I am the official spokesperson for the ISTA and authorized to answer any questions and comments regarding these two items. ISTA mission statement: The ISTA aims to promote the understanding of nasal snuff and encourage the study of its history and traditions. ISTA members seek to achieve these aims by making available their collective knowledge, skills and experience Membership criteria: The International Snuff-Takers’ Association is an inclusive society open to anyone who has been an active, contributing member of Snuffhouse.org for not less than two years or who has demonstrated service to the promotion of snuff in another venue. These include but are not limited to: publishing a book or magazine about snuff; maintaining a blog or website about snuff; maintaining or progressing the skills of snuff blending and manufacturing snuff; moderating a snuff forum; proficiency in a craft that promotes snuff taking such as making snuff boxes; or any other demonstrable activity that promotes snuff taking.
Well that about knocks me out of the running but I suppose i’ll talk to you further in 2 years :))
@general_desaix - yes you can apply in 22 months, unless you fall into the second category. Then you can be considered for membership . We need driven enthusiastically knowledgeable talented and diplomatical individuals to work together ,united to achieve ISTA goals.
Well it’s probably better that way— as most of you can see, the only knowledge I have is what ones I like and what ones I don’t and I don’t think that does anyone else much good :))
@general_desaix - This is the reasoning behind the two year commitment to snuffhouse .org .A plethora of knowledge and experience can be achieved in that period; depending on the zeal you express on this snuff lifestyle
@basement_shaman agreed— will leave it to the experts-- I’m just a “user” EDIT: meaning this seriously— I wouldn’t belong in ISTA anymore so than I’d belong in a pipe tobacco blending firm-- I just like the finished product(s); meaning I hope you all get on well enough with it and keep snuff culture going. good luck with it
Shouldn’t there be different levels of membership, rather than excluding people from this “inclusive” association?
Shouldn’t there be different levels of membership, rather than excluding people from this “inclusive” association?
Hmm, sounds rather “exclusive”. I understand the thinking, but perhaps there could be Jr. Members or an Auxillary or some such. Just a thought. Any org that is actively working towards forwarding the snuff cause is A-OK with me.
Affiliate, Associate, Member and Fellow would be a good format. Strength in numbers.
@TomAD I wish there was. We are new and just growing, in the future the may change and be more relaxed. How can ISTA evaluate a member with a one month record to examine? It this possible. The criteria is in place and shows the prospective members dedication to the forum . If you desire , just go to the introduce yourself thread page 72 one year past, or pick any page on any thread at the same time period; Look at the people who had joined and are they active now? There is a lot of new members that are like candles burning on both ends, they are on fire at first and have seriously added good content to the forum and then they are gone. This is why 2 years was employed. The ISTA is not for Camaraderie: it is for the business aspect complying with the ISTA mission statement. The forum is where all the fun is! If you have any other questions about the criteria or mission statement I am here for you. Thank you for your suggestion this may come to fruition in time .
^ @basement_shaman "There is a lot of new members that are like candles burning on both ends, they are on fire at first and have seriously added good content to the forum and then they are gone. This is why 2 years was employed. " makes sense-- I’d interest at first, but truly I already get what I need here — I just need to know what snuff(s) suck and what ones are alright— so no need for the ones like myself to apply really. wouldn’t make good sense— I don’t see the reasoning behind a “tiered” org either as being discussed above-- too, if camaraderie meant to be then it is-- it cannot be “joined” or purchased… Further, I’m more a candle-burner myself, ha! Proves my lack of worthwhile input in regard to something like what ISTA is about-- again, no “expert” here and no need to be-- like many, I just enjoy tobacco… and quite decidedly happy as a pig in shit with regular membership now that I’ve a firmer grip on the purpose of ISTA.
Surely the mission statement would be better served in an open and inclusive forum such as snuffhouse? Rather than having an exclusive club that only certain people can view, if you want to promote snuff then keep it as is on an open forum rather than hidden away. What the mission statement says is what I thought this forum did anyway, so it makes this whole ISTA redundant, as all you’re doing is hiding away in a corner basically telling the people who you want to appeal to and educate, they aren’t good enough to be a member of your exclusive club. In the snus world we keep it open and available to all regardless of length of membership or role in the community, that way everyone feels involved and able to contribute, it’s worked for us from when snus was relatively unknown outside Sweden to what it is now. The mission statement appears to me to say, if you’re not in our special club we don’t care about you. So how do you propose to promote snuff to those not in the club? Does it not make sense to just keep it all out in the open on this forum like it was? Why the need for the exclusivity and criteria?
