Smoking Age

So, in various towns and counties around Massachusetts, they have slowly
been changing the legal age to purchase tobacco from 18 to 21.
While this doesn’t effect me, I sure have noticed a lot of cranky
young adults that want their tobacco. You’d think the state would want
the extra tax revenue with the way they keep raising them. Haha

Any thaughts?
And what’s the legal age for tobacco where you are?

It is still 18+ where I live and work, though the town I work in has noticed increased sales
due to the new laws in nearby towns. Our cigar sales have also gone up seeing as 
some towns have decided you can no longer legally purchase just one cigar.
You must now purchase a pack of five or more. Crazy, is it not?

Since 2007 the minimum age is 18 here in the UK. According to Cancer Research UK, 3% of under 16s smoke, 18% of under 16s have tried smoking, and 40% of the population’s regular smokers started before they were 16. I assume the stats are all cigarette use. No stats on other tobacco use.

19 in Ontario, Canada same as the drinking age. Kids will smoke and drink no matter the “legal” age though.

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My state of Arizona legal age is 18. Years ago they changed the gambling age to 21 the same as our drinking law. I think that had more to do with the hassle of dealing with people less than 21 in the casinos and trying to keep them from drinking the complimentary drinks. I could be wrong though. Or maybe the gambling law was nationwide. Hell if I know. They just better not take our drive through liquor stores.

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@50ft_trad Thanks for the stats. It is pretty much entirely cigarettes in my neck of the woods, though I’m starting to see more vape use here and there, and there is a fair amount of chew use. On my phone at the moment, will try to find some stats when I get home much later tonight. @crullers True enough, if there is a will there is a way, my tobacco and alcohol use started before it was legal, but I was more the type to have a good book and a strong drink. Usually the guy trying to keep his friends from raising too much hell. Honestly, I only ever drank with them once, too busy babysitting them. Haha good thaught bringing up the drinking! I actually had to carry one of my friends out of a quarry once, they got way too drunk. Can’t understand that compulsion myself. Everyone’s parents always loved me, I’d wake up early and explain the evening’s proceedings over a nice brew. We always had some laughs. @Psicko glad you braught up gambling as well! The gambling age where I am is 18 and drinking is 21.

Here in Italy smoking age is 18. In past was 16 but I know that people start to smoke at 14/15 years old, in general. I started to smoke cigarettes at 13 and at 15 with pipes and cigars. Curiously, I started with snuff at 31/32…

It’s slowly becoming an anti tobacco world… Those “truth” ads on the television make people believe that tobacco is the root of all evil. Everyone is concerned about second hand smoke as well, as if being downwind from a cigarette will damage their health. I grew up in a household with two smokers. They each smoked 1-2 packs a day, at least half of them in the house for about 10 years. Times have changed…

@ Ubiquitous The worst bit about those adverts in my opinion… They make me want another cigarette every time they come on. >_<

Especially that one where the smoke was an army of evil warrior things running through the woods and the kid just sucks 'em up. Haha. Even the gross commercials just give me cravings in the worst way. It’s terrible.

The smokers in my family seem to do better than the non-smokers and the quitters. *shrugs*
My gram has been smoking one to two+ packs a day for the better part of 70 years, her lungs? Clear.
The only thing that concerns me is that smoking can enlarge the heart, and that’s the only thing
that has happened to any of my smoking relatives. Though, there were many other factors in that instance.
The non-smokers and the quitters seem to deteriorate… Mentally and physically. Peculiar.

I’m not saying anyone should aspire to smoke two to three packs a day, by any means.

I’m just not about to get scared away from one of my favorite things.
Sure, they could kill me, just like I could get killed by a car while taking a jog tomorrow morning,
but I’m not about to stop that either. Haha

EDIT:
I suppose I should specify that I smoke less than a quarter pack a day now that I’m snuffing,
and even less when my pipe isn’t resting, I was almost smoking a pack a day before I found snuff.
Just don’t want anyone thinking I’m trying to say cigarettes are the best thing ever, I just love tobacco.
Shocking, right? Hahaha

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@HRSnuffinPuff I’ve just stopped smoking recently. Not for good I’m sure, I’ve just become very interested in snuff lately. I’m a fan of tobacco in all forms.

