I’ve found that I can partake of snuff all day long, everyday, for weeks at a time. But if I’m busy and don’t have time to snuff or I forget to take some with me, I can go all day without ‘jonesing’ for it. So, how many here can pick up and put down snuff as they please and how many consider themselve’s addicted?

I can get through the day without it, but in the evening I definitely start jonesin’ for it. Nothing like cigarettes though.

I’m 110% addicted…i’m at it all the time, x2 each side three times an hour. i did a couple days last week once an hour but, i was in a muddy trench!

Hello my name is Shooter and I’m an addict!!!

I’m happily addicted, thanks for asking. Stefan

I don’t smoke but do use Swedish snus on a daily basis. I purchased my first tin of Pöschl Packard’s Club a month ago since I have tried about 20 different styles from several different producers Toque, WoS, Dholakia, Bernard’s and of course Pöschl. I now find myself craving snuff and using much less snus, the scent and kick (slight burn) from the snuff is enjoyable. At first I was perplexed and disappointed by the quickly dissipating scents and flavors. I now understand why they don’t last long, if snuff stayed in the nose for a very long time it could wear on the olfactory senses. Am I addicted? I don’t know but I dig snuff.

totaly hooked. I get really grumpy when I don’t snuff. It becomes really hard for me to concentrate when I don’t snuff. I’am very addicted to nicotine.

Thanks for the input, guys. When I smoked cigarettes in high school it didn’t take long for me to realise that I was getting addicted. Fortunately, I had the sense to stop then. But when it comes to products that contain natural nicotine (as opposed to the added garbage in cigarettes) such as pipe tobacco, cigars and snuff, I seem to be able to partake liberally without forming an addiction. I suppose it varies from one person to the next.

I don’t really know. I definitely have a daily ritual of partaking of snuff several times a day, hard to say if it is an addiction. I have plenty of snuff and am in no way forced to not partake so I do not refrain.

Excuse me sir! but I am not an addict, and would very much be willing to argue about this over a couple of couple pinches took two pinches and then I took two more

squarefiend, athe first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. But then again, who wants to recover from snuffing?

I have a nicotine addiction more than a snuff addiction. I consider snuff a pleasant nicotine delivery system, but I also smoke a pipe, cigars, use snus and chew a bit of nicotine gum.

I have a nicotine addiction, definitely. I’ve given up smoking cigarettes and now use snuff and snus exclusively. Some days I snuff a lot (for me - probably about 1-2 grams), sometimes I can go a day or so without any snuff at all, but I am using snus regularly every day (between 3 and 7/8 portions/prillas).

I have a definite nic addiction (former 15-year smoker), and I still do smoke, but only 3-4 cigs a day as opposed to a pack or more. I had quit the cigs for a while, but I’m losing weight for the first time since, well, ever! I find I do need the cigs, but snuff and snus also play a part. I reckon it as, I have definite nic cravings at certain times, and when one strikes I gauge what will suit it best. Sometimes only a cig will do, but the rest of the time it might be either the sloped yet strong bell-curve of a snus, or the 1-2 punch of a pinch of Scotch…

I am most definitely addicted to snuff and snus. But to me this is a much better addiction than cigarettes. At least I breathe better and I don’t stink of smoke!

most definitely, I am a snuff addict. I can get through the day without a snus, but snuff fills my nicotine void. It’s a different addiction than cigarette though… When I smoked, I would RARELY stray away from my ‘home-smoke’, my RYO bali shag. Everyday, smoking the same tobacco, same flavor, same papers, etc. Nothing else. With snuff, I just CANT use the same snuff all day, every day, but rather have a constantly evolving rotation. There are a few snuffs in my daily routine that always seem to be there(honey bee, wos hdt 22, toque lime toast, toque toast&marm, rooster), but every day usually has a different rotation.

Addict here. I can go w/o snuff but like Toffeenose I too am a snus enthusiast. Currently 6-8 portions/day and I snuff for fun or when there isn’t enough time to enjoy a full snus. Like now…it’s Rooster time!

Well, I had to post again here. My 10:00 apt rescheduled for Monday and I’ve got time before my 12:00 to enjoy a snus. After the Rooster I picked up and took a healthy pinch of WoS DHT No.20. Now I have a snus in too. I LOVE TOBACCO.

I’m not addicted. I would just find it physically and mentally painful to stop.

I have to admit nicotine isn’t my only addiction. I’am also addicted to oxygen. In fact I need a constant supply of that stuff, in fact doctors have told me that I would die after only a few minutes without it. I drink water everyday but I could quit that anytime I want I just choose not to becuase I like the way it feels.

bob, you poor soul. You are just proned to addiction , it would appear.