@Skell18 I love your zeal ,and I hope you consider membership come November .It’s not that we are hiding anything and we do care for all whom enjoy snuff, also those whom never knew it existed. Right now this ISTA is just getting started, we have yet any proposed plans. Committees need to be established and the wrinkles need ironing out. All this takes time and time at the ISTA runs very slowly. it was conceived and hopefully can grow into a working association. I am sorry for the non transparency ,I am sure all information will be fully disclosed when available. If the ISTA wanted to be a secret club then no one here would know of it’s existence. And I certainly would not want to be involved. The criteria is in place because we need a few elder statesman . I feel there will come a day when the public won’t look at me sideways, when I use snuff and I hope the ISTA is the reasoning that makes it happen.
I’ve been waiting for the ISTA to come about before anyone in this thread was even a member of Snuffhouse, and while it would seem special to be a part of, honestly, I don’t feel like its as big of a deal as everyone is treating it, whether in the ISTA or otherwise… I think every one should just calm down about it, I mean, its been years for it to even get where it is now, still seems like a long time coming before anything drastic happens… -Kidnapper
Update: Who really wants a united acceptable friendly free-info Snuff community? :-?
Guys and Gals, I feel the need to speak up here. Many forums have a “moderators board” a area where a few respected ( or not so much) people can discuss issues, opportunities or problems out of sight of the full forum before taking action. ISTA is NOT a elites club where members can discuss stuff that the non members will never hear about. ISTA is about taking new ideas from long time enthusiasts and shooting them down or promoting them to the larger community IF it would be beneficial. The only truly secret thing ITSA would do is conceal the existence of a new snuff, if asked, until the manufacturer allows it to be revealed. We in the snus blogger community do it all the time. We hear stuff from our sources and are told to keep it quiet for whatever amount of time they desire, usually until right before it’s ready for market. Right now ITSA is merely trying to feel out what they should be doing and how to proceed. That, rightly, is being done out of the public eye. I have a feeling that once the kinks are worked out ITSA membership requirements will be adjusted and loosened. Every club out there started with a few “special” members. All still have a guiding group that sits in their ivory towers and makes sure the gears are greased properly. Sorry if I overstepped any lines here @basement_shaman .
Well have at it then :)) If it’s already chosen, let’s all drop it move on and then if you all are interested, then drop the chosen party a line :). I don’t care if it’s “secret” or not-- I’m already a member of a “secret” type deal and know full well that there is nothing “secret” about it-- lol-- excepting maybe that we’d NEVER get any new membership minus the intrigue of ages past---- SO, let’s all let the ISTA do its thing unabated—
The goals of the ISTA are important to me. I would love for snuff to be accepted and popular enough to be found here locally. But I think any “official” steps would best be carried out by our more experienced members. We can all do our part by continuing to take snuff in public, and by presenting our ideas to the ISTA members here on the forum. But I’m concerned that we gain the advantages of being well accepted, without losing some of the advantages of being “under the radar”. For instance; the e-cigarette craze has grown so big so fast that now the anti-tobacco people, the tobacco companies, and the people that make the patches, gum, and locenges are all trying to get them regulated or out right outlawed in the U.S. (unsafe for the children, etc.). While I have no personal problem with people who delight in taking snuff using cocane paraphernalia, or college kids posting you tube videos of themselves snuffing “lines” or sniffing an entire box of Gawith Apricot all at once, I don’t think they would best represent us. Long story short is; I agree with the proposed membership restrictions.
I try to understand where I’m wrong… At the end, Member or No Member of ISTA i want to help Snuff Community wherever i can. Good luck! I’m sure that something good may be grow in the future.
“I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member” (Groucho). Haha. I’m fine with it. None of it changes the flavor of the snuff in my nose. My elder sifus, go out and do battle for your younger brothers and sisters!
Seems like another Mr Snuff marketing ploy…
Seems like another Mr Snuff marketing ploy…
Care to elaborate @shezzuk1? i see no relation to mrsnuff.
