I recently bought some Oden’s Extreme portions. On the What’s up Your Nose thread you’ll find that Whalen has been experimenting with the tobacco used in this product. I tore up a portion and snuffed some of it. Surely this is the strongest nasal snuff available, putting all the other so called heavy weights in the shade? It is no problem to take and is similar to a London Brown or Black Rappee. Purists will note that it lacks some of their dark flavourful characteristics. But I am sure it can easily be blended. The genius that is Whalen is still working at perfecting this snuff (see his comments) For me this is something of a grail.The tobacco flavour in the nose is pleasant as it is. I’ve demolished a can of portion into a lovely moist snuff. For me Swedish snus has come full circle and Oden’s Extreme properly belongs in the nose. I think around £2 for 45 grams of loose for the cost conscious! As for it’s oral use, I prefer twist anyway… Futhermore I’m sure Odens could sell this freely in the UK as Oden’s Extreme Snuff (I shall be buying it as such) . Many thanks to the idefatigable Whalen.

Oh dear, misplaced hyphen, tut tut.

I tried the Loose snus as a snuff too! The taste was wonderful, but the Loose has way too much Humectant to allow anything more than a very moist snuff. I detected the sweet of the Humectant to be a plus from a taste standpoint though. Believe it or not I have never tried a portion since I ironically have a nicotine tolerance issue due to my heart. I use a half sized dose of Los and get the vapors. The snuff is strong as can be but I find that I do not need much to get a fix. I have friends who are hard core nicotine fiends who have said the snuff is capable of putting them down. But all agree that the grind, along with the strength, allows for a noticeable and long lasting nicotine glow. I love that kind of effect and indeed think it is what I loved about the “Jewel”. Anyway, I am now curious as to the amount of Humectant used in a portion, as opposed to the los. I think that if it is substantially lower, and it should be, that it would indeed work fine. In the case of a really potent tobacco, which this certainly is, the grind becomes critical as the method of regulating nicotine uptake, in effect, I use a medium grind to slow the kick down, which makes it last quite a long time.

I really enjoyed seeing the “Whalen is a genius” in the Forum! I have been telling my wife that for years with little or no acknowledgment! Thank’s for that!

I thought everyone knew it…

Ah. So you are suggesting that the loose for nasal use might not be as satisfactory as the tobacco from the portions. Anyway I intend to buy some loose. I’m pretty sure that it will mix. I’ve mixed some portion tobacco with SP. Result -powerful SP. I’ll be mixing with things like schmaltzlers as the day progresses. Thanks for the caveat about the loose though, I won’t buy so much at first try. As I say, anyone familiar with such as London Brown will not have trouble with the portion tobacco. Lovely lift. Many Thanks. Now get back to your laboratory and come up with perfection!

What? That Whalen is a genius, or that Extreme is great nasal snuff??? Or both?

Oh try the loose as loose! Lovely! The best!

I should be delighted to buy Oden’s Extreme from Mr Snuff or Snuffstore in the UK, relabled as Swedish Snuff. I should after all be putting it up my hooter, rather than in my gob. Surely this can be easily arranged to everybody’s satisfaction.

It mixes exceptionally well with SP. I think even a humid loose would mix well with say Rooster for an Extreme Scotch and Black. In fact, it’s clumpy but finely ground, and becomes a very fine mixture with no visible trace of the heavy black Extreme when mixed with dry snuff. Nicotine levels here are pretty well at the limit.

I could never get it to dry enough to grind it finer, although I had some luck with a blade grinder after I removed the blade and gave it a razors edge, I use that on all my snuff now that needs reduction. I was able to get a quantity of the raw tobacco and I find it pretty spicy even raw. I do like the processed taste of the Extreme snus though. It is a great blender!

Yes. I blended with an SP, with Rooster (went a bit clumpy) and with a flat schmalzler- brought the flavour back? Seems to enhance everything and add strength. This must be the best secret ingredient ever. I think I’ll get five cans of los to mix with dryer snuffs. Great hint, Whalen. Keep on cooking.

Maybe not! Suddenly sales tax and tobacco tax have made this prohibitively expensive. To my knowledge tobacco tax is not chargeable on snus at this rate in the UK. How do I reduce costs on buying this I ask?

ive been using the odens extra strong cinnamon for a couple years. Is the extreme the same only packaged different?

Oh, no… This is a whole nother animal than any that came before! A must try! Nothing in common with previous Odens snus products. It is made with the new extreme Tobacco, hence why my ears perked up when I heard that. A new really strong tobacco? Hmmmm… Snuff!

I believe I OD’d on Odens today, in snuff and chew. takes quite a hit to get me feeling gutty and sick.

50 50 mix of the Odens baccy with Schalzler brings out the flavour of the latter and makes a strong snuff.

I have some of this in my cart over on snus.com. just waiting till Friday to check out. have some dry Schalzer waiting for it to get here. Also a question about snus. do you have to put it in the upper lip or can you use it like dip. also have a prismaster in the cart, but was wondering about forming it. Have only used portion and only camel snus at that. edm

Mustangii I can’t advise on these things. I put the portion in my cheek at the lower jaw. This is probably quite wrong but it is what I do with twist and Pan Masala when I use it. I have some Cope on order and would welcome any advice about how best to use that! I have read of portions placed under the tongue and so on…

@mustangii, snus is traditionally placed in the upper lip. That is partly why it is said to be spitless. The upper lip creates less saliva. Portion snus can be placed just about anywhere in the mouth, even under the tongue (goodness!) Loose snus can be used in the lower lip just like dip,but it tends to not stay formed as easily.

