@Nicola037, what you have said is so true. The same goes for Coka Cola, brandy, wine, sweet corn, chocolates, rice, peanuts, potatoes, coffee, tea, bread, Tab, oranges, cigars, pork, chicken, Turkish Delight, olive oil, nail polish, Brasso, Dettol, Palm Olive soap, tooth paste, vinegar, water, hamburgers, New York Times, sex, perfume, foam baths, Vicks, Roly Poly, bubble gum, church, bioscope, swimming, muff diving, masturbating, kissing, singing, knitting, walking, football, salt, pepper, pickles, giving birth, sleeping, haircuts and about 1,236,890 other things. To much of any of the above mentioned, plus the other 1,236,890, will harm you. It is common knowledge. But thanks, in any case, for reminding us.
@pieter: My thoughts exactly, thanks for saving me a lot of writing
Pieter, will you be my hero ?
You know, a high percentage of people that write essay length posts end up getting banned? You tend to notice as a mod. Trolls and the unwell alike seem drawn to doing it: trolls because its fun, the unwell because everything is either a conspiracy or out to get them, and the massive posts seem like some kind of way of dealing with the fears. No sympathy for trolls, lots for the latter.
One of the advantages of living long is that I have outlived all my enemies. One of the disadvantages is that I have outlived all my friends. Tobacco is the only constant companion i have had through all these years, and I don’t want to loose it.
@ nicola037 “I fell into it because I was dumb, because I was burned out, exhausted.” You talk about depressive symptoms again and about “self - medication”. I dare to say, I know a lot about mental disorders and addiction. As I always say to my patients: If you do it for fun, it´s quite okay, if you are aware of the risk, but never ever do it to cure anything. Well, I´m usually talking about alcohol then. I find it quite amazing that someone brings together snuff and self - medication. There are so many other things that would work so much better :-). You wouldn´t probably need that big amounts then. (Note that I don´t want to offend you, please take that as a joke!) I don´t agree with you saying that there is so much dis- or lackinformation on the health risks of snuff. The studies, I´ve seen were done by the WHO and there are many others that agree on the fact that snuff is definitely safer than smoking. What matters to me is that you say, you feel BETTER without snuff. Well, then, you´re free not to take snuff and you do not at all have to justify. I feel better WITH snuff, so I just keep doing it, but I don´t think that it is all harmless. @ Pieter: As I already said, even personal attachment is an addictive disorder.
I don’t see how kurtosis fits into this either since there is no evidence of harm. Also I disagree with what Pieter said about foam baths.
Nicola037 Oh my goodness, what a palaver. If crack-cocaine or heroin was substituted for snuff in your description of the horrors of drug addiction then your experience sounds more plausible. We all know that nicotine is addictive. However, I suspect most people find it difficult to reconcile snuff taking with the images conjured up by dramatic words and phrases such as “detox, chasing the nic dragon, horrors of the cancer ward, lucky if I died quickly and didn’t live, ashen complexion” et cetera ad nasueum. You, of your own admission, sought not to use snuff, but to eagerly abuse it in the most extreme way you could devise, and then suffered the consequences. If you go looking for trouble and find it then the fault lies with yourself and not with snuff. Seek, sayeth the good book, and ye shall find. You should accept that such abuse is extremely rare amongst users and that out of 1,880 users on this site yours is the only tale of woe. Other users here take snuff for pleasure and/or a suitable substitute for smoking and some people, like myself, have also been taking it for a very long time with none of the drama or ill-effects you describe. On the subject of health: Bearing in mind that no substance is safe when it is abused, there was much research into the effect of European nasal snuff on health in the 1970s and, in particular, its use as a substitute for smoking. None of those commissioned findings* could find a verifiable link between disease and European nasal snuff. It was because of this that the EEC (EU) allowed the tobacco intended for snuff manufacture to be exempt from Customs and Excise Duty - the first time since 1590. That happy situation still prevails today. * To name just a few - The Lancet, Cancer Research and the Royal College of Physicians. There is no new scientific evidence from reputable organisations to counter the original findings on European nasal snuff.
Thank you PhilipS. Its good to have our own snuff historian here!
Wow! Some people should stay away from snuff! I personally have to stay away from fatty foods. There are always some who fall so far out of the norm, and it is such an interesting read, really. As a Fanboy, and limited in the amount of nicotine I can ingest, I will carry on. I quit smoking, hard to do, but I do not go out of my way to lecture smokers, their choice really, besides, they know the risks. Worthwhile post, just not worth debating.
Im sinking this. You can still add opinion if you want but for various reasons I think this should drift away now.
As I predicted. Head-in-the-sand. I absolutely agree with the majority opinion on this topic, but the fact that even debating the subject is disallowed is a little sad.
@snuffster: “would you go on a Beatles fan site and debate how much better the Stone’s were? You could but it would just be a tad pointless.” Bad analogy. The Stones were only related to the Beatles in a very broad sense. Better analogy: going on a Beatles fan site and pointing out that George Harrison’s solo albums were shite. (Which they were incidentally).
Even more sad, the mocking “leaving the house” thread. Point taken is that nicotine IS addictive and does take conscious awareness regarding it’s consumption.
Okay, “conscious awareness” is absolutely okay, but, what I read here reminded me of obsession instead.
More like gluttony which is in and of itself deadly.
Nicotine is good.
What gets me is the falseness.
Hey Brad Majors You really have a chip on your shoulders don’t you? I have reasons for sinking this that Im not discussing. You can still add your belligerant unimformed comments. Now shut your fucking mouth.
I back BradLeeMajors in this quarrell, whatever it’s about.