I realize my last post might have come across as sarcastic or flippant. I didn’t mean it that way. I think the snuffhouse forum is a great resource, I’ve got a lot out of it – and hope, to the best of my limited ability, to put back in. I admit that when I first heard about ISTA, I thought it might devalue the forum, with the interesting discussions going on behind doors. But reading some of the explanations, I don’t think it’s really a club for users as much as for industry people, retailers, and hard core advocates. That’s fine. At present, if they want to communicate privately, they probably just use a limited email list. Nothing wrong with establishing some forum for them to communicate more effectively. Probably would have worked just as well without a public announcement inviting participation, which might tend to lead to some people feeling excluded, but that’s a minor point.
It’s a committee rather than an association of snuff takers. Anyway, as long as it does its job, the name is irrelevant.
I like the concept by definition, when my 2 years is up I’ll gladly join.
As far as international snuff taking goes - I am half Hungarian, half Welsh, born in England, married a Polish woman, live in Luxembourg, my kids were born here and I take snuff - so I reckon that makes me a fairly international snuff taker B-) oh yeah I almost forgot - I also speak 5 languages which is fairly normal where I live but again it kind of adds to the internationalness (is that a word??) of my snuff taking as I can order it and discuss it with people of other nationalities.
I don’t care one way or the other about being a member. I’m not in the snuff business in any way. I don’t care about promoting its use or non use. I am happy to read and comment here, on this site. I have learned a great deal from other snuffers, but I liked snuff forty five years ago, still like it and use it. As long as I can purchase snuff, and make my own creations, I will be happy. I agree with the comment by Grouch Marx quoted above. Thats how I feel about it.
I am glad that there is something to promote its use, especially here in America. It would be nice to open up the market here (but then that is a totally self-serving comment) and I’m sure the snuff makers would agree with that sentiment. Making money is always a good thing. And anything that gets people off cigarettes… I tell my girlfriend a variation of Groucho’s quote above: That I don’t trust her judgment. After all, she’s dating me…
Seems like another Mr Snuff marketing ploy…
Care to elaborate @shezzuk1? i see no relation to mrsnuff.
MrSnuff owns this forum therefore the ISTA…
But he didnt own the forum when ISTA first started, and as far as i am aware it is independent of mrsnuff.
But he didnt own the forum when ISTA first started, and as far as i am aware it is independent of mrsnuff.
Anything to do with snuffhouse.org is to promote mrsnuff.com That’s why any detrimental posts are soon ‘snuffed out’, like mine a while ago. You’ll notice when the credit card fraud was going on he claimed it was a ‘virus on our computers’…it sucks mate!
You watch I’ll get banned now lol
@shezzuk1if you have a question ,I am here to address them
@shezzuk1 I’ve been here for 4 years and have never once purchased from mrsnuff.com, nor have I ever been persuaded to… -Kidnapper
He doesn’t own the ISTA and is not involved in it in any way. Owning the site doesn’t mean he owns the ISTA concept; it is not owned by anyone. If he interfered - which he never would - we would move to another platform. Posts are removed by the mods not Dave and they are completely independent - that was agreed before I sold him this site and is still the case.
too put it short and sweet. Snuffhouse is about hanging out with snuffers. The ISTA has a mission. Enjoying snuff even rarely and on occasion makes you good to hang out with as a snuffer. Having a snuff mission requires knowledge experience. That’s all.
And congrates to mr @Basement_shaman
Seems like I have to throw this out every now and then so here goes: Yes, @MrSnuff “owns” Snuffhouse. No, the moderators are not employees of @MrSnuff. Besides communicating through emails (and I think one phone conversation) I have never even met Dave in person; though I’d love to. No, the purpose of the ISTA is not to push Mister Snuff, that wasn’t the intention in 2006/2007 when it was created and that’s not the purpose now. @MrSnuff isn’t even an ISTA member… No, the moderators don’t take directions from Dave. He doesn’t tell us how to run the forum just like we don’t tell him how to run his business. No, @MrSnuff doesn’t pick the moderators. Most of us besides @Lunecat were moderators before Dave even purchased the site. No, not everything to do with Snuffhouse is to push Mister Snuff. Look, the guy pays the bills to keep this site going, so yes if he wants to post about new products or discounts or what-not then yes he is going to do so. If you guys want to dig deep in your pockets and throw some cash at the site then maybe that can change. No, the moderators or staff of the site don’t run the ISTA; there is a committee that runs the thing. I’m not even a member, you know the whole separation of powers idea. If anyone has any other questions about the intimate workings of the site, feel free to PM me.
