Bloody ridiculous. I am an ex smoker but I still hate seeing stuff like this. http://www.cigarinspector.com/news-of-the-week/outdoor-smoking-banned-in-new-york-city

And how in God’s name will something like that be enforced!?!

If they are concerned for air quality, its the automobile that should be banned.

where my brother lives in santa monica you cannot smoke at parks . beaches . outdoor patios of bars resturants . 20 ft from a door or window of any business . virtually all hotels indoors and out . the whole of 3rd street promenade ( outdoor mall ) this is the best one thou on your own patio or balcony of your own house no matter if you rent or own it … when i am there i prefer to walk to venice to spend my money if i am going out for a drink

New York is trying really hard to turn it’s self into a crapy city.

While I abhor any sort of “nanny state” legislation/city ordinances, such ridiculous and oppressive laws do serve to encourage more smokers to try smokeless tobacco products. Whether that is a benefit or not depends on your perspective. I’ve heard some folks say they’re afraid that too much growth in the smokeless tobacco market will draw unwelcome attention from the anti-tobacco zealots. They may have a point, but given the stealth factor of smokeless, I can’t envision how bans of same could be successfully enforced.

I would actually welcome the debate between anti-tobaccoists and smokeless. Real debate can bring to wider attention many facts and dispell myths. Its really the best way to change people’s misconceptions.

In my experience, anti-tobaccoists (or anti-anything-ists) aren’t interested in real debate or facts. It’s always worth a shot, though.

This makes me … I’ll post later

Yet another reason for me to not ever visit NY. And the thing is, I KNOW New York isn’t just these anti-tobacco freaks on fixie bikes sippin’ free-trade half-caff lattes, I mean my heart goes out to plain folks in The Big Apple who are just as mad as we are that they’re herded outdoors and now only to the sidewalks to have a smoke. I’m also mad because NY is the big trendsetter, and you wait and see, other big cities will follow (using the eternal rationale: “But it’s big in NY!”). I said they’d never pass a public smoking ban in Michigan, and boy was I wrong…

Its going to happen everywhere; it will slowly crawl across the face of the planet. Snuff may end up the only viable way of indulging in tobacco. It makes me seethe but at the same time very thankful for the ol powder.

I should hope not at any rate. Antitabagism has its ebbs and flows; the US saw a backlash against tobacco in the late 19th century with the likes of John Harvey Kellogg and Sylvester Graham promoting health (of course, they also promoted an all-cereal diet and not tossing off, no thanks!), before the partypoopers settled on Prohibition as their target. Now once again we find armchair experts with little else to do, people who are used to getting their way and they’ve decided tobacco’s the bad guy. And I suppose that’s what irks me the most; all this furor is mainly built on people who just hate smoke and want the WHOLE WORLD to smell just as bland and empty as their own heads, period. We gave you the planes (heh, I was born too late to ever smoke on a plane), we gave you the workplaces, the bars, the restaurants, and now outdoor public spaces. I guess Cedric the Entertainer was right; pretty soon you’re gonna have to leave EARTH to have a square…

“When we Dutch founded NY, This was not our intention.” England, in the 17th century, was economically and militarily no match for the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden. To the latter the formal exchange of Nieuw-Amsterdam (New York) with England for the tiny spice island of Pulau Run in Indonesia seemed like a bargain at the time. As events turned out it was a poor exchange. England gave up a nutmeg orchard on an obscure island for the biggest of apples. How many people today have even heard of Pulau Run?

Never mind vehicle pollution, one is left with the impression that non-smokers are forced to wear respirators outdoors to combat the dense cigarette smog. Sounds poppycock to me. Perhaps it’s time to make some subtle changes to the text of the Star Spangled Banner to reflect America’s new quasi-Stalinist order. And this be our motto: “In Nanny is our trust.” And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall limply wave O’er the land of the hare-brained and home of the wrapped-in-cotton-wool-little-darlings.

