I, thanks to Tom from nicotinerush.com have taken part in the this whole nasal snuff journey and have quite liked it. My only problem is I go about 2 months on the snuff and then switch back to Copenhagen smokeless. I been a 20+ year user of Copenhagen and I find it terribly hard to quit completely. I have tried Snus, Nasal snuff, patches, gum, commit ect. Has anyone else here had this same problem? I enjoy nasal snuff but cannot find it in me to be satisfied with it alone. I want to give up Smokeless all together because nasal snuff seems to be safer. Any suggestions? anyone here fought this demon and beat it?

I used to smoke, never chewed or dipped. But in order to quit smoking I switched to snus and snuff. I just put a snus portion in whenever I felt the craving to smoke, and after that if I still wished to smoke, I did so; (with generous pinches of snuff throughout). After smoking I the nicotine overload was so unpleasant that I began to associate smoking with that sensation, and by this means I quit fairly quickly. I find it odd that snus hasn’t proven a viable substitute; maybe you need a stronger snus like General Extra Sterk? Good luck, anyway.

The snus does satisfy a little but the feel of holding a pris in my upper lip is not a normal oral fixation I am used to so i tend to go back to Copenhagen. I just ordered some General Extra Sterk. thanks for the advice Ill give it a try.

I snus, snuff, dip, and chew. I like them all. Though sometimes I think the snus is affecting my gums, and then snuff can clog me up sometimes, it’s always something, I don’t feel comfortable chewing at work with a spit cup.

@Tom Have a funnel slightly underneath your collar-line for expectoration with surgical tubing running to a collector sack in the groin area of your trousers. As the day goes on, many folks in the office may talk amongst themselves, but NONE will have the courage to confront you.

You write that nasal snuff alone does not satisfy you. Do you mean that it does not provide you with enough nicotine, or do you simply mean that you miss the particular oral fixation to which you are habituated? I never in my life used dip or chewing tobacco but I did smoke. As pretty much everyone here can tell you, it is the oral habit that is hardest to break; nicotine replacement is trivial. I don’t want to tell you or anyone else what to do, but it sounds like you feel that snus is a poor substitute for dip. That in itself can become quite the vicious circle, as the temptation is strong to return to the more satisfying habit (in your case, dip). Really, the best thing you can do is to get away from any oral tobacco product and commit yourself to nasal snuff exclusively. This is what I forced myself to do in order to quit smoking. My half-hearted attempts using similar products (pipe, cigars) failed miserably: I always ended up back on the cigarettes. So I used snus to quit smoking, but switched to nasal snuff entirely shortly thereafter. (If I had thought of nasal snuff in the first place, I probably never would have used snus. I’m not knocking snus, I just find nasal snuff a lot more satisfying in every way.) That is my experience, for what it’s worth. It does take some willpower to change your habits, but it is achievable. Most of us here have been where you are right now and we do understand. Best of luck to you. I know you can do it.

I’ve used snuff for more then 35 years along with smoking cigarettes and pipes. Although I only smoked the cigs when working nightshifts, never at home or in my free time. I noticed that my health did go downward so I quit the cigarettes but enjoyed a pipe or two a day, started with snus but it’s not my thing really. last year I give away most of my old pipes and just two weeks ago I sold the remaining 4 (my best ones) to someone in the US. I knew that if I kept them I would sooner or later smoke them again. Quitting a habit is very difficult to do but it can be done. I promised myself some nice new snuffboxes if I sold the pipes, whenever I get the urge to smoke again I just read a bit in the snuff forums, make a new order of some snuff I haven’t tried yet, something to look forward to and take my mind of what I know I shouldn’t start with again, you know. The snuff that helped me most in quitting smoking was Rooster, it’s rather strong and fine but when I take it I don’t want any other nicotine product for the remainder of the day. I wish you lots of strength in quitting the Copenhagen!

I’ve been a smoker for 37 years off and on, and was hooked on Cope and Skoal between 1987-2000 (1 can evey 2-3 days). I have a similar problem, but I don’t consider it to be much of a problem now. I can’t completely step off. I want one or two cigarettes on most days. But compared to where I was in November, when I couldn’t think straight, I was extremely depressed, and my nerves were writhing constantly as a result of nicotine withdrawal, I’m in a very good place. I run 6 days a week, my blood pressure is below normal, and same with my cholesterol. I don’t obsess about the NA/AA “total abstinence” thing when it comes to nicotine. Snuff and snus just kind of naturally replaced smoking, little by little, over the last four months. Practice harm reduction, and congratulate yourself on moving in the right direction (as you judge it). The advice above about practising nicotine overload is good advice also. Eventually, if you continually top off with the thing you want to quit, you increasingly come to associate the unpleasant nicotine overload sensation with the thing you’re topping off with, rather than the things that you started off with.

