I was with a friend the other night who smokes and we were both having a few beers. He rolled a couple of cigarettes and gave me one. I smoked it through habit really and I have to say I really didn’t enjoy it at all to the extent that I wished I hadn’t had it. Now I’ve discovered the wonderful art, joy, hobby of snuff-taking I very much doubt I will ever smoke again.

When I stop smoking for a while, I lose my habituation to the taste of nicotine. If I start again, I don’t really taste the tobacco–the poisonous taste of the nicotine is all I can taste, like when I had my first cigarette. I have to smoke for a couple of days before they taste good, and why would I want to do that?

I’m the same way now. Every once in a while I’ll have a cigarette and wonder why I’ve been smoking them all these years. Oh right, it’s cuz I hadn’t heard of snuff til a couple years ago! They don’t taste very good, and that’s even a good brand. Not only that, they’re just not enough nicotine anymore and I still wanna snuff afterward. ;p I’ve never been excited about tobacco til snuff. Like Thunderbird said, it’s more of an art and hobby than a habit. Btw, F&T HDT is so good! I think it’s tied now with Viking Brown for my favorite. All I need now is a desert island and a few kilos of each. ;p

@Thunderbird Good for you dude - Keep on going I’d be happy if I could only smoke when I wanted to, moving it out of the ‘everyday’ would be a massive thing for me. Still, reduction seems to be back on track so, with steady progess it’s more achievable. I’d like to be mostly snuff with the occasional pipe - That would be living the dream for me.

Cigarettes make me feel gross, even one or two will make me cough a lot the next day. Like once a year I might go and buy some rolling tobacco when I’m going to a party or something but it’s very very rare.

i still love a marlboro red

I had a rollie and actually now I remember I had a Marlboro light too (or whatever it is they’re called nowadays). No desire to do it. Not one tiny bit. And this is from someone who had a serious smoking relapse from August last year till I started snuffing a couple of months ago. Amazing really.

I had a drag off a cigarette this past weekend and regretted it immediately. I couldn’t get rid of the taste for a very long time. Snuff is much more enjoyable.

My wife is fighting the habit. I’ve tried to get her to try snuff but she’s just not willing. I’ll have one every now and then just to remind myswlf how much i dislike them.

My pipes have been getting quite neglected. I often go to a nearby park on Saturday nights where some friends play music, it’s my once a week treat. Even then, I’m just as happy with my snuffbox. I don’t hate pipes at all. I just like snuff better. Once in a blue moon I roll a ciggie with some strong local tobacco I bought from the farm door in Lombok, but it’s so strong it feels more like a cigar. Factory made cigs are just bad tobacco.

@JakartaBoy. Baisically yes. That and, what ever they can pass as tobacco. Nat Shermans are o.k. though to me.

yes cigarettes aren’t tobacco they’re a tobacco product

yes cigarettes aren’t tobacco they’re a tobacco product

I’m not trying to be contrary here; but surely any tobacco that’s sold is a product, snuff included. Annoyingly I do still enjoy a cigarette (hence not quitting), this thing that gets me is that I smoke so many that I don’t enjoy. If I could take smoking out of the everyday then I think things would be different. Strangely I’m not concerned about the habitual snuff business in the slightest; just don’t see it in the same way.

I smoked since i was 17 years old and tried many times to quit but couldn’t. I started using snuff about 6 months ago and found that i enjoyed it more than smoking. Gradually i started smoking less up until last week when i last smoked. I’m really happy to have kicked the habit!

@snuffer thats awesome Mate! @wiscsnuffer‌ I’m in the same boat. Been 3 years since my last ciggie but the missus still smokes and wants to quit but doesn’t want to snuff. She’s worried about other people seeing brown stains on her nose which i occasionally have when i’m busy and have not been hygenic enough. Crazy though as i enjoy snuff more than smoking and i can do it for the rest of my life guilt free/no health issues just benifits. I’m going to keep pestering though.

