Supposedly, cigarettes can contribute to causing Erectile Dysfunction because of the contsriction of blood vessels, just preventing the blood from flowing to the necessary area. I’m wondering if snuff can have the same effect, since it is nicotene. Does anyone know about this?

Yes, it can but don’t worry. All you have to do is grind some Viagra tablets and add it to your snuff. Problem solved.

Wouldn’t you end up like Pinoccio then Pieter? Stefan

Lol Walrus! I’m picturing a scene from Clockwork Orange.

A lot of the studies I have seen suggest an atherosclerosis link with smoking, rather than with nicotine constricting blood vessels. Still, all the info around this topic seems pretty murky and filled with propaganda. I do know they LOVE to put the “erectile dysfunction” warning on cigarette packs here in Canada. I try to avoid the cigarettes that cause ED and instead purchase the ones targeting pregnant women that say “smoking will harm your baby.” Much safer that way.

@Geraldo That’s assuming that you never get pregnant…then you’ll have to switch to the limp willy ones…lol!

Snuff is immensely less harmful than cigarette smoking, and possibly other forms, but no guarantees can ever be given - it’s still tobacco and nicotine. Some of the belief in snuffs benign nature comes from anecdotal or non scientifically based sources. The experiences of the snuff companies, in the form of an absence of knowledge of harm done by snuff over three centuries of manufacture as well as no complaints, and a handful of rigourously executed studies, has led many of us to a comparison with coffee drinking at worst. In your case snuff may have an effect, or it may not. The point is that these questions are unresolved as yet due to the lack of studies into snuff and health. I, and many others, are satisfied that this is sufficient data to believe snuff to be safe for most nicotine users. Apart from that it’s very, very nice and I personally don,t worry too much about it. I hope these responses help a bit.

When you use snuff you absorb nicotine, when you smoke cigarettes you absorb…god knows what… ED would probably be more aggravated by worrying whether or not you could get it up because of your snuff intake than your snuff intake ever would…IMHO. Sexual dysfunction is heavily tied into your mental state, from my understanding.

@Stefan, if you do end up like Pinoccio, so much beter for your woman. Just imagine going for some muff diving with a 12 inch nose and being able to breathe through your arse!!

I got my wife by tellin her I got a 12 inch tongue n can breathe through my ears!!!

Well a lot of times they aren’t sure what causes e.d… Though sucking in carbon monoxide all day puts an incredible strain on the whole cardiovascular system. Strain on the cardiovascular system ain’t so good for avoiding e.d… So even if the nicotine has somewhat of a chance of increasing e.d. then it will still beat out nicotine and carbon monoxide (and tar which who wants to talk about tar) for being safer. Oh and why is carbon monoxide so bad? that shit actualy binds to the hemoglobin in your blood and it sticks for a while too, this means you’re blood can’t transport the amount of oxygen it should. So you’re heart has to pump harder you’re lungs have to work harder (which makes you’re heart have to pump faster), you’re blood vessels have to dilate to get more blood nicotine at the same time constricts blood vessels guess what this does to your heart it’s got to pump even harder and faster this combination raises your blood pressure much more then snuff could. So as you can see it’s not that cigarettes are bad for your health, as much as that if you smoke them your body eventualy gets sick of you and deciedes it’s not going to keep working just so you can smell like a fucking ashtray!!!

Maybe that’s why a cigarette is so good after sex, cools off the old piston…so new rule: no cigarettes BEFORE sex!

Definitely a real and legitimate concern. Bob hit the nail on the head up there. I don’t worry about snuff and ED. Hell prescription medications are more likely to cause it then snuff. Speaking from experience here, and I was only 23 during that rather unfortunate time.

well I thought the dicussion was about me, lol. My first name is Ed, lol. Or Edward that is lol.

Hopefully it’s not about you…

It’s real not spam. I’ve been on this forum for about a year now under this same name with the 2. About ED being caused by worry though, sure worrying can make it worse, but if it never happened to begin with why would you ever worry about it?

without the 2 rather

It’s a very important question really. One study found the most effective anti-smoking measure has been informing people that cigarettes kill boners. I don’t know how accurate that is but I could see that. Breathing fuck that no sex I gotta stop.