A pinch of General Ekstra Sterk Lös in the upper lip and a pinch of Bernard Brasil Doppelt in the nose (Holy Cow Batman)…

@JustPlainMatt I suppose the only way to find out if you’re addicted would be (and I don’t recommend this and most especially if you are an ex-smoker/chewer who’s moved to here instead)is to stop a while and find out. Personally I would guess if I didn’t know I don’t know that it would be worth going to that extreme to find out. I am a convert from smoking and I do recall at the ripe age of 11 picking up and enjoying my first without a cough or a hitch (both my parents smoked heavily so I pretty much already was ‘defacto smoking’ anyway) how “I’ll never get addicted to this” (Yes, I actually thought that and thought somehow my 11 year old body and being was above or exempt… well I was 11 after all, what can I say? I also thought I should be able to just go live on my own at that age and could absolutely could not see why I couldn’t/11 year olds weren’t allowed.,… but anyway, major digression there) I’m no where near satisfied or confident that I’ll never smoke again (been able to go a week or two at a time before ‘something’ catastrophic invariably comes up requring the complete assurance that I’ll get my calming nicotine in a dose I can count on… though this/last week I had at least one such catastrophe and survived with three pronged response of snus, snuff and revival of the e-cigarette, so there is hope), so I’m just about at the 2 week barrier again right now (please nothing bad happen oh please oh please oh please… I know its a prayer in vain but I make it anyway)… I do think its within my sights… I have considered grinding up the remainder can and a half of NAS’s I have (but just sitting here even talking about it makes me want to smoke some instead… time to remember not romanticized but realistically how rank that cigarette would be in comparison, insert a general mini snus, grab up the NTSU and fire up the m-801 e-cig instead ) @bob I realize I’m really going out on a limb with this, but… by chance do you also happen to be addicted to eating, you know, food? (With this too you’ll really know if you are when you risk ‘death by withdrawal’ from lack of it)

Actually foods that spike insulin are very much addictive. Sugars and simple carbohydrates. Add nicotine to this for a good case of the shakes. Or not.

Seem to me I’m in the minority on this thread. Meaning, most of you appear to be former cigarette smokers (I only did it for a couple years socially back in school) and have replaced that addiction with the much better alternative of snuff. Perhaps I find it hard to get addicted because I was never hooked on any nicotine product before.

I have a theory. Addiction makes the world go round. If people bought just what they need the world economy would tank badly. It is the little luxuries people are addicted to and buy that grease the wheels of commerce, so with all my addictions I am just doing my part for the economy. Just half joking.

The up side of addiction. Who’da thunk?

Reminds me of the military relative giving his “why war is good” speech to Harold in “Harold and Maude” (just before Harold went ballistic at Maude who was posing as a “Peace activist”)

Great movie by the way. Yeah I get really grumpy when I don’t eat for a while. I start lossing weight and feel really weak. It’s nasty. Though I don’t take credit for that one. My parents got me hooked on eating really young, I know this will be hard to believe but they had me eating before I was even a todler. Nachman I have to agree addictions are a very important and viable part of the economy and cultural force as well. Seriously without coffee do you think the world would run the way it does? I’am sure it wouldn’t.

definite addict. General Ekstra Sterk in lip and a snootful of Levi Garrett. …just topped off with a good pinch of McC clove. Yeessss!

Nope, I’m not addicted to snuff at all. Just can’t go without it for to long.

I am one part addicted and second part just love the taste. I’m certainly not giving up snuff anytime soon but it can turn out just like with hookah when I used to smoke quite a lot and then I just slowly stopped liking it and eventually quit.

I’m not addicted to snuff. (Sorry had to take a pinch) I can live without it. (Another boost) It wouldn’t be the end of my world if it all disappeared tomorrow…(Sniff) OK I’m lying. I am addicted to snuff, but not for the nicotine. Snus more than supplies my nic needs. Snuff is more for the scents, the relaxing properties of some snuffs, the memories associated with with some scents, the sheer pleasure of appreciating a masterfully blended snuff.

Ive now managed to stay off cigs full time for the first time ever. Not really through any willpower or anything just that snuff gradually took over completeley as my way of taking tobacco. Im definitley addicted and when I wake up I feel that same urge to pinch as I did to smoke, plus all the other triggers, but the weird thing is that I don’t go insane for a pinch if I happen to leave my snuff at home. That would never have happened with cigs so it leads me to the conclusion that snuffing is a much milder addiction?

Snuff takers are no addicts they are connoisseurs ! /people who appreciate, don’t know if it’s the right word google translate gives it to me/ =D

I sirs am a confirmed nicotine junky, I also have many other issues, I drink too much coffee and sometimes, only sometimes I will start a discussion without using the search feature first… I will quit there. Confession is good for ones soul.

I am addicted , cant live without .

I quit smoking 4 1/2 months ago, haven’t had more that a slight inkling to go back. I appreciate snuff more than I ever even remotely liked cigarettes. Now I have enough snuff to last me through to this time next year… yeah, I’m hooked. Being worried about running out is NOT an issue, so it doesn’t feel like an addition. Maybe I’ll see about skipping a day, then again, probably not.