When I first quit smoking I used a combination of mint snuff pouches for my mouth and nasal snuff for the nic. I don’t think I could have done it without both. I had heard about mint snuff on the radio, was searching the internet to find out where to buy it and found nasal snuff accidentally. I really owe my success in quiting smoking to mint snuff, nasal snuff and of course, this forum.

@Kincaidc I’d really like it if the snuff were all I needed. Someday perhaps. I came close to quitting smoking using the e-cig. For about 7 months I was at 1 or 2 smokes a week but that e-cig was in my face constantly and some of the smoking withdrawal symptoms, headache and lack of focus and concentration never entirely went away. Started using snus, 4 to 6 8mg portions a day, and haven’t had a smoke since. Per videos by Tropical Bob I gave snuff a try out of curiosity and I find I’ve a perfect marriage of tobacco based pleasures. I snus to maintain, vape for distraction and snuff for pleasure! (-; After a few months using snuff, trying several types and selecting what I use based on circumstance and environment at the time, it’s possible for me to imagine going with the snuff alone…

I just recently quit smoking (a little over a week ago) like many have said I had to use both snus and snuff to get to a place where I felt physically comfortable. Mentally the cravings are still there but I don’t have the nicotine monkey on my back, so it’s bearable. I have noticed that I am enjoying snuff a lot more since I quit smoking, mainly because I can smell things better. When it comes to the action of the cigarette with my hands, I have to find a replacement. In my case I picked up learning the guitar. It helps me with the hands and it is rewarding! I hope you can make the switch and I am wishing you the best!

Give www.killthecan.org a try.

I have an entirely different situation. I’m a chef in a restaurant - high stress. When I come home I’m fine with my snuffs. But at work it’s not enough - I need a smoke. lol I suppose I could switch to chew. lol anyone mind some tobaccy in their pistou? hahaha!

chefing is high stress. Main reason I started snusing for the constant nic.

yeah, i’ve got a little tin of some general snus in my fridge but the saltiness is weird for me. i tried good old american chewing tobaccy - beechnut and taylor’s pride i like. But it’s verboten in the kitchen - so. lol chefing IS high stress.

@saucy_jack No matter how pleasurable snuff is, sometimes you just gotta have the sensation of breathing something other than boring “air.” I still can’t get below 1 cigarette per day, although unlike you, I find that my worst cravings come when I’m under “zero” stress, like right now. I’m competely topped up with nicotine as a result of doing a late night sampling of my Indian Snuffs before placing an order, and I still had to have 3 hits off of a cigarette.

Ah the joys of quitting smoking. I remember the one thing I actually kinda liked about quitting cigs was the oxygen “high”. I remember after getting half way through the day, and enjoying that O2 buzz. Then ruin it by smoking a “butyl”. One thing that helped me was going for a run, or getting other vigorous exercise. The heavy respiration kind of gives a bit of burn in the throat, which kind of satisfied that particular part of the craving, at least for me. Other times I would get the jones, I would sometimes hyper-ventilate a little. Gives the O2 rush, plus a little throat burn. Add a few bumps of snuff, and I think that would have cured me. lol

