I am really quite surprised. No Italians nor Frechs here? Let us know your opinions. Cheers to you all fellows, Pedro

Oh…unfortunately, the time with no answer at all, confirm my opinion…no Frenchs nor Italians.

Oh, Samorost is French…well I would like to know if exists French and Italian snuff brand nowadays. Only for the interest of the Forum. Cheers to you all, Pedro

I think it is due to the fact, that most of these people do not speak English very well. It is quite common amongst these south-european nations. I encountered same problem in Greece and Spain. During my pilgrimage with some spanish youths I realized, that my Spanish after two years of education was on very same level as their English, which they had been learning for 12 years (well, some of them). The bigger and more visited country is the less level of English you can expect, because they expect you to know their language.

I agree with you xsys, but if you want to travel through the world you need to speak at least English and also Spanish. Here in Spain the level of English is,nowadays, growing up, but between people of my age is very rare to find some with a regular English level. Cheers , Pedro

all of the younger spainards I’ve known speak accectable english. If I rember correctly there was one french person on the list (I maybe imagineing this) I think he said that there are not french snuff companies and that all tobacco is heavily controled in france (includeing what kinds you can stock in a store) and hence the snuff selection is terrible. I may be rembering this wrong but… P.s. my mothers maiden name is Yunnunzio which is italian so I’am sort of Itallian. I’ve read somewhere that Italy and Spain have similar percentages of snuff users with the biggest being German then English (again this is from the top of my head).

Yes Bob, in Spain is very hard to find people who take snuff. I know only three countrymen that have this lovely habbit. But is a shame, you know Spain was one of the most famous countries snuff makers. And in my town, Sevilla, exists the wolrd biggest snuff factory in the entire world ( XVII,XVIII and XIX Centuries). And also Italy was till little time a very important snuff makers, for example Leccesse, Sant’Antonino, Sun di Espagna…etc, were very fine and excellents snuff brands. Good Night from Spain. Pedro

I rember about two years ago being suprised when I would met spainish people that I would have to explain what I was taking, though usaly they would keep taking pinches and exclaim they would take up the habit. (at that time I was making my own snuffs which only three of do I really still like and need to find a better base tobacco for. My favorites were creamy peppermint [bergamot and peppermint], black pepper [suprisingly great actualy though hard to convince people to try a pinch and camphor bergamot little tiny amount of camphor lots of bergamot.)

Comment ça va mon ami?..Enchanté de trouver un français ici…a votre disposition.

Hmmmmmm, interesting! Good find there

There were a few on the first list that I hadn’t heard of. Some being san’Giustina, Sun Di Spagna, Zenziglio, La Nationale. They did have san’Antonino on there.

Here I am, from Italy

Pleased to meet you Lore79! So now that you have resurrected this thread, please tell us all you can about Italian snuff!

Ciao Lore! Mi chiamo Riccardo, come stai? haha ok thats about all the Italian I can remember at the moment from lessons long ago Yes tell us about the types of snuff in Italy please?? Is it popular over there? ps Fiorentina are doing very well this season huh! Montolivo is awesome. (sorry if your not a football fan)

French Canadian? Je mes souviens…

Im Anglo Italian (best of both worlds)

io sono italiano

Italian snuff… first and sad thing: There is no Italian snuff still in production, It was six: Leccese, Macubino, La Nazionale, Sun di spagna, Zenziglio and Santa Giustina. All of this tobaccos are very dry but zenziglio, macubino and la nazionale are dark, and Sun di spagna, leccese and S.Giustina are bright. About flavors I have only snuffed Sun di spagna and macubino… well first is more similar to hight dry toast from F&T, but more long lasting and munch more fine, the second is granulous, black and brasil based, like some bernard or mulens…

I tried mentolino, but I don’t like it. La Nazionale mentolated version? First time here I hear about it, and no idea what’s FTB can stand for…

