I’ve heard people talk of Rooster, Dalohkia White, and NTSU all discussed as “hardcore” snuffs. Are these the “top” tier of difficulty and nicotine, or is there some kind of super-secret-ultra-lost-to-the-ages-mega-ultra hardcore snuff?

Rooster from what I have tried and also seen discussed here. www.nicotinerush.com

Well it depends on what you mean by quote-on-quote “hardcore” snuff. When it comes to nicotine “buzz” nothing in the snuff world will hit as hard as a cigarette. Rooster is very fine in grain and really intense for the beginner because your nose isn’t use to intentionally inhaling foreign particles. But don’t get me wrong it has a strong nicotine content. Same goes with NTSU and Taxi Red but unlike Rooster Taxi and NSTU are course-cut like the consistency of american dip. Dalohkia White is a whole other beast… really the ones you have mentioned are pretty rediclious when it comes to strength to be honest it’s all up to the amount one sticks up their nose and how high your tolerance is to nicotine. I use to smoke and when I first quit and started using snuff I didn’t really get any “lift” or nicotine feeling but now I really notice it. I will have a cigarette one in a while but to be honest they taste terrible now and the buzz isn’t that great anymore haha.

I am pretty new to snuff, been using a couple months now but I would say Nicotine: Rustica homemade snuff. Great nicotine but makes my nose run bad. Difficulty: Dalohkia White (I can barely smell it out of the can without burn) I find this one has more burn than Rooster, although I only tried Rooster once. I did not like the BBQ smell. Stench: NTSU (also pretty high in nicotine, but did not really burn) This is just out of the ones I have tried, there are many out there I have not yet tried.

NTSU and Dholakia White give me a far stronger nic hit than Rooster. They even kick harder than my NAS American Blend RYO unfiltered, although since there is no carbon monoxide the nicrush feels different. If you doubt it, try taking a few hits off a cigarette after a few pinches of NTSU, and then take your blood pressure and resting pulse. Then call an ambulance.

Real men snuff Feinster Kownoer!

And the super-secret-ultra-lost-to-the-ages-mega-ultra hardcore snuff is a powdered ginger/cayenne blend (be sure to grind the cayenne small).

@ Juxtaposer: preach it brother man! Feinster Kownoer! The snuff men choose!

Most snuff takers don’t snuff to be “hardcore”

@ Xander - touche!

I can’t wait to get my Kownoer on Friday! I agree that “hardcore” is a strange word to use in connection with snuff; I just assumed it was synonymous with “having a huge sensory impact” but why use two syllables when you can use nine?

Kownoer is unlike any snuff I’ve ever had. It’s manna from heaven!

THe word to use for a strong snuff is “roughneck”.

I see your ‘roughneck’ and raise to “LEATHERNECK”, Pieter!

All I have is a pair of “leathernostrils”.

Hahah! Yes, or if someone could design a "Snuff Carburetor " that attaches to the nose and straps on much like a respirator, complete with needle valves and a choke, many of the snuffing issues would be resolved

Dholakia White makes my scalp almost bleed. That and Rooster are like nicotine rockets to me. But for some reason Gawith Hoggarth Kendal Brown burns like a sonofabitch. I love it I love it I love it…Wish GH was a little softer in texture though. I’d have tried to mess with the moisture and grind but I haven’t figured out how to open those containers. I’m afraid I’ll break it.

@ wickedkitchen Dholakia White not only causes bleeeding through my cranial pores, it also causes uncontrollable twitching in my legs and feet for about 60 seconds after doing my pinch. If I’m lucky. And in the U.S.: Roughneck = oil field worker RuffNeck = inner city gangster

Bruton, or “the Brute”, has far more unprotonated nicotine than any other American snuff, so it gives a quicker and heavier rush than others.

There’s a lot of indiviidual perecption to this obviously, surprisingly of all the 300 or so I’ve tried I would have to put Kamal out front as one ferocious snuff. In terms of super secret lost to theages it would have to be the near legendary Spanish Jewel; ,made in micro amounts by an ancient blender who is next to impossible to track down.

@Bart I have a spare 42mm Keihin CVK in the shed…

Im going to go with Dholakia White on this one, with Bruton coming in a close close second.