Yeah I agree sprangalang, there is some adventure in quitting a bad habit. Everything that has been said here has helped me remember how lucky I am to have found this place and have been successfully off the cigs since October. Not even a single slip. I was talking to a buddy the other day after a meeting and he was saying how he had been off the cigs a couple days with Cope. I wish him well, but sounds like he’s trading a bad habit for a worse one. Don’t get me wrong though. In that same conversation I was complaining about my sinuses and how sometimes I can’t get that blessed fix even with snus. At that moment he popped out the Cope tin and handed it to me. Knocked that craving right outa the park, for a little while. I think I got home and popped in a snus. I’ve been having trouble with snuff lately. Just can’t keep the toast out of my sinuses. It’s a technique thing. But I love #22 so much, its all I really want. Honestly, its not really enjoyable to deal with my cravings in this way. So then I over-snus and bring my tolerance up to a point where I just don’t feel the nic. Then I start feeling like a junky chasing a fix. And NO, NTSU doesn’t fix that. So what did I do? For the snuff problem, I grabbed some Brunswick. Nice nicotine and stayed right there up front due to moisture. I can’t take to much geranium and citrus but its better than freaking out. Made me think more about that tin of Maccoboy I’ve been ignoring. I also reduced my snuff and snus intake. I found that reducing the times I reach for the snuff box or snus tin makes the few times I do MUCH more enjoyable. This give me incentive and satisfaction. Only snuff in the morning. One snus after lunch. One snus at night. Snuff in between at one hour intervals. Whenever I stray from this formula I get burned. My point in all that is to say. I have to suffer some when I change my bad habits. That is something I believe you are going to have to deal with if you want to quit the Cope. If you accept the pain you can be prepared for it. There is a saying “If you stay ready, you ain’t gotta get ready” But it doesn’t have to be all suffering. Try to distract yourself by perfecting the art of snuff enjoyment. But, ironically, that might mean longer intervals between pinches. During the rough times you might try varying tobacco products. Everything but the Cope tin. Cigars, Pipes, hookah etc.

I have been smoking since I was 11, one pack a day minimum since I was 13 …currently 25 so I can say I have been a heavy smoker for the last 12 years or so. Some days I would have finished 30 cigs by 6 in the afternoon, not to mention a few months when I jumped to 3 packs a day during all these years. S moking for me has been a pain lately due to some health issues, I can barely stand one cigarette these days, it just makes me feel sick instantly, powerless and gives me all sorts of pain, stomach …head …mostly all body. For the past 10 days or so I am constantly doing 2 or 3 cigs at most per day and one cigar (smoked cigars occasionally only before). I am certain that I can go with snuff alone, it just does the thing for me.

I still can’t understand why I can’t get through the day without that 1-2 cigs at night. When I first “quit” in November, I was using a lot of snus, but now I only snus about 3 times per day, and in the evening snuff about every hour (and no snus following my after dinner pris). Still, when midnite rolls around, I get that hard to resist craving for three hits off of a cigarette; never a whole one, just two or three hits at a time. Even last night, despite having done a little too much NTSU, I had to have that 1/4 cigarette, even though it made me feel like I was about to have a stroke. I also have the problem with toasts getting up in my sinuses as opposed to down my throat, which eventually clogs you up to the point you can’t take any snuff for awhile. #22 is fairly bad (by which I mean “good”), but the one that kills me is Levi Garrett.

@LHB: The post-midnight cigarette was also my Achilles’ heel. That came as a surprise to me, as I had thought the morning cigarette would be the hardest for me to kick. That one was quite easy, as it turned out. I could sit here overdosing on snuff and STILL had to have that cigarette before going to sleep. All I can say is hang in there; the craving will eventually subside. It takes some doing, but that moment will come. Whenever I feel clogged, I take a pinch of Swisher Wild Cherry. It makes my nose run like no other snuff does. I have no idea why it has that effect on me.

the cigarette that I’m having the hardest dealing with out, is the cigarette right after a meal. Get done eating and the craving is intense.

@kjoerup I initially felt the same way about the morning cig, but I run in the morning, and it was easy to get into the habit of putting a Skruf portion in since I feel so relaxed after 3-5 miles. I know it’s kind of vain, but another thing that helped was knowing that I smelled clean all day. But after midnite, these days anyway, nobody cares weather I’m Mr. Clean or not, so right now that pack of NAS’s is looking pretty good. Still, it would give quite a sense of accomplishment to get through a day without a smoke. Right now, I’ve got an American Spirit Coupon that expires tomorrow, and I doubt if I’m going to be able to resist that. I have this irresistable urge for a RYO, and I’m not going to be happy until I blow $35 on a can of tobacco that I roll two cigarettes out of and then throw away. Taxi also makes my nose run. but that’s too much nic to just unclog with. @snuff_n00b All the cigs I thought were going do be hardest, weren’t. Thanks to snus (after meals, a BIG portion of Skruf Los is even better than a cigarette now) and when drinking (snuff is a lot more pleasurable, and after a while you realize that half a hangover is too many cigarettes). It’s those two hours before I go to bed that kill me. Whatever, though, it’s something more than the nicotine. Have you tried snus? It would be difficult for me to make the transition from snus after meals to snuff, but it was comparatively easy to make the transition to snus. Not painless, it took about a month to break the habit, going down puff by puff, put it out when it’s half over, then 1/3 over, but the after meal cigs were a lot easier than these late night smokes.