I think he does it to distract himself from the underside of his bridge.
Simple facts about snuffhouse and Mr.Snuff. The forum hasn’t changed dramatically since before when Dave was just a member and now. Second fact when you run a business selling a product that is obscure and are one of the few merchants of it is a good idea to do anything you can to increase awareness of said product. Or in other words with the lack of people who know snuff or how to use it or much about it when compiled with the lack of competition in the marketing of snuff any thing that increases these awarenesses is going to be good for your business and doesn’t have to be brand specific. Or in other words this conspiracy non-sense is non-sense.
Gentlemen, we live in the free world. If people want to start an organization or group that includes some and excludes others, for whatever reason, it is their right to do so.
Gentlemen, we live in the free world.
Free world??? where is that?
Point taken. Thank you. Apparently, some folks right here on Snuffhouse live in a world where they can start an organization that includes some and excludes others. And others, like myself, think it’s great. Of course, when viewed in terms of metaphysics, a strong case can be made to show that freedom is an illusion, myth, or pipe dream. On the other hand, many of us enjoy a good degree of liberty (as opposed to freedom) in the political sense under certain governments, while many of us under other governments have very little liberty. And then again, some people under a particular government may have more liberty while others (for example, minorities) under the same government have almost no liberty. But freedom itself may not exist at all. In that sense, to be sure, there would be no such thing as a free world. I can see I need a few more bumps of snuff so that I can stop writing this drivel. 8-}
@fredhanna, if you aren’t careful, I’ll start quoting Jean-Paul Sartre at you.
@fredhanna, if you aren’t careful, I’ll start quoting Jean-Paul Sartre at you.
Yikes! Please don’t do that @JakartaBoy! Unless, of course, you think that we are “condemned to be free.”
My advice to you @fredhanna is get married: if you find a good wife you’ll be happy, if not, you’ll become a philosopher. - Socrates in both cases you can dreaming freedom for free - Nikolaos
Thank you @Nikolaos!
YOU! My friends, cannot join the organization that does not exist. But where two or more have got together there it is. The radicals that are free to be attracted can move closer with time being their freedom. With this time we can see the illusion. Otherwise what are we?
been dipping into the Bohica again @Juxtaposer? Free radicals, lol.
Well, I’m a three year member, and I’m also assistant manager at a large tobacconist where I’m pretty much the only snuff guy on staff. Could you use me?
@firemarth and anyone else interested, yes. Please send a PM to our membership coordinator and elected spokesman @basement_shaman
Point taken. Thank you. Apparently, some folks right here on Snuffhouse live in a world where they can start an organization that includes some and excludes others. And others, like myself, think it’s great. Of course, when viewed in terms of metaphysics, a strong case can be made to show that freedom is an illusion, myth, or pipe dream. On the other hand, many of us enjoy a good degree of liberty (as opposed to freedom) in the political sense under certain governments, while many of us under other governments have very little liberty. And then again, some people under a particular government may have more liberty while others (for example, minorities) under the same government have almost no liberty. But freedom itself may not exist at all. In that sense, to be sure, there would be no such thing as a free world. I can see I need a few more bumps of snuff so that I can stop writing this drivel. 8-}
You only have the “rights” (freedom) that you are willing to assert-- I assert mine. Fully. Philosophical bollocks –
Can I have a list of current members?
ssshhh, it’s seekret, if they told you they’d have to kill you, lol.
No secrets. Even naysayers are welcome. We need enthusiastic talented individuals to make this project work. Now more than ever. Please send your applications. Current roster: @Abraxas @basement_shaman @bigmick @bob @crullers @doctorbeat @ermtony @Harlequin @Jari_T @Johnny @Justin @Khalid @kidnapper @Koba22 @Kurtsnose @Lunecat @Miamimark @n9inchnails @puffpuff @Roderick @sixphoto @Theboggart @Thorgrimnr @Xander
Clearly I don’t understand the difference between ISTA and Snuffhouse. How do the aims of the two groups diverge sufficiently enough to justify excluding plain old snuff users? Why keep their discussions secret? Wouldn’t an open thread dedicated strictly to the aims of the group work just as well?
