I was talking to one of my university colleagues today and the subject of snuff arose. He told me that his late grandfather was an inveterate nasal snuff user, and, at the height of the Great Depression, had even ground his own snuff out of tomato leaves. I found this a fascinating idea, having never heard of such a thing. Tomato is of course a cousin of tobacco, both being members of the nightshade family. I do know that the widely held belief that tomato leaves are toxic is mainly an old wives tales, and I *have* heard of people smoking tomato leaves. How that would taste, I have no idea. What kind of nicotine hit it would have, I also have no idea. I imagine that the nicotine level in tomato leaves are much lower than the nicotine levels found in tobacco, but have been unable to find out just what exactly the relative nicotine content of tomato leaves actually are. So, has anyone here ever heard of tomato leaf snuff, or has actually tried smoking tomato leaves?
I’m no longer interested in smoking anything, but I would be willing to try snuffing tomato leaves. I bet it can’t smell or taste any worse than Taxi, right? Hey, maybe tomato leaf snuff can be the next Toque product. I’d be first in line to buy it, especially if Roderick adds a bacon and lettuce flavor to the tomato leaf base.
Taken from the FoodNavigater.com " Then, in 1820, Colonel Robert Johnson defied the advice of his physicians (“You will foam and froth at the mouth and double over”) and ate tomatoes on the steps of Salem Courthouse, New Jersey, in front of a crowd of 2000 witnesses, the local sheriff waiting to arrest him for suicide. He survived and people began slowly to accept tomatoes as food" @kjoerup Interesting post you started. Other than finding that tomatoes and peppers contain Nic, I couldn’t find an amount anywhere compared to tobacco. I’ll keep looking
I do recall a TV show discussing the relationship between tobacco and tomatoes. It was an episode of the Simpsons. Homer accidentally produces a hybrid of both plants and calls it “tomacco” People get the effects of nicotine by eating this fruit / vegetable. Of course the evil tobacco executives try to steal the plant from Homer. A must see I think, for all us tobacco enthusiasts.
lol I bet a tomato smoke wouldn’t have to have a government warning on it…at first…I’m laughing right now thinking about the anti-tobacco fiends pooping themselves over that… I also read somewhere that relatives of tobacco (like potatoes and eggplant and tomato and etc, you get the picture) all contain like 2 fewer “Suspected Carcinogens” than the dreaded tobacco. Stuff that in yer pipe anti-tobacco guys.
@miamimark: Ha! I love that episode. Ralphie Wiggum: “Daddy, these tomatoes taste like Grandma!”
TOOMMAAACCCCOOOOOOOO!!! heheh but seriously Tomatine is an alkaloid that that ‘interferes with cholinergic nerves and cause some serious gastrointestinal distress.’ tomatoes arent posionos but the the leaves and vines are. i wouldnt use it for rologed use, but id probably try it, if somone esle did and didn’t die or get any of these symptoms "Headache, abdominal pain, dilated pupils, vomiting, diarrhea, circulatory and respiratory depression, loss of sensation. " source - http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Lycopes.htm not so much an old wives tail…
No thanks. I’ll stick with my banana peels ; /
Some tribes in Peru, where tomatoes grow wild, smoke and chew tomato leaves. They must like it. From what i’ve heard, nicotine levels are pretty high.
Dried and ground and snuffed, it might be good.
Interesting. I wonder if the stems would have less nicotine or the vains and the differences. Suprising, I knew that they were both nightshade but I assumed the tomato plants had very little amounts of Nicotine. Interesting none the less. Let us know how it turns out.
Do we have any botanists on board at snuffhouse? All of the literature on nightshade leaves that I have found via Googling do note their high alkaloid content – and mention in passing that tobacco contains an even higher alkaloid content than the leaves of tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes, etc. All of these studies are concerned with the *eating* of tomato leaves, and of course no one ever thinks of ingesting tobacco leaves… I would surmise that if one were to eat tobacco leaves, we’d also be discussing “headache, abdominal pain, dilated pupils, vomiting, diarrhea, circulatory and respiratory depression, loss of sensation.” See below. @Wolfwood: Now let us take a look at what that site says about tobacco: Poisonous Part: All parts. Symptoms: Vomiting, diarrhea, slow pulse, dizziness, collapse, and respiratory failure. Toxic Principle: Nicotine and other alkaloids. Severity: HIGHLY TOXIC, MAY BE FATAL IF EATEN! http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Nicotta.htm By way of comparison, that sounds so much worse than the Severity: TOXIC ONLY IF LARGE QUANTITIES EATEN concerning tomatoes, no? @matsnuffs: It really would be hilarious and surreal if tomato leaves did somehow catch on as a tobacco substitute. Imagine the anti-tobacco loonies falling about themselves over that! How would they ban tomato plants? Will tomatoes be kept behind the counter, having a 2000% tax increase? Vine ripened tomatoes in the supermarket even have leaves on them! “Won’t someone PLEASE think of the children!!!” I was at my local health food store today. Out of curiosity I took a look at the vitamin/supplement section to see if there was anything made from tomato leaves. I did see a rather expensive “tomato leaf facial mask” imported from Italy. Apparently, it will give you the appearance of eternal youth and a “refreshing feeling of calmness.” I might have even bought it, but it seemed WAY overpriced. Ha! I can imagine flavored herbal “nasal therapy” made of, oh, ground tomato leaves – “tomato being among the world’s most cherished and wholesome of foods!” – sitting right next to the St. John’s Wort and the even more dubious herbal supplements. A mentholated one could be sold as the perfect organic winter cold treatment. Hey! Give the product an appropriately cuddly New Age name, à la “Auntie Lilith’s Organic Scented Botanical Elixir” and you’re good to go. I suppose these could also be classified as “aroma therapy” products… Wouldn’t that be a laugh?
