Hi. After realising that, despite the name, Wilson’s No 20 is not a true toast, I bought a tin of No 22 in order to find out what a true toast is like (by the way, I really like No 20!). I found to my surprise that, despite all the positive reviews and opinions regarding No 22, I didn’t like it. Maybe it’ll grow on me, but the jury’s out on that one. How representative of the toasts is No 22? If it is fairly representative then I’ll hold back on the toasts in the future. Also, while we’re here, what is your favourite toast and how does it compare with No 22? Thanks in advance!

Hello, @Heluvagi! Wilson’s no. 20 is a true toast. However it is only lightly toasted, and is also an SP (a usually bergamot scented medium grind English snuff). You may find that the SPs are more your taste. Wilson’s no. 22 is a high toast, meaning its toasted a lot! Nowadays its very representative of the style. Almost all other toasts are high toasts. This one happens to be my personal favorite, but the other snuffmakers all have ones similar to this, some are flavored, but most are not. Generally some are a bit less or a bit more sweet, smokey or buttery than the No. 22, but I’d call that one the one that others compare themselves to. (As soon as I post this somone will say F&T HDT is the standard, or the best, so try that one too)

IHT 22 is the cadillac of toasts. If you don’t like it forget about the others.

22 to me is very similar to SG Irish D Light … Toque’s Natural Toast is quite good too, but will remind you of 22. The toasts that you may find enjoyable are Toque’s flavored toasts or maybe Wilson’s Lemon Toast. As an odd duck of toasts, one of my favorites is GH’s Irish D … unique from the others, less buttery, more bite. But as far as toasts … Toque’s Natural, Lime and Toast & Marmalade are worth trying. I find Whiskey & Honey to be toast like too … your mileage may vary …

Irish D Light by SG is sweeter and more creamy than most toasts. That and Toque Natural, and Lime toasts are my favourites. Stefan

I would not give up on Toast yet. I like Wilson’s #20 as well. Snuffbrant had some good recommendations. Wilson’s Lemon Toast and all of Toque’s scented toast - Lime, Toast and Marmalade, Whiskey & Honey and the yet to be released Almond Toast. If you didn’t like WIlson’s # 22 I would be surprised if you like the SG or GH toast. (But you may)

That’s interesting, to me #22 is totally different to SG Irish D Light (and G&H Irish D). The latter two are rather similar, being quite sharp and smokey (the G&H isn’t as sweet), and to my nose they are sort of toast/scotch hybrids, whereas IHT #22, Toque Natural Toast, and F&T HDT are “true” toasts, having a very subtle buttery/nutty/smoky scent.

Yeah, it is interesting how the nose works, Jammer, as each person’s sniffer picks up flavors so differently … I find nothing similar to Irish D, certainly not D Light … Irish D has a vinegar bite, much like a toast/scotch cross. Someone may be able to clarify, but I thought 22 was one and the same with either D Light or HDT … more likely HDT, right? This is why snuffs are so great, each scent is unique depending on the individual sniffer sniffing them.

Right! Now I’m confused. I’ve tried Toque’s ‘Quit’ which I’ve been led to believe is the same as Toque’s ‘Natural’, but with more nicotine (is this true?), and I really like it. I get none of the ‘campfire’ aroma from Quit. Please help here.

I assume you are confused between “Natural Toast” and “Natural”? Natural Toast is just a toast and completely different from Toque Natural. Quit and Natural are similar in nature … Natural Toast is not like either of them. Naturally! I believe Quit does have a bit more nicotine than Natural, but both share the same flavor profile, in my opinion. Hope this helps.

Thanks for that snuffbrant. Yes I was getting confused. There’s so many snuffs out there, it’s making my head spin. I was only looking at the selection on ‘snuff.me’. They don’t appear to have ‘Natural Toast’.

That’s interesting, to me #22 is totally different to SG Irish D Light (and G&H Irish D). The latter two are rather similar, being quite sharp and smokey (the G&H isn’t as sweet), and to my nose they are sort of toast/scotch hybrids, whereas IHT #22, Toque Natural Toast, and F&T HDT are “true” toasts, having a very subtle buttery/nutty/smoky scent.

I don’t find them similar either. And maybe I should retract my comment But I really don’t see someone disliking 22 and liking the SG & GH Toast. lol But I should keep in mind that I can only judge it by my nose…

Not only are each of noses different, but realistically each manufacturers take is different, and like in the case of Wilson’s there are often several options for a given type. So no wonder we get confused at times. AND no wonder we all suffer from TAD… However, the suffering is not bad!!!

