I was reading comments on another forum about our idiot governments latest brain wave to persecute smokers in the UK ‘Cigarette display ban considered’ last week it was a ‘licence to smoke’, and to think some is actually been paid with tax payers money to come up with this lunacy *mad* - any way, in one of the comments some one made reference to “e-cig”, now I never herd or this thing before so hit up Google and you tube - to my amazement it was an electronic cigarette, you take a drag and smoke comes out of it and every thing, it even lights up on the end 
supposedly it has some king of changeable nicotine filter in it so you get a hit like a normal cigarette. HAs any one seen one of these electronic cigarettes in the flesh maybe even used one - is this the future of smoking? here is a link to youtube if you want to see what these things look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pV8j81qX4U&feature=related
There’s a real possibility that smoking as we know it will be a thing of the past by 2030 if the current hysteria is maintained. For the same reason whenever I buy 1 tin of pipe tobacco, I buy an extra 4 for my “tobacco cellar”. I’m not too worried about snuff, but given that it will keep for many years when properly stored, I will probably invest in a snuff cellar as well. There are spots of sunshine here and there, as many are either rejecting a ban all together and others who simply won’t comply. But as things are looking at the moment, it doesn’t look good. I just hope that common sense and _real_ science will come through.
I think it would take a lot to have a complete ban on tobacco in the US. Since the big tobacco almost runs the country. They have a lot of money and a lot of lawyers. Also a ban would effect so many families who grow tobacco to put food on the table. That would create mass unemployment from the tobacco factories, tobacco farmers, tobacco shops & all involved in sales, the company making the paper & filters & packaging. Not to mention the huge loss in tax revenue. You would have whole towns go under.
I have to say again I think the pub is the last place smoke should be banned, the street makes more sense. As far as employes at these places if you don’t want to be around smoke go work at a chain restraunt or a restraunt sure there is less money but a pub certainly shouldn’t be about health.
industrial hemp does have thc but the marijuana and hemp plants both also have chemicals that counteract thc hemp just has enough that you can’t get any high off of it. As far as being able to get high or not I don’t see why it matters you can get high off lots of things that are legal that are also a lot worse for you like gasoline for example or cheap booze.
Yeah once again California is being weird. They governor vetoed a bill that would allow farmers to grow industrial hemp which would have provided jobs but yet medical marijuana is legal in CA? He said there could be to much confusion between hemp fields and marijuana crops when viewed from the air or ground. Even though medical marijuana is legal, one holding the license is only allowed something like 5 plants at any time, any more than that and its considered an illegal crop. And there are countless pot fields raided every year in some of the rural mountain areas. He didn’t want to make it harder to distinguish the industrial hemp fields and illegal marijuana fields. Even though I’ve heard they are easily distinguishable from each other?
Wow, reading through the replies it seems the war against smokers isn’t just confined to the UK - over here smoking is banned in all enclosed public spaces, & workplaces can‘t light up in a hospital car park you have to be completely off the property same applies at the nursing home my mother works at, you can’t even smoke in your own home if you have some one in to mend a leaking tap or what ever - if all that wasn’t enough there has been rumblings about introducing a licence to buy tobacco, tobacco sales not been on public display even smoking been banned in some open public spaces in one town - been refused medical treatment because you’re a smoker - of course on top of that the continual rise In tax on smoking tobacco products, a pack of 20 smokes is like $10 and a 50g pouch of rolling or pipe tobacco is in the $20 region.
trout said the governor vetoed a bill that would allow farmers to grow industrial hemp which would have provided jobs but yet medical marijuana is legal in CA? He said there could be to much confusion between hemp fields and marijuana crops when viewed from the air or ground. Maybe it gets in craw when he accidently smokes industrial hemp?
