Hello, long time snuff user, rarely post… but am a little confused. I have seen various videos from people like Uncle Squinty in the US, and posts here etc… and have become confused about how the May restrictions will affect me as a UK resident. Am I right in thinking the only thing I/we will face in the UK is a partial restriction on the flavours some people will produce because of the cost of the paperwork? Most flavours will still be available correct?

There is no ‘ban’ to the EU is there or anything like that?

Thank you - to be honest this has got me worried a little. I stopped a 40 a day habit (at its worst) in 2012, and sucessfully moved to snus and snuff… I have to bloody illegally get snus, I hope that doesn’t happen to snuff too!

Here’s what we know for sure . 

MrSnuff/Snuffstore ,Snuffme, MySmoking Shop , Toque and Sharrowmills will continue to deal online snuff for our UK market. 

Wilsons of Sharrow  and Samuel Gawith/Gawith Hoggarth stay in business with a much reduced range .

Beyond that , I have no idea how many types they will be able to actually sell us in June . There’s a list up somewhere of the remaining traditional British snuff . It’s the exotic imports I worry about and the wide choice of flavours . Personally , I ve been stocking up on my more esoteric tastes and learning DIY scenting . 

The UK Vaping industry has been preparing for the TPD for years …the snuff industry was blindsided and has only had a few months .

Hmnnn… worrying… I just hope the normal snuffs like Hedges and JH Wilson etc still carry on…

Don’t panic! There’s still plenty of snuff retailers in the UK, and Toque and Wilsons of Sharrow supply direct from the mill. Some of the product ranges have been greatly reduced due to registration fees, but if you’re just starting branching out now, that just means you won’t mourn the passing of old favourites. I just made a post earlier today in another thread, which lists 40 snuffs that I’m a fan off which are still in production and freely available. The only reason I only hit 40, is because I don’t like medicated snuffs, or toasts and other superfine grinds. There are still well over 100 different snuffs still made in the UK alone, never mind the American, Indian, German, and other offerings out there. Your nose will not go wanting

Thank you for the reassurance… it all just seems crazy! It also seems crazy why manufacturers are cutting their range… why not ONLY make in one size tin and only sell in the UK? THEN some dodgy chap (or lady) could set up a website where they could ship to the EU countries illegally? Like al the snus companies do?

However, I won’t panic!

If you’re only slightly confused, it sounds like you’re way ahead of everyone else, including the manufacturers and the regulators. It sounds like nobody really knows what the hell is going on.

@Roderick any plans on bringing in an artisan Toque range in the future? A range of expensive premium snuffs hand crafted all the way through the manufacturing process?

@Roderick then ignore his comment about making them expensive!  Keep them as they are

Just got a mail, from May on Snuffstore will not ship outside Germany anymore…

@dutch_pipe_smoke I sent an email over the weekend asking if paketshops within DE are okay - I am quite close to the German border and for me that would be something of a solution

My friends on my home pipesmokers forum asked officials of czech-greman packet shops if is for them handling packets contains tobacco and they say: No problem for us unless it over 1 kg of tobacco. Jack

I heard back from Snuffstore (and also cigarworld) that shipping to paketshops etc is not an issue at all.  I can take the train to Germany fairly quickly and then pick up the goodies.

For me taking the train or driving to Germany is not an option… I guess Mr Snuff still ships to The Netherlands?

Yes, MrSnuff still ships to the Netherlands. I received a package from them last week. Btw, nice to see you here @dutch_pipe_smoker

Yes we ship worldwide and will continue to do so. We will shortly be shifting our entire operation out of the EU.

Wow big news! If you decide to move to an offshore Bahamian or other tropical Island… let me know!

So PACT made you move out of the US and now TPD is making you move out of the UK, where are you going next? Definately not Canada the price of snuff would quadruple if you moved here.

Mr Snuff could stay in the UK and soon be out of the EU

Switzerland?

I m delighted MrSnuff and Snuffstore are staying in business and able to sell the full range  ,  but I m gutted to be losing them from the UK .

I feared we would no longer have access to exotic snuffs at all in Britain . 