Only had one toast I hated and I’am not allowed to talk about because someone will probably kill me if I do.

Toques Bourbon is a toast too, yes? That wasn’t it, was it bob?

Yes, Toque Bourbon is a toast. No, I won’t guess bob’s hated toast.

I’am not saying. Though I still have to try Bourbon toast.

I’m guessing it’s either F&T HDT, Toque W&H or WoS IHT#22 since these are the most loved toasts and talking shit about them is a sure fire way to get yourself lynched

not saying anything.

Toque Bourbon is an awesome toast. I’ll have to remember to add it to the order I’m placing today. I know it’s a bit of a standard answer on here, but F&T HDT is the best thing that has ever gone in my nose, and I love it more in the fall because of all the familiar scents that it carries. I never thought I’d be much of a toast guy, but apparently I am. Good for me!

My opinion on toasts is that they rock. A favorite is hard to pick, but I have the most stock of toque natural toast and F&T HDT.

bob- I was going to amend my post to add “but I don’t want to put you on the spot”. Anyways I do like the bourbon, I thought it was a toast. Surprisingly I haven’t found one I dislike.

You cannot go wrong with F&T HDT. Anyway, what is about GH Irish D ? Imho it is a splendid toast as well.

i second your opinion of GH Irish D being a splendid toast @Prismaster. In my top 5 since the day some went up my sniffer.

the F&T is one of the greats of snuffdom. Even if you don’t think you’ll like it try it just so you know one of the classics.

F&T HDT is the one I have bough the most of, with WOS 22 a worthy second though the stronger scent makes it only an occasional use for me. Weird thing though, with the Toque Natural toast I got a really bitter scent. This may have been an old tin, as I bought it in a tobacconist. Guess I should give it another try, as I had high hopes of this one, having enjoyed, on occasion, the other Toque toasts. Regarding the Irish D Light, I found the sweetness off putting.

IHT No 22 is da bomb!

I am beginning to like toasts more and more. Toque Lime Toast is fantastic and I do like Irish D light but it reminds me a bit of pipe tobacco with its flavor. When I first started snuffing toasts tore me up a bit, now they are quite pleasant.

In general, I’m not a big fan of toasts/scotches. However, I greatly enjoy Toque Whisky & Honey, and would not want to be without a supply of it. I also have several tubes of various American scotches in my collection. I don’t pinch from them often, though – only when I feel the need for a truly eye-watering nicotine blast.

Wilsons #22 is the toast for me. All the others including scotches are good too. Never had a bad dry snuff.

@AllanH - It is funny how I go back and forth between WoS #22 and F&T . Considering they are the same source, with subtle taste variations, I prefer one, then the other, back and forth.

I like how I don’t have to worry about toasts drying out, as they are already dried out. I admit I’m not crazy about the campfire aroma. When I first tried one (Wilsons I think) my first impression was not campfire but “house fire”. F&T HDT is tasty though, and I’ve enjoyed most of the main contenders on occasion.

I find that Toasts in general seem to absorb the ambient humidity here very well. I’m not a big fan of Toasts though so any Toast will do.

Has anyone tried the Dholakia toasts ?

I have had all the Dholakia Toasts, as I’m sure others have … i just didn’t care for them. Far too dusty, too fine, for my nose. They also, to me, had no semblance to the toasts I love - no buttery nature, no smokiness - and the Indian scent that lingered, while not unbearably strong, I just knew I wouldn’t reach for them at all. They were more Indian Scotches versus toasts, to me, if that makes sense.

I feel I have to post this, given that I initiated this discussion. I’ve completely reversed my opinion of #22. I’ve really started to like it. If I hadn’t read all the above posts extolling the virtue of #22, I might never have given it another go. I’ve been tentatively trying a pinch or two and slowly, but surely, it’s really grown on me! Thanks snuffhouse. Consider me a convert!

I like Toasts but Toasts don’t like me. I have tried filling my lungs with air first and sniffing gently, I have tried MrMichaelSnuff’s “nostril kink” and I have tried blowing my nose first to moisten the inside of my nose - all of these to no avail - the wretched stuff still flies straight to the back of my throat. Do the venerable gentlemen on this site know of a Toast that is not bone dry and dust-fine - or is this a contradiction in terms?

To me, Wilson’s # 20 has a little more moisture. It is a lightly toasted SP. Toque Whiskey & Honey is also one of the easier toast to take.

