First off I would like to once again thank Roderick for the generous prizes he awarded all of us in the new slogan contest. But with products this high quality a catchy slogan is hardly needed. I am confident when I say that as a user and researcher of snuff for almost 2 years now that once anybody tries your product they will instantly forget that Toque Tobacco is the new kid on the block. I for one was extremely skeptical of Toque products being nothing more than Wilson’s of Sharrow, Samuel Gawith, McChrystal’s etc. in a snappy new bullett. And after Toque’s first 2 offerings (Toque & Toque ICE) my opinion hadn’t changed all that much and being in the USA the aforementioned companies products we’re easier for me to access and I hardly felt the need to order from over the pond to get my snuff fix. After having sampled all 5 of Toque’s current products you will see my opinion has thoroughly changed in many aspects. TOQUE - SIMILAR PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET I HAVE TRIED :Wilson’s of Sharrow - Tom Buck, Queens Extra Strong, SP 100, Best SP / McChrystal’s - SNUFF, SP Toque’s original (for lack of a better name) is a plain snuff with citrus type flavorings and like I stated earlier did not change my opinion that Toque was nothing more than a similar product already on the market only in the snappy bulett. Toque easilly matches up as far as quality with all the aforementioned products but the other’s are just easier to come by at this time here in the States. While Toque original will not be causing me to throw away my similar offerings from Wilson’s or McChrystal’s their are now more reason’s to go ahead and order Toque original as you will see from my forthcoming reviews. TOQUE - ICE- SIMILAR PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET I HAVE TRIED :Wilson’s of Sharrow - Peppermint / McChrystal’s - Supermint Toque ICE is a peppermint flavored snuff which tastes much like sucking on one of those imperial mint candies. Once again Toque’s offering matches up very well with Wilson’s and McChrystal’s offerings but really is nothing special that would make you go out of your way to acquire Toque’s product over the other’s. They are all about equal and in my opinion lack the authentic Peppermint taste of Der Kralingse / Dutch Windmills Peppermint offering which to be fair is a product of completely different texture with Latakia tobacco’s being it’s base. In my opinion if peppermint is your thing then by all means give all the available products a try but for me Dutch Windmill fills my peppermint cravings. TOQUE - MENTHOL- SIMILAR PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET I HAVE TRIED :Wilson’s of Sharrow - Super Menthol, SM Blue / McChrystal’s - Original & Genuine / Poschl’s GletcherPrise, Red Bull Here is where Toque tobacco is beginning to shine and start to give you longtime Wilson’s and McChrystal’s users reason to start to look at the new kid on the market. Toque menthol is excactly what the name says it is a rich tobacco with a strong kick of menthol, not quite as big of a kick as my beloved Red Bull but a very powerful boot in the sinuses to be sure. I love menthol snuffs that let you know that you just took a blast and open your sinuses right up and Toques new offering fits the bill big time. That being said a menthol snuff in my opinion really has to have a nice flavor to go along with that kick and that is where Toque Menthol seperates itself from all of the above. Wilson’s oferings do not even come close to matching up with Toque menthol in the aftertaste department. While McChrystal’s O&G still has that unique aftertaste that gives it reason to stay in my rotation and of course Red Bull has that kick in the balls initial strike I still crave ,Toque Menthol has permanently landed as my all day menthol snuff of choice with the O&G and Red Bull as once in a while variations. TOQUE -CHOCOLATE SIMILAR PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET I HAVE TRIED :Samuel Gawith’s - Chocolate WOW, I used to like Sam G’s Chocolate until I tried this chocolate creation by Toque Tobacco. Thier is no easy way to say this but Toque’s chocolate offering is so much better than Sam G’s chocolate snuff that the latter product should cease production immediately. Thier is no need for anybody looking for a chocolate flavored snuff to look anywhere but to Toque to get thier fix. The only way to duplicate the aroma of Toque Chocolate would be to take 2 hershey kisses and stuff them up your nose and let them melt to a sloppy mess all over your face. But even then that would lack the ever so slight essence of alcohol which really gives Toque Chocolate the taste of a real grown ups snuff rather than a kiddie tasting candy. I can’t say enough good things about this snuff, Toque really nailed this snuff offering. TOQUE - ESPRESSO SIMILAR PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET I HAVE TRIED :Wilson’s of Sharrow - Irish Coffee / Samuel Gawith - Black Coffee / Gawith & Sons - Cafe Royale OK if you havn’t tried Wilson’s or Samuel Gawith’s coffee flavored offerings, DON’T. If coffee flavoring in your snuff is what you are seeking then immediately click to a shop that is selling Toque Espresso and place a huge order for this ridiculussly well done snuff. I am not one to throw away snuffs since often times down the road I have a taste for something and go back to it. But I can say in full confidence I will never go have another sniff of Wilson’s Irish Coffee or Sam G’s Black coffee after having tried Toque Espresso. Its rich full flavor of coffee immediately fills your olafactory nerve with its aroma and lasts a long time while the other 2 I just mentioned flavors are weak and fade fast. As for Gawith & Son’s Cafe Royale which is marketed as the worlds most expensive snuff due to its coffee essence, it does not match up with Toque espresso’s powerful aroma for as long and on top of that it is very hard to come by for most snuff user’s making Toque Espresso easilly the best coffee flavored snuff on the market. I don’t know how much it costs Toque tobacco to make this high quality snuff but I do know they sell it for the same price as all of thier other offerings and if it really does cost more to make a quality coffee flavored snuff (another fact I don’t know) Toque Tobacco is doing us all a favor by producing this snuff, go get some. In closing it is obvious to this one time hard headed customer who held firm beliefs that snuff products offered by longtime producers such as Wilson’s, McChrystal’s, Sam G etc. were not worth the hassle of taking a look at something made by some new company was wrong. Toque tobacco although barely a year old is already putting these old traditional snuff products to shame and to me they are only getting better with each offering they produce. Toque tobacco is obviously on the cutting edge of an old tradition (<------ shameless runner up slogan plug , lol). Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read this long post by a very opinionated member.