@Ubiquitous Here here! Congrats on the not smoking, hoping to do a little less of it myself. (as much as that last message may seem to the contrary) I am quite looking forward to my first order of snuff, been making due with some dried out Copenhagen Moist. I gotta say, it’s growing on me though, probably dry out another tin come fall, I feel like it would go perfectly with the crisp New England air. I like that snuff is easier to enjoy when I’m getting some exercise. Sometimes if I’ve been running hard, or doing some rock climbing I’ll really want some tobacco, but smoking just hurts at that point, everything is too open. It’s nice to be able to take some snuff instead of choking on a cig in such instances. 

I just remembered that I was going to look up some stats, probably another day now, got stuck at work very late. Cha-ching. Haha.

It’s being phased-in from18 to 21 in California. It won’t change anything. What should be changed is the driving age instead if you want to save lives. Ive been hit,cutoff,and witnessed so much reckless driving by 16-20 year olds with my own two children in the car and yet the government is worried about buying tobacco. rubbish.

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EDIT: Wow, didn’t mean to start writing an essay, for what directly relates to my thaughts on the smoking age specifically, please skip to the last paragraph. (End of edit.)

@Chicago_CA I’ve seen equal amounts of reckless driving across every age category, as well as proper driving. People just need to take responsibility for themselves, and the fact that they’re in a two ton death trap. I saw a woman blow through two stop lights on a very busy stretch of road with a baby in the back. You just can’t fix stupid. Though I tried, followed her home with the police on the phone. Speaking of, I’ve nearly been hit by law enforcement blowing stop signs while they were staring at their phone, and once an older gentleman reading a newspaper while he was flying down the road. I’ve seen people changing, doing makeup, reading books, writing something down, anything and everything but watching where they are going and what’s going on around them, any of it. All ages, genders, races. It’s a miracle that there aren’t more accidents.
Just in the parking lot at my work today I witnessed over half a dozen near misses, and I don’t spend much time looking out there.

When I get behind the wheel, my rule is this “Everyone else is drunk, even if they aren’t.”

I think we should just teach people how to be accountable for their own actions,
but with ever increasing disciplinary restrictions, how are we supposed to do that?

Hell, I remember getting my fair share of licks as a kid, and I always felt it was appropriate.
One time, without sarcasm, I told my father he needed to hit me a couple more times
because I had yet to learn my lesson. I think I was five at the time? Couldn’t tell you what I did,
but I can tell you that I never did it again. Hahaha Not saying there isn’t such a thing as abuse,
but I got hit plenty, and it was never abuse. There was always a thorough conversation about
whatever I had done to earn it too. The lectures were worse than the hits, by far, but the hits really
helped the message stick.

Though I agree, there should be much more pressing matters than when people can smoke.
Or even drink for that matter (in my opinion). If people learned how to respect themselves,
others, and things for what they are, there would be far less issues.
If someone can’t figure that out, then there should be repercussions for the offender,
not them and everyone around them.

“But there are multiple offenders,” some say, but I don’t think it’s right to restrict those
capable of behaving themselves.
While I was disciplined heavily, I was allowed the room to make my decisions
and learn things for myself at the same time.

Take all of this with a grain of salt though, last time I checked the county I work in has the most accidents in the U.S.A. per year? (Worcester county, MA) It really is just about everyone around here. Haven’t been to Cali myself, so it could be predominately the youth, but that has not been my experience over here on the east coast. It feels like an accomplishment any time I get anywhere without incident, and *knocks on wood* I’ve never had an incident, but it’s come far too close, far more often than I like to think about.

I just think it’s kind of silly to state a blanket age at which people can be responsible for themselves.
I know plenty of people younger than me that are, and many older that are not. (and the opposite, obviously.)
I know a handful of teens that I’d let borrow my car any day of the week,
I can think of more than a handful of adults I’d never let near my ride.

Not meaning to come off as preachy, I’m just good at rambling on. Hope someone enjoyed it. Haha

@HRSnuffinPuff Yes, I agree with some of that. I guess what irritates me about raising the smoking age is that id wish the govt would concentrate on protecting others not protecting us from ourselves. But yes, “you cannot fix stupid”. Maybe if the money and effort spent on tobacco regulation should be spent on education instead. There will always be people buying cigs that shouldnt. Ive talked to my children many many times of tobacco and drugs and feel they are reasonably educated to make good decisions and raising the age from 18 to 21 will not matter. Now, Driving I think is a little different because the 16-20 age group is shown to take more risks in conjunction with inexperience. im actually all for tighter regulation on aging drivers as well. Yes, grandma and grandpa hurling a car down the road are just as dangerous as the teenagers,drunk drivers, or the texters. Accountability is learned and takes some people longer than others and some never learn. Making a poor decision to smoke however is not the same as making a poor decision to drive unsafely though. I enjoyed your post. Thanks for the discussion! edit for spelling

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@Chicago_CA That would be the ideal. I would love to see very much of our misappropriated budget moved towards education. On top of the arts already being absent from plenty of schools, some schools near me are even in danger of losing their sports teams now. A couple of towns over, their high-school wasn’t even accredited.