Not me, but be careful what you do. In my days of pipe smoking a ran out of tobacco, found some dried up cactus leaves at the bottom of my mothers plants. Stuck 'em in my pipe and went on a long trip.
@snuffhead wonder what kindof cactus… san pedro has some high mescaline content, but i alwys ssumed that’d get destroyed in the burn… innnterrresstiing. @kjoerep - hmmmm yeah, that is true, that was mainly talkinga bout eating the stuff. snuffhea has inspired me im gonna go colelct some tomato leaves and give this a shot. ill smoke some first, and if i get anyhting good ill formulate a snuff. and ill get back to ya’ll Pray for me!!
The only fair and honorable thing for me to do is join Wolfwood on this fantastic voyage. I just happen to have several large tomato plants outside my door, and earlier this afternoon I harvested a good amount of leaves from each one. I am going to allow them to air dry for a spell, then will grind them up with a mortar and pestle. As I have various types of tomato plants, I am going to make various snuffs out of each respective leaf variety: Beefsteak, Brandywine and Cherokee Purple. I’ll report back with the results. For the hell of it, I’m even going to make a snus from these leaves. Just for fun.
i like it. i ahve to admit the flavour leaves a bit to be sidesred, but i thinkt hat this has some potential as an ingredient in an herbal smoking blend. im working one up. got an order in to one of my favourite herb sites, and will see what i can do about getting a recipe going.
I’m still letting my leaves dry out. So did you detect any nicotine in it?
You notice, after snuffing tomato leaves Wolfwood is spelling dislexicly ( is that a word?). Could be the tomato leaves are affecting his coordination.
nah that’s the pills we’ve been sliping into his vitamins. Kind of like instant coffee ads from years ago except instead of folgers or something wit h your regular coffee it’s thorzine replacing your vitamins and we’re only doing it to wolfwood and oh there are no hidden cameras.
Any new word on the Tomato Leaf Snuff?
I still have 3 bowls of the stuff drying out here. I hope to grind it within the next few days.
Hey I don’t wanna put a dampener on the tomato project lol but I figure I should warn you that nearly all solanaceae plants (with rare exceptions such as, luckily, Nicotiana tabacum ) contain tropane alkaloids which cause delerium and all sorts of unpleasant side effects (ultimately death) if you go over the top (solanine is another problem). I mean there are people out there (not many - most stick to safer psychoactives) who get off on hallucinating after smoking/eating deadly nightshade, datura and no doubt tomato foliage … Its going to be a little more intense than your average nic rush from snuff though hehe. Though saying that im not sure what effect fermentation or curing will have on such molecules; possibly destroy them? But if the pH2 of stomach acid doesnt destroy the toxins i’m not fermentation will… Im sure many such toxins have been bred to lower levels in tobacco plants too, but not with tomatos as no one ingests the foliage, only the fruit.
If this is gonna be dried and ground and in the nose, I’d think it would not have the same effects, or negatives one may have if eaten.
Actually, tom, it could make them worse. For an easy example, how often do you here of people eating cocaine? You need to eat much more of it to produce the same effects as a tiny amount up the nose. Some compounds are better absorbed through the nose. Hell, even Erowid, a website that is far in the pro-drug camp, warns people to stay away from nightshade and anything related to it. Most people who have noticed effects from these plants have had a very bad time, and in many cases it’s pretty easy to die. Not trying to discourage anyone, but proceed with caution.
I tried dadtura once, its called jimson weed here and it grows everywhere. I would talk to people turn around and they would just be magically gone! I would think I dropped my cigarettes and look for them only to realize I never smoked in the first place. its fucked up, look to see if your pupils dialate when you take it, you can only see stuff from 2+feet away - everything else is like fog.