ITALIAN snuffer…reviewed DHOLAKIA SNUFF as below:would like to share with members who can read below ; ECCO LA MIA RECENSIONE SUL SITO TABACCO DA FIUTO.IT http://tabaccodafiuto.forumfree.net/?t=37227206 Stamane sono arrivati nella ormai inconfondibile confezione-pacchetto di stoffa ricucita 6 nuovi ‘Gratis-Probe’ da Dholakia, la veloce e lungimirante casa indiana del Gujarat. Ecco i gusti: -COCONUT TOFFEE: Si sente un soave aroma di cocco…la mia impressione è ‘burrosa, molto morbida e delicata’. Immaginatevi sulla spaiggia d’estate sotto l’ombrellone con questo buon tabacco nel naso mentre fate un pisolo o leggete un giornale…Cocco Bello Coccoooo!!! -APPLE PIE: La torta di mele: si sente un potente aroma di mela e di Chiodo di Garofano, dove stà di casa la torta non è lecito sapere, ma non andiamo troppo per il sottile. Buono, anzi ottimo! -AMERICAN CARAMEL: Fin da bambino piccolo per me uno dei massimi gusti dolciari è stato il Creme Caramele! Questo tabacco dolcissimo e godibilissimo sà di…budino al Creme Caramele, con tanto di lacrima di caramello alla sommità. Per me che ho problemi di peso, la bella sicurezza di non ingrassare nemmeno un grammo! -CAFFE’ CREME: Drammatica la differenza con il medesimo gusto della Jaxon: questo tabacco indiano aromizzato al caffè è straordinario, sembra un gelato al caffè cremoso, dolce. Persistente, eh! -ROASTED NUT: Il meno appariscente dei sei tabacchi di prova. Buono, questo si’, al primo assaggio viene in mente una nocciolina torrefatta delle bancarelle delle fiere patronali delle mie parti, ma non troppo marcato il gusto, sotto subito viene fuori il sapore del tabacco-base Dholakia, inconfondibile, per me 100.000 più buono del tabacco-base Mc Christal e Wilson. FRUIT CAKE WITH VANILLA: Dolcetto e gradevole, questo tabacco ha un aroma indefinito, ma può piacere, ed anche tanto nei momenti noiosi della giornata. In definitiva sei ottimi prodotti che vale la pena provare. Dholakia si stà davvero imponendo come una seria e dinamica ditta anche da noi in Europa, e i suoi prodotti, sebbene piuttosto ‘particolari’ rappresentano ormai un ottima alternativa ai tabacchi europei, ed i prezzi sono abbastanza onesti.

Wow Namrata, how many languages do you speak?

Ok I get it, Namrata was cutting and pasting from the Italian board. I wish some of those guys who also speak English would visit more often. We need more representation from outside US/UK.

thanks BB!

I’m laughing on the inside.

why laughing?

Good point! I should be crying.

no ! but smiling…

Mentolino…Italian snuff

I am Italian (much to my chagrin), and I can tell you that Mentolino isn’t sold in Italy (but it’s sold in Switzerland, which might make it more available to Italians). As for the snuffs sold in Italy, it’s simple: we have a thing called “Monopoli di Stato” that is the sole arbiter of alcohol and tobacco products (no firearms =)). They only import a few Poeschls (most of the Ozona line, I’d say), and they still manufacture the last two surviving Italian sorts - Santa Caterina Rosso and Santa Caterina Blu (if I remember correctly) - but you’ll have a hard time buying them from a tobacconist, and you’ll have to order them specifically. Which is what I’m planning on doing soon =)

@pgcd: You should do a large purchase so that we can buy it from you Group buy maybe?

@cstokes: it looks like it’s only sold in 200g boxes, with ten 20g bags each (or twenty 10g =)), so I should be able to send a bag to anybody who wishes to try it. Tonight I’ll ask the tobacconist and I’ll be able to report back tomorrow.

Sounds good, pgcd. I am sure that you will have no problems unloading them.

count me in!!

I’d be interested myself. Of course, some of us may just have to see if the state monopoly will ship direct to us if we really like it.