Nice post there Poo-Diddy

You got it deficiency, I’m real real good with the long range shot!!! Its one I practice on a regular basis. See that way I wouldn’t have to bring a firearm on campus! ;~)

A good assisted opening knife is always good to carry with you when you can’t use the CCW Permit like on campus. The permit for California is about the size of drivers license. Just enough room to list the guns you carry and your description and thumb print. If an officer pulls you over and runs your plates first before talking to you it will noted on there that you have a CCW. And here you are supposed to let the officer know on a traffic stop that you are carrying. Always good to carry a little recorder with you so if you happen to get an officer that is trying to dig a little to deep you can pull it out and say I don’t like the way this is going and I’m going to record the conversation. This will change the tone of the conversation quickly. Here in California this is recommended at most CCW training classes because here there are mixed opinions about civilian carry rights. There are a lot of officers who don’t think the avg. civilian should be allowed to carry. As there are only a few counties in the state that will issue them without jumping through hoops and I’m lucky enough to live in a county that issues them fairly easy. I know personally some people who have been treated wrong because they carry and how they looked at the time (as in there dress & vehicle, they were dressed kinda hillbilly because they were cutting wood all day) Supposedly they looked suspicious and back up was called and the vehicle searched. The officer pulled everything out of the truck, found nothing. They left everything out scattered about. The officers left, drove down the road just a bit and waited to see if they picked up everything. He missed a wrapper from a McDonalds burger and was cited for littering.

Troutstroker, it’s funny because in Texas your CCW is like a get out of jail free card. If you get pulled over here in Texas with a CCW the officer is much more relaxed and laid back because he knows you’ve got nothing to hide and you’ve passed a federal background check. I’ve been pulled over several times since getting my CCW and each time have received little more than a warning and thanks for your cooperation. Just a different culture here is the Lone Star state I guess.

Yeah California is not the best state to live if your a gun owner. Its getting harder & harder. Toooo many big wig liberals on the far left are hungry for power & don’t stop till they get there way. I’m a little worried about what it will be like in 5 years. Yes the Toque chocolate & ice go good. Like a Jr. Mint. Also the Espresso & Mint, & the chocolate & espresso.