@Mouse when something dress up with privacy seems to be more attractive and protected from tepidity I don’t know what is the best weapon of ISTA, is privacy? but i know well that the best weapon of a Snuff community should be the weapon of openness. Secrecy once accepted becomes an addiction.
Private, yes. Secret, no. There is a difference. There is no privilege in being in the ISTA. Its work. The mission of the ISTA is as above. The mission of Snuffhouse is simply to converse with fellow snuff enthusiasts and share information. Most ISTA conversation so far has only revolved around bureaucratic topics, such as voting and organizing mission statements, purpose, direction,mottos, logos, etc. There is little talk of snuff or anything most would consider fun, and it would not be of interest to the general Snuffhouse community. If you are interested in the above topics, you are welcome to apply.
Man, as I look back, we all qualify as free radicals!
@number_seven Couldn’t agree more! I don’t know why people get all wrapped up in “commercialism”. Commerce is one of the most powerful and glorious features of human society. I am grateful that there are at least a few folks who are willing to accept my money and send me some snuff, as there are not many people who will. And besides, even when Dave might promote his snuff retail business on a snuff web forum, he is simply trying to do his job, as a snuff retailer, well. It is no more or less “corrupt” or “subversive” than you trying to do well at your job, whatever it may be.
@Kpod Didn’t post in this thread, but I’m not going to argue: I love when people agree with me Edit: Oops, yes, i did…
I am curious, how does the ISTA plan on furthering the “cause” of snuff? Or is it too early to be talking about that? Will you be looking for snuffs from exotic countries to bring to western markets? Hitting up brick and mortar stores? Canvassing politicians? I do think the most effective way to promote snuff is simply to share it generously, most of my male friends are at least casual snuffers at this point.
If there is something that you would like to see the ISTA do then please let us know. The more ideas that we bounce around the better. By the way both of those ideas have already been done by ISTA members. Have you heard of Spanish Jewel? You might want to look that one up.
I think looking for snuffs that have never been tried before would be a super super cool goal for an international snuff taker’s organization!
Well, probably the most obvious thing, and from a “West of the Pond” perspective would be the issue of access to snuffs here in the States. That, however, will be difficult from a small grassroots organization for an obscure (from our perspective) fringe product. Perhaps the best thing is to try and position as an alternative to even vaping, which is getting notice because the liquid nicotine is so incredibly dangerous and is going to get regulation quite soon. Perhaps a word of mouth campaign through local media as well as blogs and other social media outlets. Of course, it’ll be an uphill battle, but worth it…
I think this is a excellent idea. A more unified voice of the snuffing community! Hopefully less like Philip Morris. Or more like. I forgot how they are doing lately. I feel if we were to direct people to snuffing house they would be over whelmed. If their were a committee to organize and, determine useful information, I would think it would be better for all of us.
Oh it seems the committee is underway. I’m bad at reading dates. I stand by what I said though. I demand less people looking at me oddly when I snuff! Their will still be some I understand. right now it is all of them though. All of them is too many.
@Igglet: you might like to hear this: Philip Morris is closing down their cigarette factory in Bergen op Zoom, The Netherlands. Jaap Bes.
When you say, “making available their collective knowledge” - have you decided yet what form that will take, and available to whom? I accept of course that any organisation is at liberty to decide its own membership criteria.
Members of the Brotherhood should be watching recent developments with vaping and learning from the experience of organizations that represent vapers’ interests. What happens with the regulation of gaping is probably a five year deja vu for what will happen with snuff.
The odd thing is snuff has been around longer than any of them. One would think with its long history there would be a acceptance. Or at least tolerance.
The problem with snuff becoming popular is Governments will get $ signs in their eyes if the popularity of snuff soars and the big tobacco companies will try to crush it into the dust when they see it hurting their sales
I believe that the fate of Nasal snuff will be stay underground life sentence… and that is the end of the story… Big smoking sharks will never allow the growing of Nasal snuff and all that with the blessings of societies of course.