@MisterPaul‌ You might want to research what goes into modern cigarettes. Most have less than 50% burley tobacco and the rest is filler (read cellulose = cardboard) and chemicals. That’s why they taste like shit!

@Bignose Well aware actually; but than for the thoughtful comment I’ve never brought cheap cigarettes for that reason, I think that all smokers are aware that some brands/types are poor quality from the taste etc. when you accept them if offered by others socially - I’ve given my excuses and declined these to smoke my own for longer than I care to remember! I’ve smoked roll-ups for probably about 20 years now partly due to this. Though I do occasionally accept a Marlboro Red or a Lucky Strike if I’m offered it socially; pretty rare these days. I do buy the occasional carton of Sobranie Black or Gitane’s when I encounter them in the duty free at the port/airport [again this is very rare]. But, I save them to smoke them infrequently, kind of like a cigar I guess. It’s interesting to me that there is obviously awareness of your comments in the cigarette client base. Have you noticed the growth in organic type tobacco brands like American Spirit, even Drum in the UK now do a chemical free range. It’s an intriguing market shift: It makes me wonder if we’ll see more snuffs which are aimed at the organic/chemical free tobacco segment?

@BigNose your wife as a women should know she will probably be more clean about using snuff than you. Also American Spirit can go to hell. Freebase tobacco is in it.

@MisterPaul‌ I wasn’t sure if you new the composition of smokes these days, but your obviously savy and make smart choices in not buying the cheaper stuff. Re your last comment, i’m hopeful that most snuffs are fairly “chemical free” other than typical PH boosters, salt and the like that pose no real health risk. Certainly the main stream UK snuff makers seem to be and thats what i mostly use. Or am i mistaken?

@BigNose I’m not sure you know: I’m aware that niche manufacturers like SWS & Abraxas are big on the no additives etc. (Johnny especially). But I guessing that at the growing/farming stage of the tobacco cycle agricultural insecticides and herbicides are used as with other crops? [May be some of the manufacturers on the forum know more about this?]. Likewise snuff seems to keep very doesn’t it? I’m not sure is some companies use anti-fungal preparations or moisture enhancers or not [?]. Although this isn’t the same as bag of saltpetre, chemicals etc. cardboard, paper, fillers and other floor sweepings in cheap cigarettes it does make you wonder… I’ve never come across a snuff marketed as ‘organic’ though that’s not to say there aren’t any. I am surprised that there’s not more given that this seems to be a trend in tobacco products generally.

my biggest problem with the ‘additive free’ tobaccos is that if it hasnt alread dried out before you get it, it will have dried out before you finish it. unless you smoke a pouch a day.

yes cigarettes aren’t tobacco they’re a tobacco product

I’m not trying to be contrary here; but surely any tobacco that’s sold is a product, snuff included. Annoyingly I do still enjoy a cigarette (hence not quitting), this thing that gets me is that I smoke so many that I don’t enjoy. If I could take smoking out of the everyday then I think things would be different. Strangely I’m not concerned about the habitual snuff business in the slightest; just don’t see it in the same way.

nope. Snuff is still tobacco sure it’s been ground and had things added to it but it is the leaf. Cigarettes are mostly paper that is made from industrial chemicals and component parts of the tobacco leaf reassembled. That is the difference. Cigarettes don’t even have real tobacco flavor that is created through chemistry. So no cigarettes are not tobacco but a tobacco product. So at least you can see why I make this distinction.