Fine review. I have tried the Toque regular and snus ice, both delicious. My only question is when will Roderick start selling his wares in maybe 50 or 100g bottles? While the snuff bullet is a nice touch, it’s just not the preferred method for most of us. I’d venture to say Toque would do well to offer it’s product in quantities comparable to what snuffers are currently using. Just a thought…

All this talk about CCW makes me wish I still lived in Texas. Illinois has got to be one of the biggest commie states yet. I don’t think things will ever change for the better here. Especially in Chicago!

Why carry a gun in the first place? It’s not like the old bird in Buckingham Palace is going to march in and declare you a colony again lol

I feel every law abiding citizen should have the right to defend themselves! Here is an interesting quote about gun control. Something to think about. “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun control. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” Adolf Hitler, 1935

As a civilian dressed member of a gang team as part of the Chicago Police Department I am really torn as far as civilians being allowed to carry guns in public. I for one am somebody who has the right to carry 24-7 but rarely do I carry my weapon with me off duty. My reason for this is basically I made it through life in Chicago for a long time without one, so I just don’t see the reason now to carry it around. I try to keep myself out of places and situations where I would most likely need my gun. This is not to say I am 100% against civilians being able to carry. The Constitution itself gives civilians this right. But as far as my job goes I am extremely happy the way things are right now. You see somebody with a gun and instantly you know this is an arrest situation and you can act and prepare yourself for this situation accordingly, the situation being somebody you are about to deal with has a lethal weapon that can end my life and take me away from my family in a split second. As an officer if everyone was allowed to carry that would add a dimention to my job of now when seeing somebody with a gun as an officer I would have to take a split second to run through my mind is this a good citizen or a hardened gang banging criminal with a gun I am about to deal with. Either way the thing is to always remain sharp, alert and ready for the unexpected. All in all, I don’t really have an opinion one way or the other, I understand both sides reasonings in the situation. Either way I just strap on the vest and holster my Sig-9 and head out to work every day doing the most fun job I have ever had and hopefully every once in a while doing something good for somebody along the way…

Well Merlin228, from one NRA member to another I say, Amen!!! You can’t always stay out of troubles way, sometimes trouble find you!! Poo-Diddy wrote: "You see somebody with a gun and instantly you know this is an arrest situation and you can act and prepare yourself for this situation accordingly" As a CCW carrier you wouldn’t see the weapon unless they are brandishing it. And if they are brandishing it then yes you need to assess the situation. But most law abiding citizens with a CCW aren’t going to go around flashing their weapon, because this is grounds to get the CCW revoked, weapon seized & or arrested depending on the situation or even shot at by an officer who was a little to quick to act without fully assessing the situation. Also wrote:“the situation being somebody you are about to deal with has a lethal weapon that can end my life and take me away from my family in a split second” This is the exact same reason why a law abiding civilian would want to carry & should be allowed! To prevent the same thing from happening to them. Officers of the law are not the only ones who should be allowed to defend their own life or families life or property. If the time ever came that citizens of the U.S had to releigh on the government or there own state to keep them safe. We would all be in trouble. See what you started deficiency!!! Oh well I love good conversations from both points of view, thats what makes this forum so great!!!

Merlin, good to see you around, you make very valid points as I said in my post, both sides have fair arguments on the situation. I’m slightly biased probably because of my job, and the fact I don’t have to worry about it seeing that I can do as I choose (carry or not). I guess in the end the Constitution gives U.S. Citizens the right to bear arms and that should be honored. Then again, I see and know so many people that just plain have no business having a firearm. In my opinion, owning and carrying a firearm should require completion of some very extensive training. Just being a person who has not been convicted of a violent crime should not be enough to let you roam the streets of our cities with a gun. A license to carry a gun CAN NOT be as easy to obtain as a drivers license. If you think we have alot of unqualified drivers hurling around town in 2 ton weapons (which we do) imagine the carnage of unqualified untrained goofs handling high caliber handguns in public places… I’d be for citizens having the right to carry a handgun in public after meeting the following criteria… #1 - Be at least 25 years of age, I remeber when I was 18-24 and heck no I had no business being in control of a handgun in public. I think back to the many fist fights I got into and just think how short fused I was and think of the terrible things that could have happened had I been in possession of a firearm…90% of the streetfights nowadays involve drunken teens and young twenty-somethings, we don’t need youthful beer balls turning our streets into the wild, wild west… #2 - You must complete extensive training and re-qualify every year with your weapon. #3 - Of course the obvious, once convicted of any felony crime you lose your right to bear arms immediately. No guns for convicted felons…