@ Bart: someone already invented the snuff carburetor. He has a small and quiet yahoo group. There are pictures of it here: nasal-snuff-club pics And also instructions how to make one in the files. I don’t know if you have to be a member to view or not.

Dholakia White, is brutal. I like it, but only on the occasion when I want to simulate a punch to the face.

Looks like you have to be a member to view it, Xander…

wickedkitchen Mar 4th 2010 Kendal Brown burns like a sonofabitch. I love it I love it I love it…Wish GH was a little softer in texture though. I’d have tried to mess with the moisture and grind but I haven’t figured out how to open those containers. I’m afraid I’ll break it. Just prise open the 2 halves gently with your finger nale or a knife, work your way gradually arround the base where the 2 halves join

I might snuff some Spanish Jewel with a Spanish Toothpick. hehe, and a Bruton-Sparrow-Quit mix I have.

For me the strongest, nicotine wise, is NTSU. Dholakia White, Rooster and Three Thistles all SMELL very strong but they don’t give me the nic hit I get from NTSU. Real “roughneck” stuff? Taxi and Babaton.

To be honest we are all so different that this question never means that much, I can shovel NTSU in (and enjiy it immensely) but then I will try some bog standard lil Poschl candy and it will burn like hell

@wickedkitchen - “Dholakia White makes my scalp almost bleed.” I know you wrote this over a year ago (im browsing old threads) but thank you for giving me the perfect words to describe what I feel when the Quit hits juuuust right Gotta get me some D.White!

Never tried it myself, but I’m thinking there’s a reason that “Bruton” is nick-named “Brutal”.

The search for some kind of mind-bendingly powerful snuff is pretty much like looking for cigarettes of the same properties. A snuff is only in that bracket when you are not used to it. I can take quit and white as all day snuffs quite happily - no skill or personal quality beyond regularly using a lot of nicotine involved. Also, a lot of the apparent potency is down to the mill - very fine, dry snuff burns. When the nanny states finally insist on cigarette type packaging with the nicotine levels shown I doubt that there will be much difference in any of them. Until then its 100% subjective.

I agree. It has to do with tolerance. I don’t think I’m “hardcore” when I take Bruton or Quit but I guess to a newbie it might be “mega ultra…”

Im a cig smoker, and when it comes down to it, D White is the only one that rivals a cig. However it doesnt feel quite as strong because it doesnt hit you in 3 seconds like a cig does.

Try it thru a bullet - the closest thing I’ve ever had to a pull on a cigarette, snuffwise.

The one snuff that really pushed my hairline back is White Elephant! Zowie.

Its strange but White Elephant doesnt really do it for me that much anymore, its the the nic just vanished from the tin. And its not my tolerance because toasts still give me quite a lift.

It’s not the snuff that’s “hardcore”, it’s the snuffer.

Agreed. Large, frequent pinches of good quality snuffs are the way to get the most nicotine out of it. The search for a hyper strong brand is doomed from the start. It can only ever be a pinch of snuff, and that has limits. There are no mysterious, narcotic like snuffs out there. Snuff is just not manufactured for that purpose and has never been used like that.

I think the impact of a nic hit is overrated. The ritual, the enjoyment, the pleasure and the taste are much more important. At least for me that’s the case.

@Uwe I completely agree. I know that I MYSELF don’t snuff to be a bad ass lol

Yeah snuff isn’t hardcore, guys at work think I’m weird not tough because I snuff. Now I can remember a time that I would snort just about anything, My brother had this baggie of white powder. I snorted 2 big old lines and I fell on the floor in agony, brother was rolling on the floor, busting a gut laughing. I had just snorted 2 lines of straight Baking soda. How’s that for hardcore, lol. edm

Can’t beat my line of powdered lemonade mix when I was 12! That was the worst pain ever.

Dude, I think we are all older than 13. I can’t believe someone posted this as a serious topic. Haha what’s next? What’s the most hardcore pipe tobacco?

I did a couple of lines of chilli powder when I was a kid, if you want to be wide awake and have a nose thats smouldering just mix some of that with some white:)

the only differance between men and boys are the price of their toys. edm

@snuffster … and aim for the sinuses!

yeah men have to save their money for rent and food and taking care of the kids.

@bob Isn’t that the truth.