*********************************************************disclaimer*************************************************************** dont believe anything i say. im not a doctor, botanist, or chemist. im just a peckerwood with to much free time! *********************************************************disclaimer*************************************************************** @mrmaroon - yes i know the feeling. i had a feeling of being uper super wasted. and my mom came over and knocked on my door. so i jsut tried to keep my sh*t together so she wouldnt notice and i invited her in. well long story short after a 2 hour conversation, i realized i ahd been talking to my toaster oven the whole time. @Nachman - HAH! its eurt! ermm true! no i sometimes scarifice accuracy for speed when typing. i’ll translate – i have to admit the flavour leaves a bit to be desired, but i think that this has some potential as an ingredient in an herbal smoking blend. im working one up. got an order in to one of my favourite herb sites, and will see what i can do about getting a recipe going. -------------------------------------------- @shikitohno - i agree. nightshades do have that reputation. and i wouldnt recomend anyone doing this. and if ou decide to be extremely cautios and use care when dosing. especially as this particualr leave is virtually undocumented. this is practicalyl unbroken ground. something i see as a challenge… @kjoreup - Detectable nicotine. yes. but there was another quality, a kindof dreaminess. but only after a full bowl. keep in mind this is Smoked not insufflated. i am still waiting one some Damiana as well as a few other herbs, that i will see if i can formualte a blend with. and maybe a snuff. i havent snuffed any yet! so let me know how that turns out if you get to it before me. *********************************************************disclaimer*************************************************************** dont believe anything i say. im not a doctor, botanist, or chemist. im just a peckerwood with to much free time! *********************************************************disclaimer*************************************************************** ps- Bob! no wonder I’ve benne aslone fintne garflinkoth
OK, now I am curious about this jimson weed…
Datura (Jimson Weed) is a very, very bad idea. The alkaloids present throughout the plant interfere with the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, causing full blown *delerium*. At least with bud & mushrooms you’re still in control of your mind and body. However… reading about people’s experiences is always entertaining http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp\\_Datura.shtml
yeah i agree. jimson weed = no fun its like having a bad dream and you cant wakeup becasue you arent asleep. gene simmons stalked me with abaseball bat for 2 hours. then i sat on my recliner, and out fo the corner of my eye i saw a rattlesnake slither underneath it. i was mortified event hough i knew it wasnt real, (but what if it was real!!) and couldnt put my feet down. i went into my room becasue my dad had some company over, so i tried to goto sleep. i felt two or the bugs (we had scorpions int hat house) crawl up my legs under my pants, and i totally freaked and started running leaving a trail of clothes through the living room and all the wat to the laundry room where i found myself copletely nude fromt he waste down. apparently i stripped down to my skin infornt of compnay! omfg embarassing jsut thinking about it. so in short, even i, (an experianced psychonaut) coudnt keep ym shit together. it isnt a psychedlic, it is a deleriant. not if you want to nduce delerium to experiance what an extremely mentally ill person deals with allt he time, by all emans eat 5 or six seed pods, if you enjoy sanity, or at the most CONTROLLED altered sanity, stay away from this plant! and yes, it is still making me a dyslexic typist.
Yeah, jimson weed can be nasty stuff, however if you really feel the need to try some, I would recommend taking only a small dose and cutting it with some sort of euphoric such as lion’s ear (Leonotis Leonurus) or diviner’s sage (Salvia Divinorum).
Well, if it does all that, I’d suspect it must be illegal, and hard to get?
ok not to hijack tis thread frther, but salvia divinorum i wouldnt say falls into the euphoric catagory. sure that cna be an effect, but when misused it can give even more frightening effects that jimson weed. i would say that salvia d. is an extremely powerful plant ally, but one that demands respect. i ahve had mroe than one freind try to ‘get off’ with it, and endup in a mental hell. however the same freinds when they prepared themselves mentally and physically for a meaningful spiritual exploratory type experiance, where rewarded with incredibly meaningful revelations and emotions. psychedleics of this caliber are to be used with care and most of all with Respect. although lions ear is good plan, and perhaps with the proper preperation, Sally D. could be used with success. seeing as minus mescaline, Datura Strammonium has most of the alkaloids of peyote. in essence you would be replacing the mescaline with Salvinorin A. could work, but i dont feel that i have anythign to gain from further experimentation with deleriants
@tom502 neither infact. it grows wild almsot everywhere, is a popular decoration or landscaping centerpeice ebcasue of the showy large trumpet shaped flowers. Belladonna has many of the same properties and i believe it is even more common.
Oh my stars. You folks are a hoot no doubt. Anecdotal story A bit over 30 years ago there was a dryspell in town. No weed. Anywhere. Hard Times! Big Jim, well over 6ft and 250lbs., couldn’t handle it. Smoked and chewed the Jimson for a couple of days. I saw him a few months ago walking along the side of the road. Looks just the same as he did after his Jimson experience. Still wears the protective helmet he was given at the psych ward, still has the same odd hunched over hobble. Skinny as a rail but he does have a permanent smile…
@OTD – No foolin? wowzers!