I kind of like where snuff is. Under the radar where I am and, not heavily taxed. The vapor industry is taking some huge hits though. It makes me sad when something that is better than smoking is being hit so hard. The fruit flavors are not for the damn children! Adults like fruit! I like fruit! I ate a whole pound of blueberries in one day damn it! I will push a child down for blueberries!
I’d rather it was more well known, considered reasonably safe and a hugely safer alternative to smoking - accepted by the public and treated very progressively by governments worldwide as Sweden does with snus. Taxed, but at a reasonable rate (i.e. a moderate excise tax, but not a penalty or health tax) The UK and New Zealand actually have some level of acceptance by government officially already. It is my hope that the ISTA can work to achieve this someday, although it is not now their explicit purpose.
Some great fun posts there chaps. If anything good for snuff can come out of it then I am all for this association. Snuff is undergoing a resergence and I feel that it could even accelerate greatly now with the explosion of vaping - though I prefer quality over volumes- so best to be prepared, after all they are both smoke free products the advantage of snuff being it is still a natural product and real tobacco and they (vaping and snuff) both go together so well. I see also that finally in the news there has been some positve accurate real life research done (in contrast to the fantasy of the curtailers) regarding vaping which shows that it does not lead to people taking up smoking i.e is not a “gateway” and of course enables people to cease smoking. They might claim it’s a gateway to snuff though so we may need to be careful. Vaping is the future and I don’t think anything is going to stop it and if snuff gets even a small piece of the action then it’s going to be huge also and pretty soon and if that brings benefits to snuff in better products etc then I’m all for that also.
Can anyone advise me what the aim, constitution and goals of this association are? Snuff is a ‘way-of-life’ and each snuffer has their own ideals, favourites, etc. Certainly there is, or aught to be, a mutual feeling of generosity and comradeship between snuffers, and a willingness to share one’s knowledge and discuss snuffs, snuffboxes, and accessories. Many, many years ago there existed the Snuff Society of Great Britain who met together at least once a year and it was a very cordial and pleasant meeting. It declined due to members dying off, etc. but today, as we all know snuff is making a comeback. I know that we all use internet forums, emails, etc. but it is just not the same as a proper meeting and socially interacting (face to face). I do my best as I openly and quite proudly use snuff in public places. When I am on a flight where all the ‘smokers’ cannot puff, I openly use my snuff. In pubs and clubs, indeed any & everywhere snuff away and I am glad to say that some acquaintances have taken up snuff as a result. But an international organisation, whilst perhaps being a good idea for the future, at this juncture I would suggest National Associations initially, with annual meetings, and an international association later. I must admit to being surprised a the membership criteria which I feel restricts the ‘good old snufftaker’.
I want the shirt @Nikolaos.
I only just got around to reading this thread. I think it’s a great idea to have a snuff takers association, there was most definitely one in the UK way back ( some one can probably remind me of the name of it) “the society of snuff grinders” or something like that,. I wish it every success in spreading the word.I like the idea that it is formed and active…preserving the ancient habit of ours.
Well I will def see you in another year or so…sounds like a great place to expand my knowledge of snuff…gd luck on your endeavor s !!!
@Xander So my posting had to be taken down because I mentioned 2 political party NAMES to make a point… That wasn’t a “political” posting at all… Good luck on your endeavors with ISTA. I’m outta here – cheers all
@general_desaix, be sorry to see you go, I’ve always enjoyed your posts.
@general_desaix no need to go, I can see why you are peeved, it’s happens to us all but just stay posting and forget it. Time and Snuff is a great healer…
@lunecat @Hoopei okay you gits… here be I… a few drinks in and I start getting a little pmt’ed… happens to the best of us.
I believe it would be the pity of the world if Government jumped on snuff and started taxing the heart out of it. It would be especially ironic as at the age of 44 I have just discovered this wonderful hobby band I know for a fact that as long as snuff is available I will never smoke again. In fact it may be a coincidence but I’m finding other benefits to snuff taking too.
So-- bears asking-- will ISTA issue badges, flags, armbands etc…? Will you march in the streets? :))
At least a cool T-shirt at discount of course to Snuffhouse plebs. I’d fancy trying wearing that out to see the reaction. It might also help explain to onlookers what you are putting up your nose!