No doubt.

A man with a big person is someone who had no toys as a boy.

D.White is the most ‘hardcore’ snuff I’ve taken.

Glad my kids are grown and married now I can spend the money spoiling the grandkids. edm

Found a ‘hardcore’ recipe at vaping.com (below). If you ignore warnings about nic poisoning, you might try this stuff (I have not, yet), finely ground and slammed into both sinuses simultaneously. 1g sodium carbonate (soda ash / washing soda) + 10 ml water, 1ml of this per gram dried rustica (From Toque, x5-x10 nic as normal tobacco), 24 hrs sit with occasional mixing. Dried, reground. Warning- done properly, this contains enough nicotine to make you sick. After that, come back and appreciate the gentle aroma of Crumbs Of Comfort delicately whiffed at the tip of your nose. (Personally, I can go either way)

Why would someone do this? Very immature IMHO to “play scientist to get more drugs” out of your snuff. Someone could really hurt themselves don’t forget although I love Nic as much as the next guy but it’s a poison and people get sick even die from it sometimes! This just sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Agreed. Im not saying the people who do this are all dumb. Just misguided. If getting a VERY high dose of a CNS stimulant like nic is that important to you, there are more interesting things going on with you. Crazy nic use is associated with depression, anxiaty, ADD to name just a few. Pretty damn effective in short run! Tolerance and side effects are both a bitch. There are better meds out there that dont require freebasing nic. That said, I dont buy the hype about the LEVEL of danger from recipes like the one above. Driving is far more dangerous IMO. So is binge drinking. Sounds like we both want people to refrain from doing stupid and maladaptive things. Im onboard with that!

Definitely. I handle 99% pure Nicotine when I make my own liquid for my ecigarette. I do it outside with gloves on! This stuff is DEADLY! Just a drop of that stuff could potentially kill a small child. Nicotine is not something to mess around with unless you have knowledge and experience required! I’m not saying that recipe is deadly, but you know what I mean…

Well put. … and I didnt know you were working with 98% nic! That stuff can actually kill if consumed straight (or on the rocks) I was actually looking at the vape forum to see how professionals extract the stuff. Out of my league. Also hard to buy without being put on a ‘no fly’ list Given how quickly I develope tolerance, I suppose I should be thankful of snuffs nic-ceiling.

Nicotine is insecticide…literally haha. What does it say when somebody said we’ll add a bunch more chemicals, wrap it up in paper, and people will light it on fire so they can inhale it? That’s messed up man. But like most of the people on this board, I am hooked.

The human brain has receptors that are an EXACT fit for nicotine. No matter how you think our brain came to be… what…does…that…tell…you?? But seriously, I think the history is as follows (Google says so, thus it must be true!): As early as 1 B.C., American Indians began using tobacco in many different ways, such as in religious and medicinal practices. In 1588, A Virginian named Thomas Harriet promoted smoking tobacco as a viable way to get one’s daily dose of tobacco. Unfortunately, he died of nose cancer (because it was popular then to breathe the smoke out through the nose). In 1836, New Englander Samuel Green stated that tobacco is an insecticide, a poison, and can kill a man. In 1847, the famous Phillip Morris is established, selling hand rolled Turkish cigarettes.

@Gsnuff we might have receptors that work with Nic but they’re not there FOR nicotine. Nicotine resembles another molecule and our receptors accept it not able to tell the difference.

I would say that is the most truncated history of tobacco I have ever read. Here is one a little more catered to snuff: http://snuffhouse.org/discussion/5206/snuff-timeline#Item\\_1

@transistor touche but for fun: 1) they are *called* Nic-receptors, so they must be *for* nic. If they were for something else they would have a different name. 2) You ever snuff acetylcholine? Not so much fun. I know point #1 is BS, but its fun to watch nonaddicts wrestle with it. I know,… wrong crowd.

@cstokes4 thats a nice summary! I (heavily) edited something similar. I just wanted to emphasize that people were enjoying tobacco long before it was recognized as poison/insecticide. About 440 years according to Alex’s summary (starting with Columbus). Thanks!

The indians of central america used tobacco on thier poison darts.

I didnt know that! Looks like they used concentrated Rustica paste. Cool.

Mix rustica with enough ash and you have some deadly stuff.