I’d love to try this! Good luck

I would be ecstatic to be counted in. I hope that being new would not hinder consideration…

Me too if it gets off the ground

I talked to the very nice tobacconist lady and ordered two 200g boxes - sadly, though, they’ll only arrive friday 8 Oct, because it looks like the guy from the monopoly who actually takes the orders does so only weekly, and delivers the next week. Anyway, as soon as I get the tobacco, I’ll be glad to send you guys samples, there should be enough for everyone =) @shikitohno: that would be my course of action too, but I suspect private citizens cannot even talk to the monopoly representatives or something like that. You should know that Italy is, along with North Korea, the last bastion of Socialist bureaucracy =) What we *can* do is, if they want to, I’ll send a sample to MrSnuff and any other reseller - and if they like it, perhaps they’ll be able to arrange for shipments. I’m not counting on the feasibility of this, though…

@Pgcd: I’m willing to reimburse you for a packet.

Thanks, pgcd. I’m confused. It comes in boxes, bags or tins (plastic tubs)? They are 10g in size?

I’d pay for a sample as well! It comes in bags then?

Sorry guys, I guess I as talking about it in the other thread… Anyway, it comes in 200g boxes, which should contain 20g bags - using “should” here because I haven’t seen it in a while. I’ll be able to give more info once I have it, of course - in the meanwhile, I suppose I can start by telling you that the tobacco itself is very cheap (18€/200g) so the only thing I might need to be reimbursed for would be the shipping costs if they are high - otherwise it’ll be my pleasure to share one of the few (possibly) good things my stupid country has to offer =)

I’m French [don’t hold it against me please] and my wife is Italian. Do we quality? I don’t mind paying for a sample at all. Please let me know.

@pgcd: I am sure that you will have no problem getting donations for shipping.

Its okay PP, I’ve French blood in me as well. I’m stoked. I’d donate for shipping. This is all VERY kind of you, pgcd.

Pretty cool state monopoly, actually did what they are obliged by law: serve the customer via retailer. Our private monopolies simply don’t do that.

@pgcd: So its the Mentolino you are ordering? The one you showed us is in a tub/tin.Santa Caterina: this one I know comes in bags.

I was originally Italian and for a while straddled the US and Italy, but now I have long since decided to work in the States. There is just no comparison. Italy is a nice place to visit, but all ideas of the “Dolce vita” are dead. The average Italian is twice as overworked, and twice as stressed as the average American because their wage is about 40% what it would be in the states for a 40 hour work week, but the cost of living is a lot more. The socialized system is broke and doesn’t pay for hardly anything anymore, they have found loopholes to screw the honest taxpayer. If you want to do any more than live in swelteringly hot public housing packed like sardines, you have to work a 2nd job under the table. It’s a totally crooked system: Italy I believe has more laws than any other country in the world, and nowhere else do people flaunt them so viciously. Unless of course, you are an honest person, in which case you get dinged every time even if you did no wrong. And the last 10 years have been very harsh ones for Italy and its economy, stuck back with a psychology that dates back 500 years that refuses to change despite being more and more unfit for the modern world. There is an Italian snuff forum that I have lurked upon. I adore it ( google “tabacco da fiuto” if curious). Maybe I can empathize more with my countrymen, but I am sad to say that no online translator could do it justice. There is one guy on there named Sattolo who was a former tobacconist in Italy who is probably the most frequent, most knowledgeable, and overall the best poster of all. Despite his articulate, accurate, wise and often humorous comments (the best of which is the forum accepted term of “equine pinches” to mean a heaping, bigger than usual portions, as in “enough to fill a horse’s nose”) he has some very harsh criticisms about Italy, as do others on the forum. His comments about why he gave up his tobacco shop, observations about the absurdity of regulations, as to why he gave up being a small businessman are very telling. He laments why he had to give up his tobacco store, and how much he would love to but never be able to open up and run a specialty tobacco store, even in brick and mortar terms, never mind online. For one, the moderation is heavy handed about having to be very, very careful with comments (less so now as people are “trained”). Internet in Italy is more regulated than here. Moderators are constantly dissuading people from posting about snuffs acquired abroad or even asking about the whole process. Italian google itself is very poor at finding things that the law, very arbitrary in nature, does not approve of, and you can *ONLY* use Italian google. All the ISP’s will redirect you to google.it even if you type in another country’s google. The authorities are listening, and under Napoleonic do not need to charge you with anything to literally arrest you for a life term! This actually happens, so many honest people go to jail without a charge as there is no habeas corpus. Keep in mind Italy was ranked I think 78th country in the world in terms of economic freedom, between Cape Verde and Turkey, two more or less third world countries the latter of which is basically run under martial law. If you ever visit Turkey, notice you are never not in sight of a machine gun nest/army observation post, particularly in the side roads in the middle of nowhere. So yes, I highly recommend a visit to Italy, but I honestly feel bad for anyone still living there that is not a politician, megawealthy, or somehow… “connected”… usually the three are synonymous.