Lmao Phillips. I love the way you put things. But on a serious note this is disgraceful. I’ll give it ten years and it will be the same in the UK. Have these anti-tobacco, Stalinist fuckwits got nothing better to do? I’m quite angry about this. Stefan

@PhilipS: The exchange was not only the Banda islands, where the world production of nutmeg was situated, but also included Suriname as was stated in the Treaty of Westminster of 5th of March 1674. Jaap Bes.

@James S: Funny you should mention Kellogg. I have thought for a while now that modern society has a real neo-Victorian bent at times. From our focus on “nutrition” instead of food (qv Michael Pollan’s “In Defense of Food”) to cognitive dissonance on matter of drugs, drink, and sex, to use a few examples. The movie The Road to Wellville, which was apparently panned by critics sheds some (fictionalised) light on this. I am told it is a book a well. Plus ca change …

I love that movie. “MEAT and POTATOES MEAT and POTATOES!”

I love nutmeg! Sometimes it’s not about money. THAT is when you know you have it right.

@NelsonPipeClub: Damn right modern society is stultified. Henry Miller once wrote that the modern American is pacifistic and cannibalistic, and he said that purt-near 80 years ago. I agree with Pollan as well, I like what he has to say. Both nibble at opposite ends of the same Graham cracker: in our haste to improve our lives we quit listening to our intuition and started following Advice from Experts, thus taking millions of years of Wise Nature’s instincts that we were born with and chucking them into the crapper. Eat when you want to (STOP WHEN YOU’RE NOT HUNGRY), drink til you’re happy, practice moderation in all manners of indulgence but by no means deny yourself the carnal pleasures that are an integral part of life in meatspace. One of the reasons I like it so much here on Snuffhouse; we’re all bound by a common love of an esoteric but wonderful habit and hobby…

^5 on that, Bru!

Wow! Nicely put James!!! F’in brilliant…that is one great philosophy to have, and I guess unknowingly I’ve been living it for years. I’ve just never seen it put into words…big ups bruv!!!

Very soon, Americans won’t be allowed to smoke even within the privacy of their homes.

Heh, well thank you…as Fred Sanford once said, “Yeh I manage to get off a good one now an’ agin.” But I find myself making the same pratfall much as anybody else. I’m a technical writer and therefore fiendishly left-brained; forever analyzing and dismantling situations, people, machines, etc. Seldom allow myself to be immersed in a moment, usually passed on drink or drugs because my mind wanted to be in control and my mind does NOT like to be upstaged. Only now, a little later in life, do I realize my mind can be a big pain in the ass and I’d like it to shut up, frankly. Sometime between the late Paleozoic Era and when I graduated from college, I was actually more creative and experienced more than one emotion a week…would like to head back in that direction before I turn into a complete robot.

instinct the only thing that’s been evolving for billions of years with you best interests in mind.

your not you best interests

Fact is, smoking stinks (the actual smell), everyone knows this. Secondhand smoke is not filtered, less of us understand this one. Fact is, burning anything is not good for the environment, cars included. The way I see it, snuff has no way to go but up. America will be a huge market for snuff. It’s not the tobacco, it’s the smell, it’s the pollution, it’s the nasty butts laying all over, it’s the fire hazard on the sides of the road and it’s the considerable expense our governments are paying for health related issues to smoking. If so many smokers hadn’t gotten lazy and disregarded everyone around them for their bad habit, it probably wouldn’t have become like it has. Anyway, I’m hoping to see a wide variety of imported snuffs at a local store someday, even if I have to start it.

Kelowna its illegal to smoke 3 meters from a door, at bus stops, in parks, in your car with anybody under 16, and a whole bunch of other ones. When i quit i really didnt care where people smoked around me.

Soviet Union didn’t have this problem either.

Well, no one will ever tell me what i can and can’t do, so if they were to try to take away something that i like doing, I won’t make it easy for them. Kinda like how I never pay parking tickets. motherless politician control freaks!

Damn Mark I thought your avatar was something you got off the internet…but that’s actually you!!