I haven’t had real snus, just the Camel and Marlboro varieties available, Utah doesn’t exactly have great smoke shops here, and the little bit of extra cash I have has been devoted to my new found love of snuff. I haven’t had a smoke in 3 days, but theres just something about eating a good meal that demands I have a cig, sheer willpower is the only thing thats stopped me so far.

I still have a rollie once in a while. I don’t let it bother me. I refuse to smoke pre-mades, though. I think the hassle of rolling one up helps to keep it in check. Plus I know what I’m smoking, and I can choose the thinnest papers available.

On the 14th of February I celebrated my 3rd smokefree birthday. I use snuff every day and snus when I feel like it. Don’t want to go back to smoking again.

@LHB: Keep in mind that NAS makes a nice snuff, actually. An expensive one, granted, but a nice snuff regardless. @Pieter Claassen: Congratulations! I too have no desire to smoke any longer. It is a good feeling, knowing I have conquered that habit once and for all.

@Pieter Congrats man. Unfortunately I cannot make that claim, but I have gone 1 week without smoking. In another 155 weeks I can brag about my 3 years lol

Congratulations to all! Me, I still have a gooey love affair with the cigs, and am currently losing some weight. I have discovered that to quit cigarettes AND lose weight at the same time is a Herculean task that I’m not up to, and as the old Weight Watchers joke goes, cigarettes are 0 points! I’ve decided to allow myself the cigs, but much like Sprangalang I smoke RYOs now, and not even injected tubes like I used to. Nope, plain old “Hey that’s not a joint is it?” rollies. Thanks to snuff and snus though, I keep them down to a dull roar. I could easily see myself kicking them again in oh, maybe 100 lbs! hehehe…

I got out two of my e-cigs (with the idea in mind to demonstrate these to a nurse who comes to my home and anyone else I encounter who still smokes and has expressed a desire to quit, plus heck, maybe the next time I decide nothing but ‘smoking’ will do inspite of my high nicotine snuffing and ready supply of mini-snus portions), in setting them up (with their ‘passthroughs" to be sure they’ll work plus fumbling to make sure they have ‘juice’ in them, 36mg ‘e-liquid’ as usual and reminding me of at least part of why I put this effort down) there were leaks and I got the e-liquid all over my hands, and then a bit on my nose and mouth (I never said I was coordinated!) I have already talked about snus and snuff with my newfound nurse friend (but hadn’t had the presense of mind to actually demonstrate or offer to him, thats in the works at our next visit) somewhere between all this and the subsequent testing of aforementioned two e-cig models I’ve chosen to have out at the ready for use (and potential education of others) the general mini-portion in my upper lip, the Dholakia White up my nose and a half a can of Dr Pepper in my belly (drank while eating some microwave popcorn and a whole can of Dr Pepper, several in fact would be no problem ordinarily) I now have a nicely evacuated colon and a major case of the jitters. (except for the occaional cigarette experience after going so long without I never get the dizzy buzz thing that really reminds me most of ‘standing up too fast’ whenever I do get it) but this is one of my body’s ways of saying “I think you’ve had enough” (sometimes instead of or with associated chest pains, got none of that today) Moral of the story: Maybe a ‘three pronged attack" at least as far as quitting smoking (which I do realize is not the OP) really is the way to go. now that I’ve honed in more of what snuffs suit me (this is a habit/hobby that can be pretty darned ineffective before that’s done and that is something that really should be considered and where I was with snuff when I last tried a combination of snuff, snus and e-cigs) really is important. I don’t know much about ‘dipping’ or chewing’ so excuse me if this is a completely stupid question, but the closest I can relate to is los snus (I prefer pouches but I do have and have used loose) what if you were to just gradually reduce the size you grab for dipping and chewing? and like those of us who are battling cigarettes but can’t say with any confidence just yet that we’re done with them but are working on it who try to at least really regulate it down to limited times and numbers of them in a day with intent to hopefully one day irradicate them for replacement with just nasal snuff, what if you also do the same thing, try to keep your dipping/chewing events down to a dull roar, very limited in the certain circumstances/times of day then? I understand that dipping and chewing are not the same thing and dipping and chewing might even be giving a much higher nicotine tolerance than smoking, but what others are saying here about gradually and (nearly) painlessly reducing your nicotine tolerance does have its benefits and place in this. I went from regular sized portions of snus down to minis and there are times now, more often than not in fact that with the minis even I get the ‘too much’ signallers with it (with snus for me its very distinctive chest pains and too much salivating and feeling nausious). after even a 12 - 15 hour period without a cigarette one NAS myo cigaratte can give me the super light-headed thing, and sure enough after wards its harder for a while to get the satisfaction out of alternatives (currently I tend to go about a week without smoking then have either one or an ‘explosion’ of several in a row and it messes my whole deal up when I do.) PS, its usually something ‘catastrophic’ in stress level that makes me go “f*** it I need a cigarette and I need it NOW” (which goes to show that I have catastrophic stress events on average of once every week or two). This is also fueled by still lack of total confidence especially in dire times when its crucial that I do that I’ll get what I need from these other means. I also try not to beat myself up over it (which does no good) as someone pointed out on an e-cig forum once, its not like you can’t just turn right around and pick up where you were with this (snuff, snus, e-cigs) its not like a 3 day + cold turkey "nicotine detox’ that you’ve screwed up and like you have to start completely over or anything (you still have your accrued knowledge of what works for you and when and you just pick up from there). This now concludes this jitter-induced ramble (we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion).