T-shirts old hat— armbands all the rage – should show a rather large and drippy snout
I demand badges! Ones like old west sheriff ones. Or maybe just cards so we can flash it like the F.B.I…
Doc Martens, kilts and bowler hats … that’ll get 'em paying attention
Doc Martens, kilts and bowler hats … that’ll get 'em paying attention
I like it. Reminds me of high school.
I see. No shirts too. Bare chested kilted men walking down the streets shoving snuff up their noses!
The ladies would not be able to stand it. So damn hot!
I see. No shirts too. Bare chested kilted men walking down the streets shoving snuff up their noses!
Or As I luxuriated in my what seemed like F&T Bordeaux scented bath it suddenly came to me, why not the above but also that ISTA members should run all the marathons around the globe dressed as snuff tins to promote how healthy it is. I of course would have been eager to volunteer but I still have quite a bit of probation ahead. Darn.
I didn’t say nothin’ about jocks an now someone talking about bare-chested men— and who wears those Chinese made docs? i’ll have solovairs any day of the week, thanks.
How about (as with e-cig co.s) that snuff vendors include a business card in along with orders sent out. It could say something like: “The New International Snuff-Takers Association hereby warrants the bearer of this licence the unfettered pleasure of enjoying this wholly natural and fully legal smoke free tobacco product without let of hinderance to their person”. signed Mr Snuff.com for futher enquiries etc What say yee?
@I_snuff_therefore___ that would be classed as advertising or sponsorship which is banned in most places.
I wonder how a snuff website isn’t classed as advertisement? You know like the adverts to the left for example. Certainly confusing.
Consider my application issued!
I fall well short of the entrance criteria, and even had I been here two years, I would still feel “unqualified” to join the core that appears to be forming. That said, I am quite interested to see how this develops. I do have questions, but at this stage they will remain unasked, as I’m sure some of them are questions that the involved parties are trying to thrash out as we speak. It seems that the primary goal at the moment is not the declared objectives, but to establish a viable association that can work towards those objectives … if that makes sense. At this stage, I’ll just wish you all well with your endeavours, and look forward to progress updates as the project unfolds
I’d like to see some action on addressing the PACT Act. It’s treatment of nasal snuff is ignorant and ruined many a vendor and fan of snuff. All that “it’s for the children” crap is nonsense. It wasn’t that long ago that there were several online tobacco vendors with respectable snuff inventories at good prices, cheap shipping, willingness to bring in new inventory and an all around great arrangement for all concerned. The current state of affairs should get more attention and the bill should be amended to minimize the impact on nasal snuff, which shouldn’t be categorized with smoking tobacco, dip or other substances deemed “harmful” by the idiots in DC. It is so stupid. I can wander into the corner convenience store and buy any tobacco that suits me. For fine cigars and pipe weed I have to go a little distance, but finding nasal snuff is harder than finding heroin. Not that I’m looking, but you get my drift. Snuff doesn’t kill people. Politicians do.
What I don’t understand is how was snuff even involved? Who in the government even knew about snuff? What children know about snuff? Almost everyone I meet do not even know what it is. I doubt children know what it is either.
Agreed. Unintended consequences. Government is full of them.
So, how is ISTA actually going? There was this long, protracted discussion on the membership criteria, and then silence. The authorized spokesperson seems to have disappeared from the forum. I’m sure he has his reasons. Still, after the initial flurry of discussion, things seem to have gone eerily quiet. The first rule of the Fight Club …
Did you sing the rest of the member a lullaby @lunecat?
DOA
DOA
Care to elaborate?
Never got off the ground eh? That’s a shame. Though I must say it would be nice to focus on consolidation first, such as recovering all the reviews we lost when snuff reviews did a faceplant, and strengthening the presence here rather than suddenly trying to conquer the world on behalf of all snuffers I do wonder if there’d actually need to be an ISTA if Snuffhouse is strong enough. I say that as the recent concensus seems to be let’s not start banner waving as that would just open it up to more criticism, control and taxation by the do-gooders. That said, it’s still a bit disappointing this didn’t manage to go further.
I’ve been a member of ISTA but I’ve been dropped?