I just keep snuffing and vaping as much as possible and that seems to have kept me completely off smoking and for that I am surely grateful but I think snuff is my favourite. I think my mood is more relaxed now also. Somehow I sort of miss smoking but at the same time have no longer any desire to smoke even a single puff. I really don’t quite get that as yet and may never understand it but I expect it will fade as it seems to do day by day and I’m completely off smoking about 6 months now but I don’t even keep count of the time. I do sometimes greatly regret that I did smoke for so long (30 years) as I do wonder why I was so seemingly suicidal. I think we have all come to realise that it’s really nicotine that is our craving (savior?) and in tobacco form it is best but that smoking is not a good delivery method. I think my snuff enjoyment is getting better as time goes on especially with having a good supply of the Artisan Snuffs but I’m also seemingly getting better at picking snuff I like and know my definite repeat order snuffs. I also love having so many now to choose from and so over the day I’ve got constant options like oh I feel like this one for a while or that one and then this other one… I’m really getting to like that and never had that with smoking so much. Also applies to vaping so I’ve got double the chioce of choices if you know what I’m trying to say and being that snuff and juices are low taxed will help the choices to continue to grow and grow as I’m sure to find more great discoveries. Definitely more of a hobby enjoyment compared to the shackle of smoking.

I think my mood is more relaxed now also.

Totally! Me also, I’ve really noticed it recently. I am a lot more mellow, sleeping much better, and, rather oddly, have less desire to drink alcohol. I like a beer or two or a glass or two of wine most evenings and of late I’ve found it getting to nearly bed time and I suddenly realise I haven’t poured a glass of wine or cracked a beer. This is a rather pleasant side effect. I always felt that smoking and drinking go very well together so perhaps the one habit feeds the other?

I think my mood is more relaxed now also.

Totally! Me also, I’ve really noticed it recently. I am a lot more mellow, sleeping much better, and, rather oddly, have less desire to drink alcohol. I like a beer or two or a glass or two of wine most evenings and of late I’ve found it getting to nearly bed time and I suddenly realise I haven’t poured a glass of wine or cracked a beer. This is a rather pleasant side effect. I always felt that smoking and drinking go very well together so perhaps the one habit feeds the other?

Glad you’ve quit the Buckfast/Special Brew. I was joking of course but sometimes admitedly it is difficult to tell from what I write. I think there is definitely a strong connection with smoking and drinking. Each possibly kills the horrible taste of the other. Even I would admit they were great together if moderation were possible. I still occasionally enjoy a beer or whatever with a vape and snuff. Took me some adjustment but now it’s all good. I was at the Giro last week and walking down the pit lane with all the team buses etc and I got a wiff of a cigarette from what must have been about a 100 yards away and was carried along by the wind and I was actually vaping at the time and I have to say those tobacco molecules on the wind went straight to somewhere deep in my brain and the scent was wonderful. so a little disconcerting. Made me think for a second that the vaping was rubbish but I quickly got over it. Actually I no longer like second hand smoke when standing beside people smoking and find myself moving out of the way. It seems to irritate my chest but that was a strange experience getting that wiff from so far away and it causing that strange reaction the one sort of similar to when you walk past a coffee shop and the fresh coffee smell is drifting out only this being a tobacco version and even stronger.

I’ve gone back to cigarettes a few times since I started snuffing and also began pipe smoking. Cigarettes are just horrible to me now probably because of the pipe smoking, I find the cigarettes are such lower quality and have no good taste when compared to pipe tobacco. Yesterday I bought a personal vaping system to try with blueberry liquid and mid-range nicotine level and I must say it is very good! I think the vaping should keep me from the cigarettes and I will stick to it and snuffing with maybe an occasional pipe.

I was at the Giro last week and walking down the pit lane with all the team buses etc and I got a wiff of a cigarette from what must have been about a 100 yards away and was carried along by the wind and I was actually vaping at the time and I have to say those tobacco molecules on the wind went straight to somewhere deep in my brain and the scent was wonderful. so a little disconcerting. Made me think for a second that the vaping was rubbish but I quickly got over it. Actually I no longer like second hand smoke when standing beside people smoking and find myself moving out of the way. It seems to irritate my chest but that was a strange experience getting that wiff from so far away and it causing that strange reaction the one sort of similar to when you walk past a coffee shop and the fresh coffee smell is drifting out only this being a tobacco version and even stronger.

You have something there. It does stir something deep within and I think it probably always will.