Yes, I am Gabby Hayes! I will be turning 126 years old in May. LOL! Would anyone like to buy some autographs?

yer durn tootin’…I’ll trade ya one urine filled neti pot for one…lol!!!

So how is this law enforced? How does it actualy work out. Cause that definatly matters. Hey hooked thank you so much for makeing such a fine point. I think they should drop the bar smokeing ban. I wonder is this the kind of smoking ban where someone would actualy have to complain or is it more like a parking ticket. How much does it cost how much are the police willing to enforce it? I bet it will be like public drunkeness in the town I live in. Certain times of the year it’s easy to get caught doing it. When the budgets fixed you’d have to drunkly fall on a cop to get charged with it.

As to the neo-Victorian/Fascist/Stalinist element in American politics and culture, yes, it has always been around. Examples abound for anyone with the least interest in history. Witness Louisiana governor (and perhaps the most colorful and crooked politician in US history) Huey Long’s oft-repeated and prophetic quote: “When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag.”

It is still legal to smoke in bars, casinos and horsetracks around here, for now. Until the feds decide they know whats best for all the states. @PipenSnusnSnuff I would like to add to the qoute “and look like clinton/bush/obama” lol!! Hope that doesn’t hurt anyones feelings. On a serious note: We need to bring back the H.U.A.C.! I bet you we would see what these anti-tobacco (aka anti-American Culture) people are really linked to!

Good lord.

yeah…ok, but… uh, oh, nevermind. Good lord.

“Bunch of Health Nazi’s! Before you know you need to wear a big S on your clothes, ( SMOKER ).” Harsh one. That reminds me, Hitler and Mussolini didnt smoke nor did Hirohito. On the other side Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin did all smoke. Any question ?? (well,well… ok - Stalin was a asshole too but back in the days a good allie

new york man agrees to pay neighbo(u)rs $ 2000 every time he smokes a cigar in his apartment . http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/ues\\_man\\_agrees\\_his\\_pay\\_each\\_time\\_Bu44ykeEKyxEPzWBKxT9yL?listcomments=true#comments

I don’t see this issue going away anytime soon. The DoJ is still hammering Phillip Morris in court and now demanding they pay for a large ad campaign including billboards announcing themselves as greedy liars who withheld information resulting in countless deaths for the sake of profit. Despite this being true, no one has called for any other industry to pay for ads confessing their reckless profiteering. How many pharmacy companies have been exposed subverting the FDA to pawn off dangerous meds on the public for a buck? Do I get to see their billboard confessions on the highways too? Where are Obama and Bush’s ads apologizing for breaking campaign promises? Just as important is the threat from within. If large tobacco conglomerates such as BAT, Phillip Morris, Reynolds, etc. start seeing a substantial revenue in snuff sales, rest assured they will take notice. This might not be a bad thing but there are some dangerous implications. Look at the retail cost of cigarettes and oral tobacco on American store shelves just in the last decade. Snuff prices at the retail level are relatively low and stable for now. Shipping and PACT vodoo taxes have accounted for the added costs so far for consumers. If the “snuff revolution” comes about, do we then have to worry about paying $15 a tin? Maybe not, these are only vague speculations. But there is the old adage about being careful of what you ask for. Browse thru Companies House and Dun & Bradstreet records and ask yourself how many snuff retailers are staying afloat by just selling snuff alone? The snuff industry may not be the independent entity we like to believe it is. Keep a close eye on the enemy in front of you, but don’t forget to check your back too.

Heh, look what happened to Swedish snus once Big Tobacco figured out we liked it. Poof, Marlboro & Camel snus. If they get wind that snuff is getting popular, we’d get crap from them made from pencil sharpener shavings and vacuum bag dust…

You know that sounds like the most bad ass ads of all times. I really see that increasing profit. I sometimes wonder about judges. If they’re as clueless about somethings as they act or if they’re shifty pocket dwellers. Man about the cigar apartment fine. If he was my neighbor I’d just make him give me a cigar every fourth time. Or some brandy either would be fine.