Addiction is now narrowly defined as “uncontrolled, compulsive use despite harm”; if there is no harm to the patient or another party, there is no addiction. So, it would be a “no” to addiction. It would be a “yes” to compulsive use of snuff, coffee, and sometimes sex…depending upon availibility…lol

“uncontrolled, compulsive use despite harm” For snuff… no. For dip… yes.

A big addict here! Snuff gives me the best satisfaction and enjoyment. I cant live without it.

That’s a terrible definition of addiction. So does that mean Keith Richards who is immune to harm can’t become an addict?

I prefer the I can’t really function without this stuff definition of addiction. Or the ole I feel really bad when I don’t have this stuff.

You can become addicted to non-harmful stuff, like a morning jog for instance. Me, I prefer “obsessed” with snuff, not addicted to.

I call my self a “snuffhead” just like a crack junky would be called a “crackhead” dose that answer anything! lol!!!

Snuff stopped my snus addiction.

I’d say I’m addicted, to a degree, both physically and definitely psychologically.

reminds me of that horrid Robert Palmer song “addicted to love” Which is a much better song if you sub the either the words crack, smack, or snuff.

Snuff is like sex in the nose it never gets old.

bob, the song may be horrid but the video was really great. Addiction is such a loaded word, I’d prefer to think of myself as habituated. It’s all relative. If heroin is a gorilla on your back, cigarettes are maybe a baboon and snuff a baby marmoset.

I used to think I was immune to addictive substances but I now know that to be completely wrong! I am addicted to caffeine, I’m just plain ornery if I don’t get a regular intake! Not so sure about nicotine. I can go through periods of months without touching snuff without any ill effects then start up again. I have never attempted to ‘quit’ taking snuff and until they come up with a study that proves conclusively that snuff causes cancer I don’t believe I will.

@Dave: Did you realize that it sounds, in your comment, like you enjoys sex up the nose?

I’m addicted to buying it (pact will rehab me:(

@ Iggy I know what you mean! My collection got so big I had to throw some of it away!

@Sfingle ha but you know what I mean in the morning is like a “orgasm” for the nose though.

@Dave: Damn good point, man.

This is indeed a question that bothers me a lot since I started to take snuff. I am a former smoker (11 years ago I would have up to 40 cigarettes a day) and I started smoking cigars and the pipe some months ago. (I was - by the way - somehow astonished that it was quite easy not to smoke when there was no opportunity and I have never felt the urge to inhale any smoke yet.) Some weeks ago I (re)discovered snuff and I´m a fan of it now. I do take snuff up to 5 times an hour! and quite big amounts also. And so until recently I was absolutely sure that I was addicted like hell. But some days ago I somehow forgot to snuff for several hours, because I was busy, and… I didn´t feel anything - although - when I think (!) of it, I regularly crave it and I am then sure to be addicted. That is a hint for me that it is not a physical addiction. I´ve been thinking about what I read about snuff users to have the same level of nicotine in their blood as heavy smokers. But I´ve seen people on youtube who go for lines of 9 metres or so. (I´ve already posted that elsewhere.) So, that would be the same thing as to smoke like 100 cigarettes at once, you probably wouldn´t survive it. I believe that these measurements done in a lab have nothing to do with the real thing. By the way, as I am quite well-informed about addiction, did you notice that everyone here is admitting to be addicted or is at least reflecting? One major issue of addiciton is that people concerned deny any addiction. I can´t remember a discussion amongst cigarette smokers asking themselves if they are addicted, if they haven´t already chosen to quit. I´ve heard that quote “If i wanted, I could quit tomorroy right away.” mostly amongst smokers. So, as I wrote this long text here, I once more forgot to snuff and I feel quite relaxed :-). …but I´m looking forward now.

I may be addicted to snuff but it’s certainly not as bad as when I was smoking. I never smoked in my car and could not drive for more than an hour without stopping for a smoke. This past weekend I came back from an upcountry trip and drove for more than 3 hours without snuffing. And I did not “suffer” at all as I would have while I was still smoking. I’ve been at the pc for more than an hour now without taking a pinch. Could not do that while I was smoking. Alcohol is something totally different for me. I’m an alcoholic and won’t touch a drop of alcohol as it would mean committing suicide for me. I quit drinking alcohol on the 24th of December 1993 and that’s why I’m still here to talk about it.