It is a legitimate concern, and if nicotine by itself (ie snuff) causes ED, we ought to know, just as it would be nice to know if it causes death like the anti-tobacco camp likes to think. Until there is proof, however, I’m going to side with bob, slam copious amounts of snuff up my nose, and maintain a full erection.

@matsnuffs Will this erection be due to the fact that you actually enjoy snuff THAT much?! =)

Yeah don’t get me wrong, I have my box right here as I write this and my spoon on my chest between sniffs, just want to know

Snuff and Ed…sounds like a 1950’s comic strip!! =) Or if you say it fast…it sounds like Ed better run for his life!

@Fisch, Yeah something like that…

it can be mechanical too. Doubt snuff will ruin you that way though.

I looked up this thread because the first time I successfully snuffed W. E. Garret Scotch Plain I tumesced (right in the middle of a Sarbucks, no less!). Whenever I try a strong snuff after some time with the lighter ones (such as Wilson’s or F&T), the same thing occurs. Further, if I stick to snuff only and forgo the nix stix and the pipe, I find easy, frequent and very full

accounts of the news of the world. Later on BBC America: Nasal snuff, is it time for a comeback? 

Idk what tume whatever means but I’m assuming it means to pop one, and if I’m right I agree with you @makinps I’ve found that I get turned on after taking huge pinches, never had that after a newport

I just remembered a sick joke about some nose hairs being transplanted.To stop a staining problem. The patient thought it didn’t work then the drip was snorted back in.

Well… considering the fact that cigarettes are basically the crack of the tobacco world… my best guess would be that nasal snuff isn’t going to affect you the same way cigarettes do.

Honestly if snuff was an anaphrodisiac that would give me another reason to use it. Most of the time I need more blood flowing upstairs than downstairs.

@joesnuffer thank you so much. Glad someone else refers to cigarettes as the crack of the tobacco world. Cause that is precisily what they are. Any other form of tobacco is more natural and safer.

For what it’s worth: a cancer researcher I talked to said (perhaps paraphasing here) "There’s no doubt that cigarrettes are bad for you (you have a 90% of not getting cancer from them), but American moist snuff/dip is actually worse. " and he went on to say that they simply don’t know how safe cigars are yet…

I’m just repeating what he said- don’t shoot the messenger, btw he smokes a pipe.

Well every profession has the people who are bad at their jobs. Sometimes it’s a guy that can’t cook, sometimes it’s a cop that will punch you, and then other times it’s a cancer researcher that doesn’t understand statistics-science but does understand rumours and hearsay.

Either that or you didn’t understand what he was saying. Which is also totaly possible and not something that would indicate anything more then that happens especialy when the professional forgets how something sounds to someone that does not have the same job. Which I used to make fun of untill I took some science classes and found myself forgeting that some words have a common meaning as well as a professional meaning. So it’s one or the other. Either the guy smokes a pipe which makes him look and sound smart (seriously pipes do that) so he’s the one that doesn’t understand his job, or since you are clearly intelligent he forgot you don’t work in the same industry and miscommunication happened. Or at least that is my take on it. Since cigarettes are clearly the worst form of tobacco by such a long shot. Sure as far as smokeless goes American moist snuff is the worst of the common smokeless (some from Africa and India are worse). And since the only thing that will kill you from American smokeless is cancer a larger percentage of it’s mortality rate is from cancer, yet you have a greater chance of getting cancer from cigarettes then any smokeless (even though the % of mortality caused by cancer from cigarettes is lower it still equals more deaths per user). Or another way to put that. Of people killed by american dip most are killed by oral cancer, yet more fatal oral cancers come from smoking cigarettes even though that is a rarer way to die from cigs.