I think more behind the wheel time should be mandatory in Driver’s Ed. It’s mostly book, they need more practical training. My instructor managed to teach me how to handle almost everything in the time we did have… though… I payed attention… Unlike more than 80% of my class. Haha As far as risk taking behavior specifically, I can agree with that, though the accidents I usually see are the result of starting to take the 
risk, then hesitating or backtracking. Kind of like when a squirrel darts out in front of your car, if he just kept running he would have made it, but it just had to second guess itself and double back. Splat!

Accountability is really what it comes down to. I’m not saying I don’t have my share of vices,
but I’ll not abide by them leading to anyone else’s detriment. If I party too hard, I stay the night.
If there’s somewhere I need to be, I leave early… I haven’t seen half so many problems as I have
when people are in a rush, and of course, they usually are.

I don’t think smoking was a poor decision, someone needs to support our government’s
derelict spending habits. Haha Smokers unite!

No, thank you!

EDIT:
I promised some smokeless tobacco use stats. Study from 2002 was the most comprehensive I could find.
Apparently, nationwide in the U.S.A the percentage was
1.1% for the age range of 12 - 17
3.9% from 18 - 25
1.2% for 26+

There’s a couple that break it down into which kinds of smokeless but it is very much the same.
If we’re to assume the same trends occurred as with smoking, it is now lower. Though snus use is now
on the rise, couldn’t find a specific number, just an article about how it’s gaining traction, “which is concerning”

2015 studies for smoking
2.3% of middle-school students
9.3% of high-school students
16% of adults
But this doesn’t include the ones that said the smoked e-cigs, pipes, hookah
e-cigs had a higher percentage, the others, lower.

Yes, smoking kills. By suicide mainly. The motor vehicle incidents are more nearly homicide. Second hand smoke aside, my smoking a cig is not going to kill you, but my reckless driving will. Im just saying that if the age limit of something had to be raised, and by raising it, it would better the odds of preventing someone elses death, then between the two choices, reducing the number of inexperienced drivers would be my preference. However, If those 480,000 deaths by smoking were all a direct result of being able to buy/have access to cigarettes before turning 21, then I would rather raise the smoking age. Maybe we ought to just raise them both.

@lunecat
Deaths by smoking or tobacco related deaths?
Because they lump a lot of things into tobacco related deaths on account that the person smoked, disregarding other habits the person may have had that contributed to it. Though, they could count toward whatever other statistic too.
Blood clots, cancer, strokes and many other things that people can get with or without smoking can automatically get lumped into that statistic just because someone smokes. It’s an easy number to pad.

Some studies show smokers get lung cancer, I’ve personally only known non-smokers with lung cancer, along with the other aforementioned, save one instance of stroke, but more non-smokers with that as well. 
There’s enough pollution in the air, tobacco aside to cause some lung cancer, perhaps tobacco could even raise tolerance to the pollution? Hypothetically.

Well, I like the “deaths by snuff: 0” stat alot more than the others. :slight_smile:

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@ Chicago_CA Hahahaha, me too, me too. Especially since it is quickly becoming my tobacco product of choice, by far. I ran out of tissue in the car the other day and was so distraught that I had to light a cigarette.
I never thaught I’d feel that way about them either.

(Sorry for the delay, it has been one helluvah week. I worked  ridiculously hard and partied even harder. Huzzah!)

As far as the U.S. is concerned, I think 21 is the norm for drinking age and tobacco may continue with this trend towards 21. Now, not that I agree, but someone once explained it to me like this: An 18 year old probably still has 16 and 17 year old friends and it is generally socially accepted. This makes it easy for 16-17 year old to get tobacco from their friends. However, a 21 year old isn’t likely to have as many 16-17 year old friends thus making it harder for minors (as the legal age of adulthood starts at 18) to get their hands on tobacco.

I feel this is a backwards way of thinking and kids will do as they please anyway but I just wanted to throw that out there