Snus and Snuff aren’t addictions, they are addiction alternatives. That and they get me through most days. Although I still tend to smoke at gigs. Ken

I used to be definitely highly addicted to snuff. I was a social smoker for a period that was approximately 2 years long 2001-2003. Partook in pipes, cigars mostly with a few cigarettes here and there, at most once a week, often less etc. After 2003 I had a handful of cigarettes (like about 20), my last being in 2008. They just made me too wheezy, and the nicotine feeling didn’t last very long at all. I wondered how a single person could want to keep smoking or how it could be addictive. Enter Snuff last year. The habit progressed FAST. I used mostly high nic snuff in huge quantities: we are talking pea sized portion of Dholakia white in each nostril PLUS a mound of Three Thistles strong snorted PLUS 2 or more pinches of NTSU each nostril each time. Sometimes I’d throw in a Fubar or a McChrystals or an Ozona for flavor. I would do this 3-4x a day plus eventually needing smaller (but still huge according to most people’s accounts) doses of toasts or scotches throughout the day. It wasn’t long before I got severe withdrawals! What opened my eyes was around Christmas week 2009, I had chain snuffed all week. It had gotten to the point where I was immune and just chasing the nic dragon. When I woke up late Christmas morning, guests came and I got distracted, didn’t have the chance to go and get my morning fix. At first I thought it was mostly psychological. I thought I could beat it by ignoring it… no sir! I became so sick: shakes, nausea, cold sweats. I was gripped by severe, and I mean SEVERE malaise with anxiety, feeling like doom was forever going to ruin my life and I would be lucky if I died quickly and didn’t live. My muscles were so weak, I remember trying to cut Salami and dropping the knife several times. It felt like the worst flu of my life times three with the most helpless anxiety I ever suffered, and I am not an anxious person. I thought I could stave it off, it kept getting worse. People were starting to notice my ashen complexion and asked me if I was OK. I excused myself to the shower to “freshen up”. I took my morning shower as usual, and did the largest snuff of my life to last me the day, the snuff to end all snuffs, my attempt at intentional nicotine overdose. It got me through until the late afternoon… At that point I had enough. I slowly tapered myself using just Dholakia White as needed for withdrawals, enjoying my others only on weekends. I thought I could limit myself, but in order to get the rush you have to endure such prolonged withdrawals as to not be worth it. And I can’t just take a small pinch of Ozona for a day or to so I can go back to my nic overloads. So I decided to taper, prolonged my snuffing as long as I could without losing my mind. My family noticed how irritable I had gotten, but I wanted to be free. Slowly the nic fits got less severe and I could go longer and longer… 3 snuffs a day…2 snuffs a day… 1 snuff a day. Then I stopped. Next day I felt a bad one come on around dinner time and then, within an hour, it subsided, and I was free. It was the last nic fit I ever felt or will allow myself to be in the position to ever feel, 4th of March 2010. After 2 months of that hell, I made it to snuff free. I still have a large collection of high nic snuffs in which I partake maybe 1-2x a month. Other than that, I have not snuffed regularly in almost over 7 months. I even left the country over the summer, didn’t bring any snuff because I knew I would be on vacation and have enough spare time to do 2 cans of NTSU each day and get super addicted again. I felt like I wanted some here and there, but didn’t regret not bringing it. The thing for me is this: snuff could be bad for you, we just don’t know or have enough evidence to be sure. And while the nic rush is incredible for pleasure, relaxation, energy, work and focus if you use enough of the right snuffs, you become tolerant too fast, and it is replaced by pain out of proportion to the pleasure you initially got from it. I still enjoy snuff sometimes and read this forum for “therapy”, but despite thinking of and wanting to partake in snuff basically every day I would never want to end up where I was. I know if I allowed myself to snuff more than once a month as a special treat, I would literally be like those youtube kids snorting an entire 4.65oz box of Bruton’s all at once once an hour every hour every day… and I don’t want to be like that because of the short term and uncertain long term consequences. Please notice I am not addictive in other ways, have not tried any drugs, and am not a heavy drinker etc. But snuff, I have an addiction problem to it long after the withdrawals stopped… it is to pathologic, epic levels that I dare not repeat. If ever a case study for over the counter (as opposed to pure leaf) tobacco overdose were to exist, if left unchecked, I would probably succumb. Enough said, thanks for reading!

@nicola037 What you write, is terrifying me. However, the symptoms, you describe, definitely are in line with a depressive symptomatology, you even thought of ending your life, if I get that right. The matter, if one get addicted easily or not, very much depends on ones personality. I consider myself to be very vulnerable at that point, and I´ve also been concerned because of my amounts of snuff I have in one day increasing so rapidly. But the amounts you describe - man, I´m far away from that. Right now I feel to have reached some form of “steady state”, even decreasing a little. I take snuff every half an hour or so, a pea to each nostril. Sometimes it´s less often, perhaps once an hour. I take your story as a warning, not to overdo it. However, as I am already addicted, I guess, I am under no circumstances willing to quit. I think, what in a certain way “protects” me, is that I am easily bothered by my nose getting stuffed up, if I take snuff too often. Also the permanent feeling of debris in my nose sometimes annoys me. Well, however, I have to be cautious - I guess. I consider snuff not to be completely harmless, I consider it to be a drug still. By the way. I am a very heavy Coffee - Drinker. I once tried to stop drinking any drinks containing caffeine. I did not manage it. I did manage to stop smoking 10 years ago but coffee - no chance. I felt like hell, I was depressed, had severe headaches, was practically unable to move. “Tired” is not at all the right word for it. Even caffeine is a drug. One more thing: Do you know the book: “Is attachment an addictive disorder?” I haven´t read it, but I know for the author to come to the conclusion that it is indeed one. And I have seen people die because of the loss of somebody. So, in the end, addiction is very common amongst men in every day life. The question ist just: Which one do you chose, and which one can you perhaps easily avoid. Thanks for your story, it really made me think…