Oh there is also the chance that the dude is a cancer researcher and works for the cigarette companies in some way or other and the studies they’ve paid for are designed to make other forms of tobacco look worse then they are. Cause that happens enough that it could be argued that no snuffer should ever buy cigs just because f*$% them.

Or he works for a pharmaceutical company whos agenda is to make all tobacco look bad so you will use their expensive drugs to quit.

yeah precisily. The best way to test that theory is to stab him and see if his blood run black.

thank’s bob for being so respectfull

He works for one of the Mayo institutions. He did say clearly that cigarettes are bad, but that the moist snuff/dip is even worse, mentioning not only oral cancer but bladder cancer and if I recall stomach and other cancers. He did not say anything about Swedish snus. I can’t say he’s infallible, but he has no ties to the tobacco industry other than that he smokes a pipe. As far as I know the Mayo clinics and researchers also have no tie to big tobacco, I also don’t know what affiliation they may have with drug companies, which would be more likely. But I don’t see any motive for him/them to make this up, or be biased. Is it possible they have an ulterior motive, yes, but I don’t know what it could be.

I know someone who knows him well, maybe I can get a hold of him and get directed to the info/studies he was citing.

OK, I talked to my friend, who’s going to talk to his researcher pal. I’ll see what kind of statement he’s comfortable with me repeating. In his line of work he may not be comfortable with me quoting him- he’s high up on the ladder of researchers. But if not I’ll see if I can get some statement that he’s ok with me posting anonymously. 

I’ve just never seen any research that indicates anything otherwise then cigarettes being the most dangerous form of tobacco. The cancer rates among other tobacco users are so much lower then cigs. And I’am alway grumpy before the caffine starts its magic.

To be sure I’m being clear, I’m simply repeating what I’ve been told by a few sources, and I’m trying to be as accurate as possible here, one of these sources is probably more reliable than the other two. This consensus by some folks, may be because they say dip has a higher (supposedly 50% more of one carcinogen in specific) ratio of some carcinogens than the ciggie tobacco. One source is saying that it’s American dip’s use of fire-cured tobacco, presumably a fairly higher proportion than in ciggie tobacco. I remember a news article about a cigarette maker some years ago using only non-fire cured tobacco in an attempt to make a safer smoke. Although I didn’t have the presence of mind to ask the researcher about Swedish snus which supposedly contains less of many nasties than domestic dip, I _personall_y agree with many that it’s safer than cigs. Also I’ve noticed how many products from Europe are actually monitored for the levels of tsn’s apparently the suspected carcinogenic culprits seemingly most worried about. If I recall right, Oliver Twist discloses the levels of those substances. In a nutshell, I’m personally much more comfortable with the Swedish/German/Dansih products. Of course this is for conversation’s sake, and I gather this is a rather heated debate after some Googling. Also or what it’s worth, from yet another source (an oral health specialist), there is much less risk of oral cancer from smoking a pipe than from domestic oral tobaccos. He made a statement that he just hasn’t seen pipe smoking causing oral cancer, while he has seen it caused by cigarette smoking, and smokeless tobs. This doc does exams and/or procedures every day five days a week. Feel free to take this all with a grain of salt of course.

With carcinogenics application is really important. And when you burn a cigarette it gives more tnsa then fire curing does. NSAs are basically char. When you cook a steak well done it get NSAs which can contribute to colon cancer. Smokers get a higher percent of oral cancers then do oral users. Additionaly there are many causes of oral cancer that are unknown. And in these types of oral cancers dippers show no increased percentage of getting the cancer then non tobacco users. Though everytime someone has an oral malignancy and uses oral tobacco someone says that must have been the cause because we know.

You do make some good points there. I still must look into some of this further. I definitely can see the cigs causing it more than Swedish snus, or many oral products processed a certain way, being more or less natural etc. But I still have more questions about this.

Yes, I’ve heard about the issue with grilled meats. Btw someone indicated that using something on the meat before grilling prevents/minimizes the development of the nitrosamines. It might be the hops in beer, or some common spice or herb. It’s nothing exotic as I recall, but darned if I can remember.