You will want the Prismaster and to use the Extreme in the upper lip IMHO. This is one powerful snus! But the interesting thing about the tobacco involved is that it gives a sort of time release effect, making it ramp up slowly and last a good time longer than most. It is that delivery profile which is unmatched in any other snus. The snuff I made does the same thing, and I am glad, because if it just spiked it would be just too much for me!

petersuki, used cope and red seal Natural fine for years. Lower lip, right and left of center… Lower gums are receded and had what my dentist called precancerous lesions. so I quit. Of cource He could have been wrong but my dad had skin and prostate cancer. Brother died with lung cancer, so did my grand dad on my mother’s side. so I switched to snuff and useing camel snus. now I want to try the real thing, but have a high nic resistance, lol. edm

Well, The Extreme is the real thing, X 2! It has 22mg of Nicotine, but like I said, its unlike most sterks in the delivery. God help those who get ramped up on them though. It is named correctly!

That is ingenious. What is worse than putting in a dry portion? Yuk. May as well make snuff from it! I would like to try some of that extreme. Shoot, I just bought a roll of General Xtra, and it just does not hit me like it used to.

I’ve used loose portion Oden mixed in my SP box and a portion in the mouth. The effect is that I have had two days of overload. Tobacco this strong needs taking and timing with care. It does go really well with Schmalztler imho. Enhances the flavour and makes a tasty and strong snuff. This is simple enough for me and all the science I need to make extreme snuff. But this tobacco can make you feel bad if you don’t respect it. It’s a slow build up, as Whalen says, and you don’t realise you’ve gone too far! Can’t wait to try the Cope USA style! Mustangii, with your background sounds like the snus is the safest product.

yeap better not push it, but my Great Grand father on mom’s side chewed bee’s wax twist untill he died at 98 years of age and never developed and tumors or lesions. edm

22 doesnt sound like much, copenhagen dip has 24 I think

Snuffing strong snuffs can lead to snuffing less often. This does not sound so appealing to me. Also the way that nicotine works for enjoyment is in the spiking of it. Maintenance levels are for the avoidance of withdrawal symptoms. In my opinion.

It has enough and then some for me!

Like a lot of people in this world I’ve got plenty of concerns, and in my case that means running back to smoke. This Oden’s is a potent adversary of smoking. One puff with this stuff in you is one puff too many. Do you have a take on Cope Mr Whalen?

Not my cup of tea! Made me nauseous. Shame because it is cheap and all around me!

The snuff has a strange steady, building, and long lasting nic hit. Not spikey in the traditional sense. Very interesting effect!

That’s my take on it too. I said I mixed some in my daily SP box. As you say it keeps building and by midday my body was rebelling. It’s a very good weapon against smoke. But I find a nice hard piece of twist left to soften in the side of the mouth much nicer tasting. So long as you don’t literally try to chew it up. Twist is slow acting but quite strong enough for me in the long run. I have Oden’s against those crazy moments when I would have smoked two or three cigs in a row.

Yeah whatever it takes to combat the smokes, I have not had a one in over two years but that craving comes and goes. Snus has saved me personally, and the snuff fights the momentary cravings. I can but a roll of Cope at Costco for $20, but I still jump thru hoops to procure snus. Funny how I am surrounded by cheap American cans of Scotch snuff, and cheap cans of dip, and I use nothing but Swedish snus and mostly English snuffs, and Indian Fubar. I am pretty much strung out on Grov snus, Tom Buck, IHDT #20, Fubar, and McC Hopfen.

I’ve smoked pipes for five or six years, but I’m not a ‘clean’ smoker…These smokeless sorts have reduced my puffing no end. I actually enjoy all these forms and I don’t get the toxic effect you can get with too much smoke - carbon monoxide etc. I have started chewing betel nut, Paan Masala occasionally, ‘Now aint that too damn bad!’

I chewed the “NUT” when I worked in Micronesia, the nuts from YAP island just about brought me to my knees. The guys that mixed tobacco chew into the mix where totally strung out and hooked. Took weeks to get the stains out of my teeth.

@Whalen Everyone else beat me to it, but this stuff is fantastic. I know I said I was going to try toasting it and grinding a little finer, but after getting the sample I decided toasting would only detract from the flavour. Still, I gave it a good grinding in with the mortar and pestle, and it stands about midway between F&T’s HDT and Dholakia White in terms of fineness. Ground that fine, it packs a punch only rivalled by my Spanish Jewel. To which, I might add, the flavour bears a wonderful resemblance to my nose. Only thing that’s missing for me is the pungency of that first scent, but I detect a trace of it in the background. Definitely builds over time too. @petersuki Concerning Cope, a bit off centre in the front of your lower lip. Make sure to spit, and it’d probably be a good idea to have a drink nearby, as dip has a tendency to dry you out and give you heartburn from all the spitting. Cope may well have more total nicotine than Odens Extreme, but I feel like it’s much less available and efficient at delivering it. I can sit and pack both sides of my bottom lip with Cope Snuff and barely get a buzz comparable to a regular portion. I like the taste, but in the long run feel like I could definitely do without. Now all this betel talk on the forums has me wishing I hadn’t pitched my tins of Rajnagandhi and Pan Parag Masala, along with my zarda. Could really go for a good quid of betel and zarda while doing the lawn.

I gave a can of Pan Rarag away. Someone who smokes cigs. ‘Try some of this and a bit of chew’. I use it myself a few times a week. But I can live without it with snuff and chew. There’s definitely a nut hit.

Torn up some portion and added it some dry schmazler in my snuffbox, wonderful. edm

The portions use quite a bit of Black pepper for flavoring!

Just mixed portion with Sam Gawith’s Scotch Black. It is a phenominal blender with these darker ones.

Got some more portion and some loose on it’s way, 10 of each. They threw in 2 extra cans of each. snus.com cool place.