For the record, I was not thinking of killing myself. Rather, to describe the feeling, imagine that you were about to die, sick enough to die, from a cause that allowed you to remain conscious and alert enough to know it. That would be one of the worst feelings in the world, and it was definitely how I felt that day. My life has had its ups and downs emotionally and mentally (more ups than downs thankfully), as has my health (again, more ups than downs). However, I have to say that while I have experienced a fairly wide range of experiences, I can say with full certainty that very moment was probably the very worst of my life, by a longshot. Mind you, it was only christmas week that I was really chainsnuffing like crazy, and my usual consumption would be 2-4 huge sessions each day with more on the weekends), with smaller (but still significant) doses throughout the day of a scotch/toast/dholakia white. However, the 3 days before Christmas I had blown through 2 NTSU black’s along with a 4g of DWhite, a 4g of DBlack, and plenty of other goodies including half a smash tub or Rooster, some FUBAR. Too much. I am not an addictive person. I barely drink coffee. I have alcohol every day… about 1-2 glasses of wine at most. But this, I was not prepared for this. I think I could get back into snuffing knowing the lesson because I was able to taper from that horrendous state with self control, but seriously, to me it’s not worth it. With nicotine, the more you do, the more you have to do, and sadly the less you feel. When you want to get the buzz back, you have to scale back in such a way that is not necessarily that painful, but so negatively affects my humor that it can damage my job, my loved ones, and ultimately my sanity. I am not certain that snuff is harmless, I think this is just a convenient rationalization based on lack of evidence or junk science tobacco research more than any real knowledge. I am not saying smoking is as bad, worse than cigarettes or anything in between. I think the honest answer is “humanity currently doesn’t know”. But I do know it has a lot of carcinogens, especially the high nic snuffs I like (it has to, many are nicotine derived from curing!), and that nicotine itself accelerates vascular disease, something to which I am already vulnerable. If snuff were harmless I would never not have a nose (and mouth and ears and eyes and stomach) full. But I don’t think anyone can be so sure, and unlike so many of the dangers in life, it is an additional possible risk (therefore uncertainty) that is very easy to avoid by just not doing it. What other people do is their business, I make no recommendations. I am just sharing my story so that others can read and decide for themselves. While still interested in the topic, and browsing this forum to get my kicks so I don’t reach for the tin, I have pretty much decided toat for ME it is not worth this uncertainty. if I want nice smells, my wife is an awesome cook and I have a delightful wine collection (albeit more expensive than snuff). These I do enjoy and smell more after I stopped. Lastly IMHO the buzz, while sensational, gets immune too fast and isn’t worth it.

This all sounds a bit kooky to me. I’ve been through nicotine withdrawl many times in life and the sypmtoms were nothing on the scale of what you describe.

Snuff is the safest thing I’ve ever done. As I told my wife after I wrestled with quitting cigs after 20 + years…I will NOT quit snuff! I’ve finally been able to stop this smoking after all these years and strange ideas of HOW to quit. The highs and lows between being satisfied with a cigarette and craving the next one were much more severe with me than anything I’ve experienced with snuff. Snuff is very evenkeeled for me. No more sore throats… no more smell… no more cig burns, second hand smoke… and strangely enough, out of 6 people in my house, the one who snuffs religiously has not had so much as a cold in the past year. Someone please explain the downside of snuff to me!

You can do anything to excess. This site is not about debating snuffs safety, Its a fan site. The grown ups here use snuff because they like it and come here to talk about their hobby.