Nicola037, Thanks for the brief but revealing insight on Italy and Italian tobacco trade. It was very enlightening.

@nicola037 - you can actually use google.com if you ask google for it (just click on “use google.com in english”) - the .it redirect helps google with traffic optimization etc =) As for the rest, I’ve lurkerd the forum you mention a few times but, honestly, it’s not my cup of tea. First, the whole idea of “sending snuff via mail is illegal” is plainly absurd, and even if it was an actual rule/regulation, there is simply no way it can be enforced, so I don’t see why the whole board should be tiptoeing around online stores. Second, as you say, the moderation is way too heavy handed - if you’d see the site I used to run, I’d see why that really doesn’t agree with me. Complete agreement on the rest of your post, of course. @Xander: I’m ordering the two S. Caterina sorts (hopefully, I’ve been warned the monopoly guy is not exactly accurate in his deliveries). The Mentolino is actually what you supposed (the other other other other Wilson or something) - interesting but not something I’d order a pound of.

@ Pgcd: Ok, thank you for clearing that up. I’m equally anxious to try Santa Caterina (both the red and blue varieties). I appreciate your efforts in this.

Just wanted to say I’d quite like some of this snuff and will gladly cover postage. Looks interesting, to say the least.

My hands are sweating to try the Santa Caterina! Anyone else think that it’s made by Poeschl?

@Pgcd: I think you should make a list of those interested, and make a suggested donation to you.

I’ll front up some cash to try these snuffs, so count me in

@cstokes: it *used* to be manufactured in Italy, but perhaps things have changed - we’ll find out soon enough. As for the list, I’d rather wait to see what the nice tobacconist lady (NTL, from now on) actually receives, so that I can figure out how to share. Of course, you guys who replied here will have precedence, and I can always order some more if needed.

I only think that it’s made by Poeschl due to the packaging. It’s almost identical to the bagged snuffs that Poeschl makes.

It is made by Pöschl. Its in their display case at the Intertabac booth on Filek’s photos. It has a special note about where it can be sold on it!

@pgcd I tried using that English only feature on google this year in Italy, but when bringing a tablet PC to Italy year after year (go very often), many of the “favorited” videos, images or even sites that aren’t even taboo in the states are actually blocked. It’s some wierd copyright law thing. Same thing on the Youtube, many of the videos are blocked. Most European countries have this to squelch either anti-government propaganda or anti-Nazi propaganda (especially France and Germany), yet strangely Italy is chock full of fascist goodies. I did visit Predappio, Mussolini’s birthplace and tomb many years ago with some long-dead family members. The town is crazy full of fascist emblems even though it is so left wing. But that is the Italian game: money and power talk. How else are the towns of southeastern Romagna south of Cesena going to earn a living. The Riviera is full of tourists, but get into the appenines, and it’s deserted! So reflective of Italy… On to other topics, I agree to disagree with you about heavy handed moderation. I don’t know what forum you are talking about, but I have some experience with other Italian forums. I like cars, and am *VERY* dismayed about the speed cameras of the last 5 years, you know the “Safety Tutor system”. I could rant for hours about how fun it was to drive in Italy 10 years ago, and how frustrating the retard tutor is now, as could many Italians, but I won’t for the sake of the audience. I do view at a lot of Italian car/motorcycle forums and know a lot of gearheads in Italy as well. There are still ways left to enjoy a good car even on Tutor infested roads. These methods are, if not legal, at least give you plausible deniability, if not the ability to evade through the statute of limitations (must receive traffic ticket within one year of its issue). But those forums also have very heavy handed moderation for such war stories. The reason is simple: no habeas corpus. If per chance the one day a year the authorities actually are forced to act like they are earning their paycheck instead of hanging out in the bar (like in the Autogrill) in uniform with their patrol car in the lot outside getting plastered drunk in public wearing uniform and gun (seen it many times), they catch your internet post… AIEEE!!! The moderators of forums know this. They too are liable. Anyone could possibly get arrested, the poster talking about illegal behavior, the host and moderators for “encouraging”. You never know just how much cocaine the cops just smoked or injected compliments of those bribing them and how cranky they are on the comedown. The chance of the system coming down on you is indeed very, very small, but not zero. And as you know, anything you post on the net is out there forever… If I had a forum in Italy I would also be very strict, for my own safety. I think I am afraid because I am an honest person, do not do illegal things, am not a career criminal, know of no one well enough that I could get the balls together to hand an envelope full of cash, and I am not “connected”, which is why I left the country. That said if I had a lot of money I would be happy to move back. My interests and hobbies would be better cultivated out there from a gastronomic, enologic, cultural, architectural and historic point of view (but not tobacconistic), but I would need to be exaggeratedly wealthy in order for it to truly work. Will whisper you in Italian about Italy… Thinking about my trips to Italy made me so happy as a younger man, but thinking about what it could be, and what has happened to everyone I know and where the country is (or more importantly, isn’t) going makes me feel so sad!