I never really worried about it. I just smoked and snused and snuffed and eventually the cigs got forgotten. The pipe helped, but 90% of my nicotine intake is from snuff. I still tell myself I haven’t quit. So I really don’t stress over this issue.

Xander offers useful advice here. Harm reduction experts – physicians and researchers – estimate that the average person takes 18 months to make the full transition from cigarettes to his/her chosen smokeless product. Some may make the change faster and others at an even slower pace. That doesn’t matter. The point is that it is not an easy thing to make the complete break from a habit that has become second nature, and that these things take time. Go at your own pace and don’t wrack yourself with guilt for having that cig. Instead you ought to congratulate yourself for cutting down your cigarette intake and knowing that you are on the right path. Do not feel bad about having that daily cigarette. Rather, feel proud of yourself that you only had one or two instead of an entire pack. Believe me, your desire for cigarettes *will* gradually diminish to the point at which you will no longer want them or even think about it. But let it come in time. Putting excessive pressure on yourself will not make the process happen any faster. It took me around 6 months of smoking, snussing and snuffing until I became a snuff user exclusively.

@Kincaidc Have you ever tried using the Copenhagen like nasal snuff? I know most folks were ex-cigarette users, myself included. But I have recently had cravings for Copenhagen and purchased the fine cut version. I tried it in the nose and it works pretty well. Maybe you could just switch the way you take it. It might be a slippery slope but it does have quite a nic hit and the flavor is there too. Just a suggestion.

Some have said that the scent of Railroad Mills Maccoboy reminds them of Copenhagen moist snuff. I’ve never had Copenhagen so I don’t know if they are correct. Still, I take it that they would know better than I do.

I have some loose snus (I thought at one point I might be okay with this or more cost effectively making my own mini-portions using cut up tea bags but I don’t like snus floating free in my mouth and having to extract it when done and its too much hassle to make the portions) that I have considered trying to dry out and grind up, especially this one I haven’t tried yet at all but just looks really lovely to look and smells great at even as its frozen in my freezer: “Gotlandssnus” (cant see any other name on the one) and “Gotlandssnus Anis” – just to admire and smell them as they they seem like these could have potential to maybe perfect for the nose. Today I’m trying to go strictly on nasal snuff (no using my usual general mini portions to back me up) just to see how it goes… starting to develop an unfortunate but logical theory that if smoking cigarettes screws up my tolerance for a bit so I can’t enjoy nasal snuff as well, and people talk about chew and dip having that effect, it stands to reason that my belove snus may be interfering the same way, so I’m just testing, just today.

I like Götlands, but as a lös I find it too course ground to stay together nicely. I use the yellow as portions routinely. Grov, General and Skruf make for better lös. Been out for awhile. Have to get some soon.

I dip, chew, snus and snuff, and I only smoke when I go to concerts or night clubs, because I dont want to spit in parties or snuff (because some people would think I am doing cocaine), and Im always out of snus(cant find here in Brazil, and orders take long), so I smoke rarely, but the most important thing is not smoke every day, because when i used to smoke everyday i felt a bad sensation on the lungs and a bad breath, but now that Im smoking just when I cant use smokeless tobacco, I feel fine, only feel the bad sensation on the lungs a day after I smoked.