The biggest downside of snuff is kurtosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurtosis Since we don’t really know how safe snuff is (trust me, very well versed in science, most of the articles are junk, inaccurate, cooked up, or biased), there is high uncertainty. On one end is you happily snuff ever after without anything bad ever happening. On the other are tobacco related illnesses worse than cigarettes. You can make all the tobacco related rationalizations you ever want, science does not know if snuff is safe or not, nor if it is safer than smoking. We just don’t know. I’ve seen too many people suffer horridly from tobacco related illnesses to do this any more. I fell into it because I was dumb, because I was burned out, exhausted. I was falling behind on work, not sleeping, short with my family. I remember some of the stimulating effects nicotine had as a younger man (but only briefly), so I personally did snuff only for the nicotine. I needed something to help me finish my work late at night and keep me from nodding off from fatigue because I was so busy; it wore off quickly, I needed more and more, and the result was awful. That has passed, and I have realized that the short term tonic effects are not worth it. Before I was totally detoxed, but at a much lower tolerance level, I even considered low dose snuffing and I did it for a few weeks, but it wasn’t the same, the thrill just wasn’t there. Not much nic buzz, wierd scents in my nostrils that were entertaining, but not as good as the really nice scents I have come to love. OK, so fine, some people like the scent of snuffs XYZ, is it worth taking the risk? If snuff was nicotine free, I don’t think anyone would be making rationalizations around this. Having quit, I personally feel much better. I am not coughing, sneezing, have a nasal voice, cranky half the time, need a drug just to get through the day or worry about cancer or heart disease happening earlier than it might. I don’t see why anyone would want to use tobacco moderately, or heavily, or at all in any form. Moderately you don’t get much out of it. Don’t tell me snuff smells good! There are so many scents that you can enjoy that don’t destroy your olfaction or give you such uncertainty of risk. Just try stopping to snuff for a few months and see how much more and better everything smells! Candles, incense, food, wine, your significant other’s genitals… anything! This is a website for snuff, yes. I think that it is too engrossed in the rationalizations and I also think the merchants themselves are very vague and misleading about their presentation as a “healthier alternative to smoking”. I tell my pesonal story not only for the downsides, but to alert people that the downsides are not known, and you are basically gambling when you use any tobacco form. And as much as you think you don’t want to stop now because “I am happier with snuff”, wait until they irradiate your skull, throat, neck, abdomen, whatever and nearly kill you with chemotherapy. And then you spend 2 years slowly wasting away in and out of a cancer ward… or cardiac ward, or taking expensive meds, or kidney failure etc. Is it worth it when so much of life is so wonderful, offers so many good scents, offers so much satisfaction that doesn’t have anything to do with self medication? Trust me, anyone who says it is worth it has never seen what I have, has never seen a cancer ward, dialysis unit, seen someone slowly die of heart disease etc etc etc. After having tried snuff for a while I can honestly say it was not a good decision and I am man enough to own up to that and admit my fault. I own up to it and take responsibility. But I feel the need to assist others because the information out there is nonexistent, or total crap. I am happy to say this because there is so much dis- or lack of information out there on nasal snuff. It is just one perspective, but to have a forum on a topic with only positive and no room for the negative is just plain ignorant. It’s one thing to be a troll, another to offer differing but valid points of view so the general public looking up the topic can make up their own minds. How friggin’ decent would an internet forum be if everyone agreed and said the same thing? Consider that maybe if I had read a like minded individual 18 months ago posting this kind of stuff, I never would have done it… but then I would have missed out on the learning that I did. So in a sense even this negative experience made me a better person, not only to know myself better, but to know the dark side of something to avoid it and advise my children to avoid it. Just my 2 cents for the public. I respect anyone who thinks tobacco addiction is worth it, but based on personal experience mixed with expert knowledge of the subject matter I feel that decision to use tobacco is made on lack of information or flawed disinformation that teases the rationalizing part of your brain, including for snuff. You just don’t know. And someone deserves to know this beyond the “yah it’s safe, yah it’s great”. Good luck and best wishes!

You’re in the wrong place for this type of debate. As I said - this is a fan site. Apart from the fact that most people won’t read a thread as long as yours, the people here are here because we share a hobby we enjoy - if anyone wants to research the issues there is a big WWW out there. It may be harmful, who truly knows? We are all adults and have decided to use snuff for whatever reason; we really don’t need your help in this becasue its a F-A-N site! Good luck and all the best to you too.

nicola037 is starting to sound like the guy who works for the chewing gum company at the start of Clerks.

hell, I think more damage was done to me by reading the definition of “kurtosis”… my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I now have the desire for a single malt scotch and a pinch of Bruton to clear it up.

nikola037 has valid reasons for quitting snuff. I applaud his decision. I probably would quit as well if I were given to that kind of self abuse. Snuff is not water, though even enough of that can certainly kill you. It deserves to be respected and used responsibly. If one’s unrelenting and seemingly uncontrollable consumption is causing such misery, quitting is certainly the only to deal with it. I count myself as fortunate in that I can snuff a few times a day and enjoy it without craving more. I can skip a day or two and suffer no ill effects. Oh now and then I have a heavy session, but I am not powerless but to do so every day. And snuffster has it right, this is a fan site. I certainly don’t think it makes many friends for nikola037 to be posting his message here, but he has the right to express himself and to accept with good grace the derision that kind of message will surely generate here. Nikola037, I take what you say at face value and I know you are trying to warn us of dangers. Thank you! If you find your resolve weakening, feel free to pm me and I will give you an address where you can send your stash of snuffs for safe disposal.