Thats what im thinking. Its amazing how much nic we get from just a pinch of snuff when you consider that there is 5? 10? pinches in a cigarette (most of the nic gets burned up). But even we are constrained by what we can push through the nasal mucous membrane. Now, if you could just dump the stuff straight into the blood stream… a pinch of intramuscular rustica would not be pleasant.

disclaimed: sort of off-topic except that we’re talking about strong tobacco products, and this is not something I’d suggest anyone to try. It is potentially lethal. @gsnuff re: snuff into the bloodstream… this is pretty close. There’s a tobacco paste product in Venezuela called chimo (pronounced chee-moo) which is made by doing a boiling water extraction of tobacco, removing the solids, simmering it down to a paste, and then seasoning it (sugar, ash, baking soda, vanilla) before packaging. It takes 10 kilos of tobacco to produce 1 kilo of finished product (think 10x potency tobacco extract with the consistency of road tar). I don’t know if it is rustica, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Dosing is a small ball, the size of a pencil tip, under the tongue where it dissolves. It produces a black liquid that looks like dirty motor oil, and one spits the liquid much as with chewing tobacco. It’s mostly used by farm workers who must have an incredible tolerance built up. One report of a visitor who tried chimo said the guy puked his guts out then had dry heaves. The locals thought this was amusing. I’ll stick with regular snuff.

I used to boil a bag of RYO tobacco, strain it, then reduce it to a syrup. I added it to Sprite soda (dark amber color like an american ale or warm piss, opinions vary) and drank it. The effect was quite nice as I recall. I don’t believe I would do it today but I’m not in college any more either. I definately would have tried chimo at that time.

This is starting to sound like Erowid:)

Yep, noticed that

whats Erowid? Im surprised drinking tobacco would do anything… thought the nic was destroyed in the stomach. Maybe the effect was from absorption by the mouth/gums

Erowid, or The Lycaeum, is an online repository of information regarding mind altering substances. Many drugs and substances are discussed in detail including some of the more exotic and obscure. (William White’s research on DXM is very well presented and informative.) The info ranges from scientific papers to supposed trip reports and covers the negative and positive aspects of the chemical in question. Its a great resource if you’re working as a drug investigator. Just don’t take everything you read as fact without verifying it for yourself.

In the 19th and early 20th century the predessors of De Kralingse used to wash out the cloth in which the karroten were aged and solved extra soap in this wash out. This mixture was sold as karottensap (karotten juice) and could be used against scabies in cattle. All due to the concentrations of nicotin in the washings. Jaap Bes.

I was reading the Anarchist Cookbook quite a while ago (out of curiosity) and it had a recipe for pure nic. Leave a can of dip or snuff in a bowl of water for a few days, strain out solids and pour on a pan and let dry, then left with a sticky residue. I dont know what ACTUAL use this has but I thought it was pretty cool. Probably would have been good for killing those damn mice that would run around my trailer.

Boil a plug of chewing tobacco to produce a tea, spray on your house plants to kill aphids. edm

Careful with that book Brand. Its notorious for having inaccurate info in some areas. I would especially disregard the section on explosives. The nicotine recipe might be righteous tho, dunno for sure.

Yeah I read it out of curiosity. I wouldnt dare try anything in that book.

@Brandasaur nicotine extract, according to the Anarchist Cookbook (2001 IIRC) is a poison. They recommend adding it someone’s coffee. @Spyro I wouldn’t doubt it, the entire book is kind of stupid.

though the movie is pretty good.

Before anyone goes making tobacco tea it is worth while remembering it may kill you. The nazi Albert Speer carried a crushed up cigar whilst at Spandau prison as a suicide device - his intention being to soak it in water overnight and drink the resulting liquid. He had researched this apparently prior to arrest.

Yuk, what a gruesome way to die. Reminds me of the stories of people in ancient times eating a pound of salt to kill themselves. Silly mammals.

@Nigel what a waste of a cigar lol. Stefan

low chance of success IMO. One of the first symptoms of nic-OD is puking. Wouldn’t it be hard to keep a fatal dose down? Yuck…morbid!

@Gsnuff one of the first symptoms of alcohol poisoning is puking yet people still manage it. If you chug it down fast enough your fucked!