Troutstroker, You make a great point when you say Police officers should not be the only ones with the means to defend thier families and property. Like I said to Merlin, The more I ponder this the more I tend to believe Qualified citizens should be allowed to carry guns if they so choose. It’s just like I said above. I believe the criteria should be stiff, Carrying a gun should be a right only a mature, responsible adult would be able to earn.

Well California you have to meet some of 2 of the 3 requirements you listed. You have 2 full days learning the laws & related material & learning hand guns in and out. Then you spend a day on the range with the instructor and perform various exercises with your hand gun & you have to meet a specific score on the targets before you can pass & then its still up to the Sheriff Dept. wether they issue you a CCW or not. And #3 is how it is here in CA already. But for #1, I don’t think age should matter as long as they are old enough to purchase the handgun, and as long as they went through training showing they know how to handle & operate it safely & have a valid reason for wanting it. It doesn’t matter if there is a gun there or not, if someone wanted to hurt someone due to a short fuse they would do it another way. Wether it was a knife, or a bat or a bottle! Here in CA if someone takes the time and goes through the courses to get the CCW, they are typically going to have respect for it & typically won’t be bringing the gun if they know they are going to be out drinking. You can’t punish those younger in age because some younger adults get drunk and fight it out in the street. When you add in the total population of Chicago, these rowdy kids are only a small small small percentage. I also think students or at least teachers should be allowed to carry on a college campus. If a student or teacher were allowed to carry on campus it COULD have possibly prevented something like the V-Tech massacre. Those students & faculty were sitting ducks, defenseless! And you know there is a good chance of something like this happening again. It could even be terrorist holding students & faculty hostage or even worse.

One thing that scares me about overly liberal (not polliticaly) gun laws. Would be many people don’t know a damn thing about guns useing guns. The V-tech incident for instance could have been made better or worse by civilians with guns. If they know guns well then good on the other hand if they don’t might have got some friendly fire happening. The gun people will like this too. I know a rifle isn’t really a concealed weapon but this is just an example of why some people are too ignorant (as in don’t know enough) to use guns. I have known gun owners that don’t think guns need to be cleaned and also think that a loaded rifle makes a fine walking stick.

P.s. it’s good to know that a few police snuff. So if I ever get stoped while snuff I know there is a chance that they might just wonder what brand I’am useing.