@insufflator I can feel your pain. That is how it has been for me in the past. My technique has improved making a big difference. I had more success in taking a pinch, basically placing it against the septum in the nostril then pinching the fleshy part of the nose in. Pinching closed the nostrils. This sort of glued the goods in place. The problem is that you can only do very small doses at a time this way but can help get you over the hump. With this method never had any problems sniffing it too far back because I didn’t sniff at all. Now, not so much a problem. Good luck!

Well, after I achived blowhole method there is no problem with toasts. Even HDT. Instead, toasts itself become more handy as they are all-day snuffs. For today I used only HDT and IHT#22, got no burn or nose runs. Taking a pinch is problematic due to stick on fingers, so the spoon become usefull. @insufflator, use searchbox about that method, guess it will solve your problem.

IHT No 22 is awesome. I’ve tried several other toasts and scotches but they’ve all had a slight ‘off’ note to my taste. After reading this thread I went to get 10g to see if it was as good as I remembered it being and it is.

There was recent talk of a varitation of method. What i do for all fine snuffs is lightly coat the tip of one finger, bring it to the nostril and sniff. As long as you do very tiny amounts, it is very hard to over do it. I end up coating my finger tip about six or seven times before im done. I have also been steadly increasing the amount i take at once. This has really opened the world of fine grind snuffs to me.

For toasts, my favourite is a 50/50 mix of F&T and SG.

o.k. I can admit it now I really really didn’t like the almond toast. It did not agree with my sense of smell in any way at all. I found it really gross. Not a poorly made snuff but didn’t agree with me. Funny love toque think they’re great yet they’ve made a few of my unsnuffables. Whiskey and honey is a favorite of mine however.

Only had one toast I hated and I’am not allowed to talk about because someone will probably kill me if I do.

I love the almond toast ,And can’t wait to get the bumped up version. Just goes to show every nose is different. I read a lot of reviews and everyone is someones opinion. Some snuff I hated ,I have grown to love. The great snuff makers been around for hundreds of years and the new kids on the block are doing a great job competing with giants. Now if only Sara lee made snuff. Everybody don’t like something but nobody doesn’t like Sara Lee

It’s not the front scent of it that I don’t like it’s the back scent. Oh man when that hits it’s horrible to me. Though I found a little vanilla mixed in kills the back scent, but…

I misread this as ‘onions on toast’ which sounds lovely, maybe with sliced frankfurters and mustard.

WoS No 22 is my favourite snuff. I read somewhere that it may not suitable for beginners, so I ordered a tin immediately The first pinches were appalling (tears in my eyes, the snuff went into my throat, my nose started to flow…) so the first encounter was a real bust in the nose (but I felt something wonderful in that moment as well). Two days later I filled my Posh bullet with it again (I am a stubborn guy), and realised that my strong sniffing was the problem earlier. I have to sniff it calmly, and the experience will be perfect. I tried several types of snuff so far, but none of them give me this perfect enjoyment. Now No 22 is my every day snuff, and I think I should try other toasts as well.

Almond toast is the cat’s meow.

Lime toast is the Lions roar.

W&H is the tigers growl

Natural Toast is the tortoises hiss ;-). In a good way like lol. I own a tortoise. Stefan

I’m very fond of my tin of Tranter’s #21. Very buttery and smooth; less nut/almond than #22/HDT and none of the bergamot and citrus that Wilson’s #20 has.

Thanks guys for your opinions. I’m yet to try all of the recommendations but I’m happy to take my own time on that. It seems that you all had an awful lot to say about toasts! The ones I’ve tried and enjoyed are Toque’s Natural Toast, WoS #22, Toque’s and Toast and Marmalade. I tried Toque’s Lime Toast and thought it tasted like disinfectant! The lime flavour is overpowering. Not to my liking! Sorry. On my next order from Toque will be Bourbon, Whiskey and Honey and that new one, Almond Toast. I think I’ll give F&T HDT a go. With that many mentions it can’t be bad! Thanks

Have some IDL (Irish D Light) 22 on order so may give an opinion after comparison. F&T is good for me also. Think I will have an IDL just now in fact since you mentioned it.

@heluvagi Perhaps you should let it breath if really fresh. Try again after a few minutes.

This may get rid of the “disinfectant” smell which is actually a good thing. Indicates freshness.

@Heluvagi I do really like the Wilson’s 22 and it is on my “A” list. Hard to compare as my IDL (Irish D Light) is quite nice also. IDL is a very fine grind. Be aware !

I did not like the scent of Lime Toast either but after a few seasons the scent has faded into something quite nice.