Ooops! I thought I had clicked on whisper, so I am deleting the post and re-replying using whisper… sorry about that!

That is ok. It was a interesting read.

@cstokes4: yep, made by Pöschl

Guys, I received the snuffs yesterday - Santa Caterina Rosso (menthol) and Santa Caterina Blu (no menthol). It’s actually sold in 10g bags, so I have 18 bags of each (I’ll keep two for myself) to send as samples; if you want a bag or two, just whisper me the address. Since it’s very cheap (0.90 euros a bag, plus 0.60 for the stamp) I can send free - of course, if you want to make a donation that’s very nice and I’ll give you my paypal details via whisper.A pic of the boxesAs for the tobacco themselves, they are made by Poeschl but, at least to my nose, they are very un-Poeschl-y. Santa Caterina Blu, the plain one (dry, medium-fine grind, light brown), has a rather delicate bouquet, only slightly spicy - I wouldn’t mind using it as a base for a perfumed snuff, and might end up actually trying to make my yearned-for Eau de Cologne snuff with this =) I believe that SC Rosso is basically SC Blu with menthol (and perhaps some camphor, but it would be very very little) - strangely, even though it’s Poeschl, the menthol is very sedated - not overpowering at all and actually rather good. The moisture is rather low in this as well, so I kinda suspect no oils are used. Also, the nic hit is way larger than most Poeschls, at least for me. All in all, I must say that I’ve been pleasantly surprised with these snuffs - not really “up there” with the best of them, but not bad at all.

I have finally managed to ship the first batch of envelopes, if anybody’s still interested please let me know (I have a few bags left).

Mine arrived today, shall crack it open tomorrow. Thanks a lot!

With tomorrow being sunday I expect mine will arrive on monday morning if packages have already been received.

Roderick Italy has a tobacco monopoly. All tobacco purchased and sold within the country must be through the tobacco monopoly. It is not illegal to purchase any whichever tobacco product in Italy so long as you get it from the Monopoly of the State with its stamp upon it. Therefore, if someone wished to purchase a tobacco product within the country of Italy, they would have to buy it from a tobacco store which in turn obtained all of its products from the state monopoly. If you wanted to legally sell snuff (Sattolo buys a lot from you, doesn’t he?) in Italy, your Italian clients would need to use the Monopoly of the State as their middleman. Anyone who buys tobacco directly from you from Italy is actually breaking the law. Now what people do, and the enforcement, that is a different story. But if you are interested in the letter of the law, no, shipping to private citizens and leaving out the State Monopoly as the middleman is not legal, at least in Italy. ***DISCLAIMER***: This post is opinion only. I do not assure that this is factual nor accurate, and no behavior of any kind should be based upon the information contained therein. Furthermore, if behaviors were to be considered based upon the information of this post or curiosity upon its interest, real information should be gleaned from an international lawyer/tobacco advisor, the EU or the Italian tobacco monopoly themselves, best a combination of all three. If you go to jail or face legal action because of the information I posted, I waive any responsibility whatosever. My posting is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only!!!