yeah we don’t know if snuff is safe. True we do know that if there is any danger it is minmal. Why because of science o.k… Because of looking at averages of disease between life time users and non-tobacco users. With oral tobacco even the dangers are minmal. There is clearly no evidence of any significant increase in cancer of any sort with nasal snuff users. Remember nasal snuff isn’t new and that even though not popular it still in some countries has significant users base which does not have an elevated level of cancer compared to non tobacco users. Smokers have heart disease not from nicotine but from absorbing incredible amounts of tars which do enter the blood stream and from inhaling large amounts of carbon monoxide which does cause hardening of the arteries which leads to heart disease. Lumping all tobacco with smoking is scientificaly insane and inaccurate.

and with all things always ask who do you work for.

Oh, I thought Kurtosis was going to be a graphic site with pictures of a feller’s nose drooping off from excessive snuff use… Just a wheat penny and some Greek on there. I took Latin as a boy for 5 years and most our stories revolved around “Puella et agricola ambulant in the silvam” .( The girl and the farmer walked in the forest.) I believe sentences like this gave me my wild imagination and thirst for declining…but I’m getting off subject \\I can see your concern, Nicola, but I’ve been bedside with a couple loved ones who died a slow death from cancer. Not pretty, but they were 100% sure it was caused by smoking, from the evidence. For me, this helped me quit smoking. There will always be a probability of anything . Enjoy our short lives here.

“You’re in the wrong place for this type of debate.” I’d have to disagree with that. This is probably the premier newsgroup for nasal snuff-takers. Where else would a discussion of the possible dangers of snuff take place ? The claim that the newsgroup must be only a “fan site” seems a little head-in-the-sand. Having said that, I’d also have to disagree with nicola037’s assertion that “science does not know if snuff is safe or not, nor if it is safer than smoking. We just don’t know.” I think we do know with some certainty that it’s safer than smoking due to the nature of the various carcinogenic toxins released when tobacco (or indeed many other things) is combusted. Give snuff up if you like but you’re wrong to imply that it may be equally as dangerous as other forms of tobacco use.

People can debate however they want, part of my debate was expressing the fact that this is a fan site. Fan sites by their very nature concentrate on the shared enjoyment of a hobby. Sure you can express the dangers of whatever the subject is but that will tend towards being a minor discussion. Maybe the analogy of ‘we’re having a party don’t tell us booze is bad for us’ is clearer. Not head in the sand at all. I would never close a thread like this - as long as it doesn’t turn into abuse etc - but would you go on a Beatles fan site and debate how much better the Stone’s were? You could but it would just be a tad pointless.

@NICOLA 037, what are you trying to say? Blaming snuff for what YOU did?

@Nicola037, what you have said is so true. The same goes for Coka Cola, brandy, wine, sweet corn, chocolates, rice, peanuts, potatoes, coffee, tea, bread, Tab, oranges, cigars, pork, chicken, Turkish Delight, olive oil, nail polish, Brasso, Dettol, Palm Olive soap, tooth paste, vinegar, water, hamburgers, New York Times, sex, perfume, foam baths, Vicks, Roly Poly, bubble gum, church, bioscope, swimming, muff diving, masturbating, kissing, singing, knitting, walking, football, salt, pepper, pickles, giving birth, sleeping, haircuts and about 1,236,890 other things. To much of any of the above mentioned, plus the other 1,236,890, will harm you. It is common knowledge. But thanks, in any case, for reminding us.

@pieter: My thoughts exactly, thanks for saving me a lot of writing

You know, a high percentage of people that write essay length posts end up getting banned? You tend to notice as a mod. Trolls and the unwell alike seem drawn to doing it: trolls because its fun, the unwell because everything is either a conspiracy or out to get them, and the massive posts seem like some kind of way of dealing with the fears. No sympathy for trolls, lots for the latter.

One of the advantages of living long is that I have outlived all my enemies. One of the disadvantages is that I have outlived all my friends. Tobacco is the only constant companion i have had through all these years, and I don’t want to loose it.

@ nicola037 “I fell into it because I was dumb, because I was burned out, exhausted.” You talk about depressive symptoms again and about “self - medication”. I dare to say, I know a lot about mental disorders and addiction. As I always say to my patients: If you do it for fun, it´s quite okay, if you are aware of the risk, but never ever do it to cure anything. Well, I´m usually talking about alcohol then. I find it quite amazing that someone brings together snuff and self - medication. There are so many other things that would work so much better :-). You wouldn´t probably need that big amounts then. (Note that I don´t want to offend you, please take that as a joke!) I don´t agree with you saying that there is so much dis- or lackinformation on the health risks of snuff. The studies, I´ve seen were done by the WHO and there are many others that agree on the fact that snuff is definitely safer than smoking. What matters to me is that you say, you feel BETTER without snuff. Well, then, you´re free not to take snuff and you do not at all have to justify. I feel better WITH snuff, so I just keep doing it, but I don´t think that it is all harmless. @ Pieter: As I already said, even personal attachment is an addictive disorder.

