It’s possible @Theatre.  It is still strange though.  

@cstokes…as far as I know he’s trying to keep it in stock as there are quite a few here in Evansville who have been trying to get Wilsons through him for quite some time.

LOL now that’s settled …my question was, what is in it?  Is it just Menthol and Eucalyptus or is there traditionally Aniseed too.  I thought I smelled Aniseed anyway.

Whew, I have no idea.  The Rumneys from South Africa is menthol and eucalyptus and a coarse grind.  The Rumneys Export from South Africa is a finer grind with the same ingredients but there are different variations in this line, McGahey sells them here:

http://www.the-tobacconist.co.uk/snuff/snuff_search.asp

If there is aniseed in it, maybe WoS just renamed it to Aniseed & Eucalyptus rather than keeping the Rumneys name? SM Gold and I think SM Blue also has eucalyptus in it.

That post was made by Professor Phillips A Griffiths. I doubt there’s another person alive that knows as much about Wilsons of Sharrow or Fribourg & Treyer than Griff. He’s who WoS contact when they need historical information regarding their own brands or recipes.

that was a interesting article on Rumney Cstokes.  I love snuff literature

@snuffpub If that is so, then who is H&G Wilson? What is S.M. Green? Dr. Rumney’s was made by Illingworth of Kendal, which was later bought out by Imperial, so it all just doesn’t add up. If that is the renowned professor, he has a good memory, but a lot of that info is contradictory. No one is above error. @thesymbolist thanks for the pic; quite bizzarre. Never seen that before. Hopefully the answer will present itself.

@Xander:

Griff often refers to J&H Wilson as H&G Wilson. Henry and George Wilson were in charge of Top Mill when they sold it to Imperial back in '53.

SM Green is the original name of Menthol Plus. It was changed back in the (I think) late 70’s early 80’s.

Not all snuff information can be found in 30 seconds of googling. :wink:

Anyone have a price list from WoS showing Rumney’s?

@PhilipS

I paid $6 for mine but that probably was due to all the tax

I’m still not understanding why multiple companies have the license to make the same snuff?  How is it that WoS can make the 3 different Rumney’s Export flavors as the same time as Swedish Match?  Or Imperial making Top Mill as the same time as WoS?  Odd.  

@gillybean 

You used to work at the mill, can you confirm or deny any of this?  

judging by the size of the health warning the tin couldnt be that old

i am calling it chinese counterfeit :slight_smile:

diffrent copyright in diffrent countries maybe?

It all comes down to licensing. Company A buys Company B who also owns Company C. Company A sells Company C to Company D, but Company B still retains some territorial rights so at the end of the day you have companies A,B,C and D all manufacturing different snuffs under the same brand name. (Or the same recipe under different brand names).

You’d be surprised how many Wilsons of Sharrow snuffs are manufactured worldwide that you never hear about. Ever heard of Chatham Street, Honey & Camphor, Rum & Lemonade, and Kettle Black? These are all WoS blends in current production that you can’t even turn up in a google search. That’s when fellows like PhilipS and Professor Griffiths and others with a wealth of arcane knowledge come into play.

It bothers me that someone presented a brand of snuff that may not be well-known, but certainly exists, only to be told that there was no such thing and photographic evidence was needed. Then to be told that Griff’s ruminations were a “combination of nonsense and hearsay” is a terrible insult to the only man I know that has been involved in the British snuff scene since the 1940s. I once asked him why he didn’t post here, and he gave an answer that pretty much blamed threads like this.

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I found a really interesting one too.

It’s not that hard…I’m just sayin’.  It can look even better if you spend more than 15 minutes and really care about the authentic look.

No accusations…just food for thought.

the question though is why. There really isn’t anything anyone could gain by making a forgery of a snuff. Well not of a label on a tin like that. If anyone is faking something I don’t think it’s the poster. Maybe the shop or some other company or who knows.

Knockoff snuff?  I have no idea…I just like photoshopping stuff on company time.