@Roderick: I’m sorry if I gave you the wrong impression - I don’t believe it is actually illegal (it would be completely non-enforceable, as you can imagine), but the denizens of that other forum seem to think so, which is disappointing to say the least.

It’s like alchool in PA. I can order almost any alchool I want but I have to do it through the State Monopoly. I have to order it to the actual physical location of a “State Store”. Though you can imagine how often that happens. If it’s not in their catalogs I bet most people have it sent to their house. The only thing I’ve ordered is Pisco which was in their catalog.

Actually, since you can buy tobacco abroad and it’s perfectly legal to bring it to Italy, I suppose there might be a problem with *selling* tobacco products outside of monopoly.

@Spam: well, comments? =)

Ah, I made a comment on the “What’s in your nose” thread… "Santa Caterina (Senza Mentolo). A very nice snuff, it’s surprisingly dry and felt a little bit gritty as I went to pinch it but went up the nose no problem. It’s got a very rich and satisfying flavour, quite chocolatey and a little bit smokey (unless that’s the remnants of last nights Garrett hanging about), not a bad word to say about it yet. I’m a bit anxious about trying the other one now. If it’s the same base I’m not sure how the menthol will work. I guess I’ll find out later. " As it stands I’ve not opened up the other one. Still very fond of the Senza Mentolo, very flavoursome but not an all-day every-day snuff for me.

OK, I’ve given them both a go. The red has a colour and texture very similar to Ozona President but a little less moist, however, it goes into the nose just as easily and is impossible to over-sniff. The menthol flavour is subtle and sits alongside a nice robust tobacco aroma of similar strength. If both of the flavours were a little more powerful this would be an incredible menthol snuff but as it is I can’t help but feel slightly underwhelmed by it, but overall it is pleasant and I can’t fault it The blue is very dry and lighter in colour than the red, although it’s of a medium consistency. I’ve got to admit I didn’t think I was going to enjoy this one at all at first as it reminded me of an old, dry Wilsons of Sharrow base snuff. Once in the nose I was gladly mistaken, it’s a smoky, barbecue-y, full-bodied plain snuff. Not for the faint hearted but a very complex and rewarding natural flavour.

Received mine, thanks very much pgcd. First impressions: the Rosso(Red) is a nice mentholated somewhat moist medium grind snuff. For it being a Poschl, its relatively light on the menthol with a pleasant tobacco base. The blue version is a little drier with a certain spiciness to it, and kind of sweet for it being a natural tobacco. Very nice. Would need a few more days with it to make a real review of it though.

Today I received a pouch each of Santa Caterina Blue and Red. Thank you pgcd. I do not have much to add to what has already been said. The Blue is plain tobbaco with a light smoked scent to it, not like a toast but more like a plain scotch. Navy Plain comes to mind but with tastier (chocolate?) undertone that I suspect comes from the different tobacco used. The grind is dry and medium fine, however I did not find it to go up the nose go high. I would recommend this snuff to anyone that enjoys toasts or scotches but finds them difficult to take. The Red is also plain tobacco with a blast of menthol that does not overpower the tobacco. The grind is barely moist and medium fine, it also does not go up the nose to high. This snuff is perfect for those that want a plain menthol that isn’t going to blow their head off with menthol. Both are very good if you are looking for a plain tobacco snuff that is not overwhelmed with additives.

I just decided that these will be de-flowering my Patrick Collins double compartment cherry wood snuff box.

Many thanks to pdgc for the samples I received today. I haven’t had a chance to try them out yet but when my nose is clear first thing in the morning I will give these a go. Looks very interesting to me. Again, thanks a bunch. edit: I just couldn’t wait to try these so I went ahead and tried the Blue pack. Do I smell and taste a hint of Spanish Jewel? Or is that my imagination. The nic hit is certainly not the same tho. But itsa nicea flavor. Capish?

I can’t tell you guys how glad I am that the Santa Caterinas are nice - I almost feel patriotic now =) Of course, I’ll ignore the fact that the manufacturer isn’t Italian, because the tobacco might actually be (it kinda reminds me of the tobacco in a cheap brand of smokes I used to like).