I don’t see how kurtosis fits into this either since there is no evidence of harm. Also I disagree with what Pieter said about foam baths.

Nicola037 Oh my goodness, what a palaver. If crack-cocaine or heroin was substituted for snuff in your description of the horrors of drug addiction then your experience sounds more plausible. We all know that nicotine is addictive. However, I suspect most people find it difficult to reconcile snuff taking with the images conjured up by dramatic words and phrases such as “detox, chasing the nic dragon, horrors of the cancer ward, lucky if I died quickly and didn’t live, ashen complexion” et cetera ad nasueum. You, of your own admission, sought not to use snuff, but to eagerly abuse it in the most extreme way you could devise, and then suffered the consequences. If you go looking for trouble and find it then the fault lies with yourself and not with snuff. Seek, sayeth the good book, and ye shall find. You should accept that such abuse is extremely rare amongst users and that out of 1,880 users on this site yours is the only tale of woe. Other users here take snuff for pleasure and/or a suitable substitute for smoking and some people, like myself, have also been taking it for a very long time with none of the drama or ill-effects you describe. On the subject of health: Bearing in mind that no substance is safe when it is abused, there was much research into the effect of European nasal snuff on health in the 1970s and, in particular, its use as a substitute for smoking. None of those commissioned findings* could find a verifiable link between disease and European nasal snuff. It was because of this that the EEC (EU) allowed the tobacco intended for snuff manufacture to be exempt from Customs and Excise Duty - the first time since 1590. That happy situation still prevails today. * To name just a few - The Lancet, Cancer Research and the Royal College of Physicians. There is no new scientific evidence from reputable organisations to counter the original findings on European nasal snuff.

Thank you PhilipS. Its good to have our own snuff historian here!

Wow! Some people should stay away from snuff! I personally have to stay away from fatty foods. There are always some who fall so far out of the norm, and it is such an interesting read, really. As a Fanboy, and limited in the amount of nicotine I can ingest, I will carry on. I quit smoking, hard to do, but I do not go out of my way to lecture smokers, their choice really, besides, they know the risks. Worthwhile post, just not worth debating.

Im sinking this. You can still add opinion if you want but for various reasons I think this should drift away now.

As I predicted. Head-in-the-sand. I absolutely agree with the majority opinion on this topic, but the fact that even debating the subject is disallowed is a little sad.

@snuffster: “would you go on a Beatles fan site and debate how much better the Stone’s were? You could but it would just be a tad pointless.” Bad analogy. The Stones were only related to the Beatles in a very broad sense. Better analogy: going on a Beatles fan site and pointing out that George Harrison’s solo albums were shite. (Which they were incidentally).

Even more sad, the mocking “leaving the house” thread. Point taken is that nicotine IS addictive and does take conscious awareness regarding it’s consumption.

Okay, “conscious awareness” is absolutely okay, but, what I read here reminded me of obsession instead.

More like gluttony which is in and of itself deadly.

Nicotine is good.

What gets me is the falseness.

Hey Brad Majors You really have a chip on your shoulders don’t you? I have reasons for sinking this that Im not discussing. You can still add your belligerant unimformed comments. Now shut your fucking mouth.

I back BradLeeMajors in this quarrell, whatever it’s about.

I say calm down everyone. Calm down. I really don’t think Mr Majors sees the critical point about why this should be a sink and why nick-cola is full of it. Which makes a critical diffrence in opinion. Imagine for second how this would look if you thought there was a grain of truth in the statement that started the “buzz” on this thread. And conversely to anyone that doesn’t see the reason this thread is being sunk try to realize that it’s really obvious with the right information that the most likely thing happening in the infamous statement is intentional slander of snuff (specficly). So all I’am saying is let’s not let this go further. Try to see the other person has a point that makes sense from where they are sitting (it seems to me to be so). Yes both points could have been made more civily for certain. Lets all say sure they have a point I don’t see and it’s not worth it to care who’s fault it is. Or whatever. Just my suggestion for a reduced aggrivation. P.s. I’ll admit I thought of flaming but changed my mind.

George’s stuff was better than the Beatles.

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For me, addiction is that I am powerless over whatever, and that my life has become unmanageable as a result. I injected opiates into my veins for a couple of years and I am almost certain that nicotine will not cause the misery that I put myself through during those, not so happy times! Is it bad for my health? It is probably not very good for me, but then again, nothing that is used abusively is. Is it going to make my life unmanageable? I cannot see this ever happening!