The stock situation at Snuffstore.de did not look encouraging , it looks like they ll be losing a lot of quality lines  in May :( 

@Roderick. Can you just make a limited Toque EU brand or something so that you can still sell to EU market while still keeping the other flavors for the rest of the world ?

https://youtu.be/\\_eS5OVhUDQc

Remember rules can change. Just because they’re one way doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way. Not sure who can or the best way to get any messages out there about snuff and why these rules unfairly impact a business that is really only tangentially connected to other businesses that the law is really aimed at. It might be a long process but the more people in general are aware of snuff the less likely laws like this are going to be. It is clear looking at the rules it makes sense for many more widely used tobacco products and ones where the ingredients vary much more widely then they do in snuff and are more likely to impact the health of the users. One essential oil in a snuff isn’t as different from another essential oil in another snuff as say a chemical added to a cigarette to control the way it burns and how quickly the nicotine is absorbed. At root it’s a problem of ignorance. What I am saying is do your part and spread snuff awareness. Snuff proud and out. Then also if you know how keep complaining to the right people and complain with facts.

Oh and I still think there has to be some way around this. I’ve wondered if a small packet of scent could be sold separately from the base snuff. Some way to get the snuffer to infuse the scents into the snuff. Then they could literally sell a handful of bases. Certain grinds or certain blends of tobacco. And then sell very small amounts of essential oils or something similar that are not put under special rules. I have said this before but I keep thinking of the grape cakes sold during prohibition. Which where pressed cakes of wine grapes that could be home fermented (and had instructions put as warnings do not put your grape juice like this or it becomes wine and that is bad, some literally read as step by step instructions with the only difference is that the first sentence said don’t follow this steps). There must be some totally legal way around this. Which given that snuff isn’t the target of these laws should not set off very many waves. Another work around to get to the mental gears rolling. In japan gambling is illegal so at gaming parlors you can win silly little prizes like one could at Chucky Cheeses the gaming parlor then owns pawn shops that will buy these prizes back as if they were gaming chips at a price much higher then the value of the prize. Technically it’s not gambling and to pass laws to stop it would be more effort then it is worth or at least require a greater amount of energy.

what is you labeled all snuff “Not for Human consumption” that seems to be the way shops are selling bath salts and other stupidly absurd chemicals legally. If it says do not consume who is the EU to say otherwise, either way are you even technically consuming snuff if you blow it out anyway?

There is a pet store who cannot sell food for humans but sell some tallow for making bird feeding balls.  They mark it as not for humans, even though you technically could use it.

One issue, though - snuff is by definition for sniffing.  You would have to call it something else or in some other way change it more clearly then just “snuff, not for human consumption”.  “Fake Snuff, for display purposes and use in films etc.  Not for human consumption” might well suffice. 

Labelling snuff as not for human consumption would set a VERY dangerous precedent. As soon as a manufacturer declared it unfit for sniffing, that would be game over. With no other reason for it to be made or sold, you would be inviting a ban. Worst suggestion so far. Sorry guys.

Yeah I just know here in Aus fish shops are aloud to sell antibiotics without prescription, containing the exact same chemicals and filler as our prescription antibiotics. They dont even have a register it’s alittle worrying.

@Effy I agree you would need to define the legal definition of consumption, whether that be “an amount of a substance used up or ingested” or something else.

***Edit just saw your comment @50ft_trad that may be so, though can you ban something that has no reason to be banned. I’m not sure what the laws are elsewhere though here we cannot ban a substance sold if it has a label “not for human consumption” that is why bathsalts and all these screwed up new chemicals are still being sold all over the country.

Though I do understand your point, last thing we want is to impose more restrictions on snuff.

@bob That seems to be the way. Lets think about “Straubinger Ungefettet Schmalzler”. If you can not sell true schmai with lard, buy lard apart and add it by yourself. Keep up the traditional product instead of transvestite it using paraffin oil

@snuffvillian - are schmalzlers really made with lard?!

@chico  indeed https://translate.google.com/#de/en/schmalz

Lard is used quite often here

Traditionally schmalzlers were made with lard, modern day schmalzlers are made with paraffin oil.

https://www.poeschl-tobacco.com/en/products/schmalzler-production/

@Roderick ok I’m confused, if you can just keep selling to EU customers as usual then why did so many other UK manufacturers cut their product line and change the names ?

Sounds like “big snuff” to me. I can see one day after some time being old and grey Toque sells out to big tobacco for millions. @Roderick