I just got it awhile ago, too. Great stuff. I love it. Thank you so much for this opportunity!

Just received my pouches and I must say I’m really enjoying the red, just the right amount of menthol makes for a very pleasant snuff

Received mine on Saturday and just now have had a chance to give them a try. Nice fresh snuff. I was gifted a 10g packet a few years ago courtesy of Mecalpe/Pedro. This was the plain version and aside from being fresher, the new seems very much like the old stock. Yes I kept some for reference and compared them one after the other. It is strong pure tobacco and very well done. I find it to be very high nicotine too. I think it may have a substantial amount of n. Rustica in it. Snuff newbies could easily take too much, because it is so smooth. I found the menthol one refreshing and not overly “medicated.” It’s has more moisture and is a bit easier to take. Very very good snuff, both kinds. Thanks to pgsd for contributing to a wider knowledge of these snuffs. Thank you!

Thanks pgcd ! Mine arrived last Thursday while I was out of town. Very nice snuffs. There is a definite chocolate thing going on in the blue. Santa Caterina rosso was a nice surprise too. The menthol was milder than a lot of menthol snuff and the base tobacco shines through instead of being overpowered. When I can afford it, I will try to order a larger quantity of both of these. This was my first encounter with Italian snuff and they are both keepers!

Found that on an Italian forum http://tabaccodafiuto.forumfree.it/?t=22873477&st=15 I can’t speak Italian but thanks to Google, I could understand that those are snuff made in Italy. Anybody ever tried any of those? LECCESE MACUBINO SANT’ANTONINO SANTA GIUSTINA SUN DI SPAGNA ZENZIGLIO

Ummmm, France and Italy?

Actually, @rdunnion, there are no longer any Italians in Italy. They’ve completed the migration to NJ and southern NY, and Italy is now entirely populated by Swiss folks from the Italian part of the Alps. @KebAMP From what I see on that forum, that’s a list of six that were made in Italy at one time. I’m not sure if they’re still available, considering the guy who had them mentions having discovered them in 89. I think @pgcd would know, though.

@shikitohno - Ah I see, but were you aware they have sent missionaries to VA to open up NY style pizzarias? I assume it is happening in other parts of the country.

All the Italian restaurants in South Florida are owned by Argentinians, go figure.

lol @snuffgrinder

strange request… for what it’s worth I’m 25% French, 50% Irish and 25% Scott…

@miamimark I still find it amusing that the vast majority of sushi places in the US are run by Koreans, but most Americans can’t tell their Asians apart so they get passed off as Japanese.

@shikitohno relevant: www.alllooksame.com It is not a racist humor web site as the URL would imply, it’s a quasi-scientific approach to dig deeper into the ability to differentiate between asian cultures and peoples.

I myself can tell the difference. I just find it amusing when others are baffled by how I do it, when it’s pretty simple.

They all look the same to me from palestine to japan. LOL

I think most americans just don’t care. I can’t tell what part of europe white people are from by looking at them and don’t care.

I recognise different ethnic people from China now, or the main groups at least, there are huge differences among them. Physical anthropology is nowadays left to amateurs like me due to sad history of last century.

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You are American though, right zzedo? As far as I know the only Italian snuff still made is Santa Caterina which is contracted out to Pöcshl in Germany. This is due to a monoply given to an independent board by the Italian government. I’m not clear on this, but we do have a few Italian members who can clarify. They also allow a number of Pöschl prducts for sale on the Italian market. Its a sad state of affairs no matter what ideology you profess. If you have obtained some San Antonio, then you are fortunate to have some vintagem nuff. There may as yet be some small indepenent makers that do not use the internet, but the tradtion of snuff there is strong. There is a small but vocal online Italian snuff comunity and they will have more details. They have a forum, but it looks inactive of late. We need some translators. You have obtained s[ome snuff there. Please cherish it.

I know this is an old thread, but I just received a package of the above photo snuff. From 1932, sealed. It is quite bland, whatever scent it had has long faded away. However, it is pleasant enough, dry and mild. I am going to put a tonquin bean in it to give it a scent. Reddish brown in color, medium fine grind. It seems as though when fresh it might have been rather like the Santa Caterina, same color and texture.