Sorry Pieter, ISTA fights for equal rights of snuff takers. And you are to handsome to be equal.
Maybe it went underground. It is so difficult to get an org off the ground. I am sure it was very well intentioned.
Ksa! I meet the criteria, but it seems to have vanished?
Anyone that can snuff a pea sized amount of Dholakia White up each nostril without coughing, tearing up, or falling down should be considered for immediate membership. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!
Sorry Pieter, ISTA fights for equal rights of snuff takers. And you are to handsome to be equal.
I thank you, sir!
Anyone that can snuff a pea sized amount of Dholakia White up each nostril without coughing, tearing up, or falling down should be considered for immediate membership. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!
Could probably do it. Just once though.
Great thread. Just spent many minutes reading the lot. I’m unsure of ISTA’s current status, but I support it even though I don’t qualify for membership. I’m reasonably new to the world of snuff, but only because of its obscurity. I think I had heard of it years ago, but as it is not readily available where I live, I guess it never sunk in. Since I found the only merchant selling snuff in my country, I’ve been a daily user. Considering the superiority (in my opinion) of snuff over cigarettes, I’d love to see it more acceptable, or at least more well known in society. I have introduced two friends to the world of snuff who had no idea. Anything which increases public knowledge of our hobby is fine by me.
Idon’t want to became a member, but it’s good to improve the snuff knowledge and use. Here, in Italy there was a great culture about snuff, and before 1997 we had the best snuffs in the world but nowadays snuff is quite unknown here… this is reason for what some like ista is good.
I’m new, I’m simple and what do I know, but damn… I would sure like to see SOMETHING happen to kickstart the ISTA! It’s a great idea, it’s needed and it seems to me the timing is right. I support the ISTA membership criteria presented by @basement-shaman in this thread’s very first post and I would be honored to earn my membership. It looks to me like some guys, early on, turned a great idea into a picky little pissing match and that sucks. To @basement-shaman , @lunecat and the other leaders of the Snuffing community: I hope you guys pick up your ISTA banners again and CHARGE!!
I think there needs to be a North American branch of your organization. I personally think that we who live in N.A. do not have any specific forum to voice our views, other than here. Other than Chef Daniel, there seem to not be any snuff millers here other than the big tobacco firms. It would be useful for Americans and Canadians to have their own organization for the discussion of snuff. Just my two cents.
@mrmanos- I nominate mrmanos as chairman of the new NASTA. Now get to work :O)
it’s not easy to get it up and about is it
it’s not easy to get it up and about is it
They have The little blue pill for that LOL. Seriously why don’t you and other ISTA members take charge and get this off the ground floor?An association can’t work by one person alone.
well i would say the first issue is lack of leadership. Though not sure how to go about that one. You know someone to help direct the ideas we all have into something.
@bob I feel confident you are that leader [Stately Spokesman]
If someone can go over the main mission and direction here and what needs doing now, I don’t mind giving up some time to help the cause, if I can. That, of course, depends quite heavily on what I learn about it.
First step what is snuff. I know that sounds silly but it’s the root of what we’re doing. What makes it snuff. What is our goal? If I understand it’s the spreading knowledge about snuff. I think that is step one get all the basic information down, organized, and compiled. Step two figureing out who does what, who wants to and who has the skills. So step one a thread of what is the defintion of snuff. After that is nailed down we can discuss what we want to do from immediate to long term pie in the sky.
I think the idea of the association is rather moot since almost everyone who posts here is a snuff taker. If we already are a special " minority", in the vast world of tobacco use, why bother further dividing our community? To me, inclusive is better than exclusive.
@mrmanos i too agree, however i think a core of people that are a bit more driven than the majority might be useful and might enjoy the work if given a direction to work in. i disagree with excluding people and making it an ‘exclusive club’, in that i would like open threads for outside input etc (as well as more private threads for ideas not ready to be released properly yet). the thing is a group of more dedicated users members could be far more effective than just everybody pitching in with the same things.
@Firestarter0 I wholeheartedly agree, too many chefs spoil the soup. And the ISTA is inclusive as pointed out in the membership criteria.
All: Since there wasn’t any movement on ISTA since November I decided to pull the plug. Please feel free to see the threads in the “Tips and Techniques” category. If you all wish to make your own ISTA, have at it.