Just read that the UK is in talks about banning tobacco for anyone born after 2009. You think it’s for cigarettes only, or is snuff included? Such a rich culture of snuff should not be touched, especially when the negative side affects are nowhere near cigarettes. What do you all think?
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Keep in mind that iniciatives like this popping in Europe (all the way from the UK to Russia) go hand in hand with Big Tobacco, which invests a fortune into the tobacco-free nicotine (tfN). Tobacco has no future, and tobacco-free nic is the new real (tfN heat-not-burn and NP “snus” products (nicotine pouches) are already placed on the markets; yes, you have read it right - tobacco-free nicotine heat-not-burn stuff). The only way of forcing the masses to switch to the new tfN is depriving them of tobacco-based options by all and any possible indirect means (i. e. without actual total tobacco ban; and yes, we have already been facing its gradual implementation with all the TPDs).
One more note. Let’s not be naive - health reduction is the last actual reason for such flip, from business perspective. TfN is just way more profitable.
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If it happens and you’re below the age limit just get an older friend to buy it for you.
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The ban is for cigarettes from what I have read.
For our good luck snuff seems to be out of this ban, but even if it will include snuff, I bet that premium cigars will be not banned and will be around for ever. So if, knock on wood, one day snuff is banned you can simply buy a cigar and grind your own snuff.
They might ban cigarettes, pipe tobaccos, snuff and snus but premium cigars will live for ever, because its a premium product primarily targeted and used to higher classes.
Its easier to take the cigarettes from simple everyday working class men, but try to ban cigars and you will have all those higher classes millionaires against you.
Premium cigars have a distinct cultural and socioeconomic significance, and they may continue to be exempt from certain restrictions or bans due to their association with luxury, craftsmanship, and tradition. As you mentioned, the exclusive appeal of cigars to the upper echelons of society may help ensure their continued availability in such a scenario.
Regulatory decisions regarding tobacco products are influenced by a range of factors, including public health concerns, economic interests, and cultural significance. The unique status of premium cigars often sets them apart from other forms of tobacco, and their existence in a world where other tobacco products are more heavily regulated or restricted is a possibility.
Thats my theory anyways. I think cigars will be around for ever. At least thats a silver lining to all those anti-tobacco waves.
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I’m not sure that’s true. They mention New Zealand and Australian tobacco laws, and then have iron fisted laws where tobacco is all but illegal there. It’s all but outlawed, tax is so oppressive that it’s basically banned. They can’t import anything and tax is like $25 for a pack of cigarettes. Snuff is outlawed in general.
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If the laws are anything like new Zealand or Australia, they basically have all tfN banned as well
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The point is manufactures will stop producing it in general one day if it’s outlawed for future generations, since a huge swath of potential customers are vanished, just like that.
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Its only for cigarettes, not snuff. At least for now. But even if one day they ban snuff for life (which I personally dont believe we will witness anything like this ever), then you can simply make your own from cigars, which in my opinion will exist on Earth for ever.
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I hope you’re right! I used to smoke many years ago and snuff really has made my health better overall and I love everything about it.
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Yes, that’s a possibility, but some years off I should think. The black market will thrive, so at least it will still be available. Could be pricey though.
My advice would be for you to leave the UK. There are 195 other countries in the world and many are tobacco friendly.
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I live in the US. But the UK provides the entire world with snuff, other than India. So that’s like 75% of the market gone, if they ban snuff.
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Yes, that would be a terrible development. Have any of the snuff manufacturers commented on this? Has Mr. Snuff said anything? Hopefully snuff will be exempt.
If you live in the US it’s easy to
buy hands of fine tobacco online and then make your own snuff based on the English snuffs. It’s not difficult at all.
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Hopefully snuff will just fly under the radar since it is such a small part of the market, like it does with the tax status. It may work the other way though, if they plan a blanket ban on tobacco in general. I think the main focus is on cigarettes, and more increasingly vapes, so things like pipe tobacco, cigars, snuff should be ok, I hope.
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Nope. Snuff is included. Here is a quote:
“The following products would be in scope of the new legislation:
cigarettes
cigarette papers
hand rolled tobacco
cigars
cigarillos
pipe tobacco
waterpipe tobacco products (for example, shisha)
chewing tobacco
heated tobacco
nasal tobacco (snuff)
herbal smoking products”
Source: Creating a smokefree generation and tackling youth vaping: your views - GOV.UK.
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Great find. I noticed there are a bunch of survey questions on that page, but I don’t see any way to answer them. I would take the survey to convey being against this proposal.
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Here you go: SurveyOptic - Department of Health and Social Care.
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Yes, just done mine (not that it’ll have much impact).
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Banning cigarette papers is going to piss off a lot of pot heads!
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I hope this proposal will not go further.
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Lots of couriers have updated their T&Cs to prohibit domestic customers sending tobacco and nicotine products, even within UK mainland.
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