Hi well I just don’t get it I mean I have used every nrt going and I mean everything and I failed to quit ? Even with the new spray that gets nicotine in your system dam fast didn’t stop me … But snuff did and continues to stop me from smoking … Why ? What’s in it that isn’t in nrt their has to be something ?? I know snuff Is ground up tobacco and nrt is nicotine but Is the ground up tobacco (snuff) not just giving me nicotine also ???
Tobacco flavor/scent. I think its similar to the way that coffee is so much more satisfying than caffeinated water (which I have had, and was unimpressed by)
whole leaf alkaloids
Pleasure. I don’t know of any form of NRT that actually provides any sort of enjoyment.
It isn’t just the nicotine that does it for people who enjoy tobacco. There are a ton of other substances in tobacco and those are just as important to your enjoyment/craving as the nicotine.
@Mark W- Bingo! Researches are starting to hone in on WLA as being one of the main reasons that tobacco-based NRT like smokeless tobacco is more effective than pharmaceutical NRT. I don’t have the study at hand, but test subjects were given four different classes of NRT: smokeless tobacco (snuff and snus), pharmaceutical (inhalers, patches, gum, lozenges and receptor-blocking medication), electronic cigarettes and finally placebo devices. The results were astounding: even with nicotine levels higher than what the subject was used to absorbing through traditional smoking, pharmaceuticals and e-cigs were only slightly more effective than placebos at aiding cessation. BUT, with nicotine levels on average LOWER than what the subjects typically absorb through cigarette smoking, smokeless tobacco was twice as effective at cessation than synthetic NRTs. Studies like this keep pointing at a substance in tobacco that is every bit as important as nicotine in satisfying an addict’s cravings. It’s not one of the thousands of chemicals that are produced during the combustion process either, because this “missing link” is present in tobacco products that aren’t smoked. This substance has been identified as the naturally occurring alkaloids that are present in leaf tobacco, and they can’t be replicated in a lab. Of course, we still need decades of research to understand why and how these alkaloids affect the body. But the pharmaceutical companies aren’t ready to give up the fight just yet- they’re claiming that WLAs are a figment of the tobacco industry’s imagination and the whole argument is skewed in their favor so that people will stay addicted to tobacco products instead of Big Pharma’s expensive and dangerous man-made potions.
I agree with PipenSnusnSnuff & Vathek one word is all you need to explain it, PLEASURE!
I’m tempted by the mystery alkaloid theory. But I still think it’s probably the nicotine. NRT products are designed, in the first instance, to boost NRT sales. They maintain nicotine levels in the blood that are generally lower than you’d get from smoking, either by delivering low doses, or by delivering them inefficiently or by delivering them in the wrong form. Others will understand the science better than I will, but I understand that nicotine levels don’t tell us very much unless we know how ‘protonated’ the nicotine is. It’s a bit like rating an orgy on the number of people who turn up, rather than the proportion of males to females. The feebleness of NRT is arguably because there are safety issues involved, but I can’t see how the manufacturers and retailers would make much money out of them if they worked. There has been an awful lot of research into tobacco, and it’s difficult to see how a compound important to the addiction mechanisms would have been overlooked. Whereas it’s much easier to see how a great deal of easy money (and tax revenue) can be made by keeping people not-quite-quit.
Are the other alkaloids a mystery? I can’t remember where I was reading about it now, so I’m afraid I can’t provide a link, but I’m sure I read something about MOAI’s. This would explain the antidepressant qualities of tobacco, and may be the thing that is missing from NRT.
Yes, MAOIs. This is not really news, studies showing their presence have been published for some time now.
Tobacco, a gift from God, holds many secrets.
well NRTs typical have some stupidity going with them like lower levels of nicotine and the fact they are designed to not be a long term option but an extremely short term option which is contray to actual addiction treatment. They also are designed to continual lower the levels of nicotine at a steady and predetermined rate where as snus (which has been proven to actualy be able to be used the way nicotine gum is, lowering your levels slowly so you can avoid going cold turkey [known as tapering]) you can lower the level when you are ready at the degree you want to (same applies to snuff). nrt tends to take the control away from the person which is a good idea for some but not many. A treatment option should but control in the hands of the addict otherwise it kind of misses the point.
Decongestion (in some cases) and aromatic sensationalism.
There is a good tropical bob video regarding the alkaloid issue and his intention to make alkaloid rich nrt products.
What it gives is pleasure. What we seek in tobacco is pleasure not a stone cold fix.
100% right.
Thats why I switched from e-cigs to snus and snuff. I puffed on the e-cig constanyly , but still craved tobacco.
NRT do you know the definition of NRT has changed a little bit and now includes anything with nicotine that is used to reduce the harm of a nicotine addiction. Subtle but important diffrence. It means now you can consider snuff NRT!
There are some very eminent people that actually name snuff as a potential mass life saver. I’ve quoted two of them in my last article for the STE.
and I think there are going to be more. Especialy since if the international codeing considers NRT and nicotine containing anything that is used to reduce harm. Means they can start recommending snuff to schizophrenics for example.