No fooling Wolfwood. As I prefaced the post, twas an anecdotal comment to go along with the direction the thread appeared to be taking… wowzers
well more support of my position that nothing good can come of this substance. IMHO anyway.
I read a few sites on it, one said, people who do it once, don’t do it again.
that was my experiance, it is just toooooooo much man. if im goingt o put somehting in ym body #1 it isnt going to be posionous #2 it is goingt o be fun #3 it wont last 32 hellish hours. but back on topic. tomatoe leaves havent had any of these types of effect (smoked) infact i see some potential for it in the herbal smoking blends arena. (as ive said before) and i wonder if snuffing it is a good idea… as we havent ehard from kjoreup lately… hope hes ok!
What makes it really bad is not the fake things you see (although at the time they seem real) but you lose your grip on being able to tell what is real and what isn’t. Example: I was high on Jimson and in my bedroom. My father came up and said the cops were downstairs and wanted to talk to me, he then walked out of my room. Now what went on in my head was this - Situation 1: My father was real and the cops are down there, go talk to the cops and everything checks out. Situation 2: My father was fake, and therefore so were the cops, stay in room and pretend it isn’t real. Now, I had a 50-50 chance to get this right! How it could have gone wrong - Situation 1: I go and talk to fake cops downstairs, and my parents wonder what the hell I am doing. Situation 2: I pretend it is fake, but what if the cops are there? I would end up in jail! I chose situation 1, because it would be better to get caught by my parents then by the police. I was correct in that the cops were there and everything was real; However, you can see now how everyday situations turn in to mega dillemas. I believe this is what causes some to go “Crazy”.
Im gonna be a weird contributor to this because at 45 I’ve led two lives, both distinct and very different. Up to the age of 25 I was a pro rock musician. I lived the life and did the stuff, I’m sure I don’t need to spell it out. Now for the last 20 years Ive been a cop, basically cos I was starving, had a kid on the way and no security. I got into a job that everyone that knew me could not believe. However, thats life. Ive now seen drugs from every angle and was myself heavily addicted to opiates for several years. As a cop Ive been with junkies watching the entire process from having just taken a hit to it wearing off and CT setting in and him pleading for any kind of help to get off. Ive also CT’d many, many times before myself. These experiences leave me with a certain perspective on drugs. Just go easy; know your substance, have a minder and if it starts to take over or progress get help. But I have to say, and I know many may find this just boring bullshiot from an old guy; just don’t start or even experiment. I’ve watched great kids go from playing around to dying over the last couple of decades. I really don’t mean to piss on anyone’s cheerio’s and just ignore me if this irritates. I certainly have no judgement to dispense. Peace Snuffster.
I’ve been reading through the posts and what I’ve read scared me out of my mind. As you know I’m a recovering alcoholic and I NEVER want to be in a position again where I’m not fully in control of my actions. I did terrible things when I was was drunk and I don’t want a repeat of that. Someone gave me some cannabis a while ago. I kept it for a while and then just dumped it.
There is one way I’ve done datura relativly safely. Unfortunatly I don’t know the reciepe or even how to begin to find it. Put there is a way to make a topicaly ingestable amount. It’s really strange because it doesn’t really do anything except things get brighter and you’ll have a few really vivid lucid hallucinations. I had a great and interesting conversation with a statue of the virgin mary. interestingly I knew it was a hallucination the whole time. Well that’s all the more I’ll say about it because I don’t want to encourage anyone to try anything stupid.
Hrmm, now I’m wondering how Sally D would be in a snuff.
Sink. Bit too druggy here.
and snuff isnt? (:
What exactly is “Sink” ?
Ahh, I see. This thread will eventually fade into the past… Nice feature!
lol goldenboy. where the hell is the OP?
Here I am. Yesterday, I finally ground the tomato leaves into snuff. I used three varieties of tomato leaves, and I can’t really detect much taste difference between the three. I will say that, yes, it is one hell of a nicotine hit. I’ve had several huge pinches with no noticeable side effects. The snuff itself tastes vaguely of tomatoes. I am certain that there has to be a better way to cure this. Verdict: it works; lots of nicotine. Taste wasn’t terrible but it was rather heavily herbal. This does have potential.
I know this is flagged sink, just commenting in case it gets turned up. I don’t recall the name of the chemical, but there is something other than nicotine in tomato leaves and it’s a toxin. Not suggested. For a tobacco alt, look up lobelia inflata. Not as toxic and has lobeline which is a nicotine like alkaloid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobelia\\_inflata Then again, a tin of Toque is likely more satisfying.