These comments are just how it seems to me, I’m no real expert but I think smoking will go, the lawsuits and PC brigade will see to it eventually. Big Tobacco is powerful but they can be defeated and are being more and more often - they could not stop any of the bans, in the UK they couldn’t even get ammendations to allow smoking in private clubs. As long as China and India exist as developing markets, BT could probably happily diversify to other products in the West. It will be interesting to see how it goes with snuff and other smokeless products, I just wouldn’t be surprised if that old spotlight didn’t fall on it and we get snuffing bans - these people are so monumentally determined to tell us what we can do with our bodies and how often can you trust governments to make sensible decisions? When it comes to marijuana the only politicians that would take a common sense view are ones that don’t have any ambition - and there are not too many of those
Its a hard one to call Roderick. As an ex heavy smoker - 30 roll ups or a pack and a half of Bensons every day - I can see the attraction but I think that any electronic/vapour/pseudo - smoke device will still be regarded in the same way as cigarettes in places where bans are imposed. Anything that is lit and inhaled will treated as smoking, whether the vapour is smoke or not. I’ve not read the UK legislation but I am familiar with the way laws are written and this would either be covered already or an ammendment quickly made if the devices caught on. There may be a market - if the devices are shown to be less harmful - with smokers who are worried about their habit or who want to quit - but I would guess it would be limited; the sort of thing you try once and then just can’t be bothered with. When the ‘Nicorette inhalators’ were introduced - which are like these bar the lighting up - I had one for about a week but it simply wasn’t close enough to smoking to make me carry on with it. Smokers want cigarettes with the heavy nicotine hit etc and they want to be able to buy them conveniently at any store - I certainly did. I genuinely believe that the way ahead for people who want to quit is through snuff - it has literally saved my sanity after many miserable, failed attempts to quit cigarettes. The fantastic thing about snuff is that you don’t lose tobacco. Nicotine by any other route just doesn’t satisfy. I think these devices are a dead end and anyone in this day and age that sells tobacco would be well advised to concentrate their efforts on snuff. Obviously, these comments are entirely personal and I’m sure other members will have their own views. Nigel
I don’t see these things as being super big but I see the definate potential market though I think the enterance fee kinda kills the casual let’s see what this thing is where as snuff who even notices the diffrence if you buy a tin and don’t like it.
I have not seen these here. It sounds like the vapor is probably glycerine. It carries flavors pretty well and makes nice fluffy white clouds that are thick enough for smoke rings. You can make your own juice for this system with a little effort. For a test batch you can use ten grams of any tobacco you choose. Simmer with a cup of water on very low heat for 20 minutes. Strain liquid through coffee filter and reduce over very low heat until almost all water is gone. Remove from heat. Dilute tobacco essence to taste with pure, food grade glycerine and have yourself a “smokeless smoke.”
Better yet - cook up some of that there hemp they’re growing in California!
They’ll probably classify them as a drug delivery device in the US like they did with the Favor smokeless cigarette back in the early 90’s and require a doctor’s prescription to legally obtain one. Congress did this in response to intense lobbying from the anti-tobacco movement, not the drug companies. If people stopped using cigarettes, I guess those bastards would have to get real jobs.
Then the antitobaccoites are either dupes or whores as well as lying unreasoning fanatics. Don’t count on them ignoring anything. I have it on good authority that they, including some governmental agencies, even snoop into private messages on tobacco forums looking for dirt.
Yeah! We better quit yelping about the forty five grams actually being fifty too!
I’ve just bought one of these little beauties, and have to say they are brilliant! For me personally I love snuff, but I miss the habit of the hand to mouth action on smoking, this solves all the problems and hopefully will completely get me out of the habit that I can’t seem to shake off. Really good idea for those who miss the habit of smoking. 10/10
I hope these things catch on purely to annoy the anti-tobacco/free choice lobby. Im not sure I would trust myself to not get back on the cigarettes though, it sounds a bit too close to smoking whether you light it or not
Since they are fairly new I wonder what the long term side effects are with inhaling a nicotine vapor?
night-vision would be my first guess.