Trout, another reason why I believe thier should be an age limit such as my suggested 25 is the fact that most violent felons have committed this type of offense before thier 25th birthday. A good citizen that lives his life as a law abiding young man in my eyes has truly earned the right to carry his weapon. Of course like you said, I do understand your point that a younger person who intends to commit a violent crime with a gun will do so regardless and most likely without taking the time to get a carry license anyways. As I continue to ponder this topic over some Toque Chocolate. I’m thinking more on the lines of making gun laws more universal as our friend deficiency from Indiana stated, right now with laws as they are it is a real trick bag for people who live in places which allow you to carry a handgun. Chicago does not in any way honor these laws. You carry a gun in the Chicago City limits and you will be arrested and have your gun taken away. I say make the laws on guns universal nationwide, allow citizens to carry but instill more stringent penalties on convicted felons who are found in possession of handguns. I lock up convicted felons regularly in possession of handguns, and often times cringe as Judges immediately send these convicted felons back on the streets with nothing more than a year or 2 of probation. Thier is really no fear generated by the court system to enforce gun laws here in Chicago, making it an easy choice for these convicted gang banging felons to take the risk and carry and commit crimes with handguns. It gets even worse with the way laws against juveniles found in possession of handguns are handled. They never serve any time for possession of a handgun momma just comes and picks them up after they are arrested. The older members of these gangs already know this and recruit these “Shorties” as “runners”. Typically these older members run thier drug spots in this manner. You have the older cats supervising a corner, one juvenile taking the money from the customer before sending him to the next juvenile who then serves the product. With another juvenile out there holding the gun ready to “run” it to the any member upon request. These gun holding shorties are typically just 12 or 13 years old. Downright scary and even more sad… If the court system in the big cities would start enforcing the laws you would see a difference in crime immediately. If a convicted felon found in possession of a handgun was facing a lifetime in prison rather than a couple months in county only to be sent back onto our streets, you’d damm well see less convicted animals toting guns and committing violent crimes. We need to stop slapping these thugs on the wrist for thier crimes and start sticking our foots deep up thier azzes.

Hello to you all. My point of view is : criminals are growing up in our Western Civization, terrorists grows also, citizens NEED and deserves to have the basic right to defend themselves. And the most important reason is Police Forces may not guarantee to defend your lifes and properties, If criminals are armed why not honest citezens may do it? Pedro

Thanks to all those who joined in and to all those who put up with us. I truly love a good debate/conversation. They are hard to find these days. Brian.

Personally I think the terrorist argument is utter rubbish. In 1996 the IRA let a huge bomb off in Manchester city centre. My mother, grandmother, auntie, two of my friends and myself were on a shopping trip. About half ten in the morning we were all warned that a bomb may be about to go off and to evacuate. So we were all moved about half a mile away from where we were. Around half an hour later we heard a huge explosion that was a result of the biggest bomb detonated in the U.K since WW2. Luckily nobody was killed that morning but there were a lot of injuries, luckily ourselves not included. If anyone of us had been carrying a gun would it have made any difference? If terrorists want to kill and maim they will, thats the whole bloody point of them. Whats the point sinking to their level by carrying a gun? Just a thought.

Your right, there are times when a gun would be no help at all. But they don’t always use bombs. Sometimes they take schools hostage like the recent one in Russia. There are times when defending yourself can make a difference and times like with a bomb that it wouldn’t matter. But what would of happened if after the bomb went off they started going around the city and were shooting people & you saw them coming your way. Would you rather be a sitting duck or be able to maybe just maybe make a difference in the outcome? And your not sinking to their level by carrying a gun. Thats like saying all military and officers of the law are terrorists.

In my Country, with more than 1.000 people killed by different terrorists, the only cases with survivors after the terrorist attack were armed people. I alike with the opinion honest people and after a good training have the right to have fire arms and have the possibility to defend themselves. I am a Law Officer, I have 3 guns, why not my neighbour (a Medicin Doctor) may not have it?

This is what we use in Texas on land! This is what we use in Texas on water! And this is what we hunt…

I like the .50 cal BMG on the front of the quad!! Nice but too expensive to shoot. You would have to do your own reloading. Reminds me of Road Warrior

chas, I’m in Amador Co. Its just East of Sacramento. Its beautiful country & you’d be welcome. Well anywhere in California you can legally carry a concealed weapon with out a permit if you have a fishing license and are in the act of fishing or walking to or from your vehicle at the fishing location.

Just like to say that I ordered some products from Toque at 15:00 yesterday, and they arrived to me ant 10:30 this morning! Stunning customer service, and my first sniff of “original” and I’m hooked! Thanks Toque!!

Roderick is damn good with postage, and I agree that Original is a fantastic snuff, possibly my favourite.

wot a interesting post could start a new toque flavour. black powder/nitro a black med grind snuff with a high nicotine content and lots of smokey dark tobacco flavour.

First time reading this thread for me. Seems like these guys are all high on Toque.

Roderick… Spanish Gem. Amazing. I love it. Props to you for this fantastic snuff. Definitely a favorite of mine now.