Lime Toast reminds me(somehow) of Saddle Soap. Days gone by of polishing tack at the Horse Shows.

I did not like the scent of Lime Toast either but after a few seasons the scent has faded into something quite nice.

You know, it’s funny you should say that. I just tried it again yesterday and it was much better… Now that the aroma has faded.

@Heluvagi I have a very similar experience. After reading so many positive things regarding IHD No.22 from Wilson’s I thought if I wanted to experience a toast this would be it. I find it doesn’t agree with me and I find the scent almost sickening. This applies to any toast I’ve tried. It’s odd because I love smoked foods and thought this would fit right in, but it get’s to a point where it smells like sweet burnt tires and I have to put it down. Perhaps the #20 would be more to my liking. In the end though, I’m not a fan of IHD No. 22

Almond toast is the cat’s meow.

Lime toast is the Lions roar.

W&H is the tigers growl

F.U.B.A.R Toast is the dogs bollocks.

I haven’t heard much about Wilson’s #21 and have some on order just to try it. Is it any good? I guess if it was awesome like #22 is (I loved it) or if it was horrible, I would hear more. Also have some Samuel Gawith IDL coming in and am pretty optimistic about it, lots of folks seem to like it.

I like Wilson’s 21. A little easier to take. Not quite as fine or dry. Still a very good toast in my opinion.

Are there any medium grind, med-high moisture Toasts? I just got G&H Irish D and Wilsons #22 and find them to be too dusty and dry at the moment.

@cigargod (as a true cigar lover I have to say I love your handle), These toasts definitely grow on you and you will find that as you use/try these they not only frow on you, they get much easier as well.

Are there any medium grind, med-high moisture Toasts? I just got G&H Irish D and Wilsons #22 and find them to be too dusty and dry at the moment.

I think the definition of toast is that they are fine and dry.

IHT22 is the LOLcat’s caption.

I’ll be letting everyone know next week sometime when my order gets here, I got the toast bundle and I think these are going to be right up my alley, being that I’m a big scotch fan so far. So, fine and dry is most definitely my cup of tea. Can’t wait.

Well, I said I would be posting again about toasts, and…they are what I now snuff all day long. Love them. F&T HDT and WoS IHT 22 are my main snuffs now. I use HDT for a few days and then switch to 22 for a few days. I throw in my SP’s and other favorites here and there throughout the day and night as well. But, toasts are definitely my favorite (along with scotches).

I’d be happy with toasts alone as well. I have HDT, WoS #22, Toque Natural Toast, Whisky & Honey and Bourbon all in front of me right now and I’m just going through them all in turn.

Toque Natural Toast is also fantastic. So is WoS 21 and surprisingly Toast & Marmalade (didn’t know what to think about it until I tried it). Haven’t gotten around to the WoS 20 yet, and I’m not sure about GH Irish D yet either, because I only tried it with a nose full of HDT already. But yeah, if I had to pick one style of snuff to have for the rest of my life, right now it would be toasts.

LOVE toasts. so many kinds and options. I’ve always liked toast with marmalade so why not. The GH Irish D though is absolutely one of my faves (along with F&T HDT). So enjoy the crusty dusty goodness…

Toasty goodness. no frills are my favorite just good tobacco,nuttyness

I toasted the tobacco that I’m using for the Abraxas Coffee. It won’t be a regular toast, and I won’t sell it as one, but there’s just a little smoky background flavour to it that I can detect as it’s sitting in the maturing bin. I’ve not taken a pinch yet so time will tell, if you guys hate it I won’t be doing it again:)

I can’t see me hating something you’ve made, as the Premium Fin and Dragun are fantastic. Next on the list is the Cerise.

Thanks, thats very kind.

@Abraxas I am really looking forward to trying your coffee snuff and also the Abraxas Premium Batch that I read should be back in stock some time this month. I shall be watching Mr.Snuff daily as I have no doubt that the Premium Batch will sell out as soon as it arrives - and probably the coffee too.

@chris They just put a 140g tub of Premium Fin on the site. And, I also got it with my last order. So I think they do have it.

@TopographicTales - Thanks for that. Funnily enough I was just just on Mr.Snuff and noticed that but it is the Premium Fin rather than the original. I prefer coarser grinds so it is the original that I really want to buy.

Oh gotcha, I haven’t had that one yet. PM me when you see it on there.

@Abraxas … Nigel, will you be using the same tobacco base for the coffee as Dragun, Abraxas, etal?

@Chris - the original coarse PBS will be out before Christmas - maybe late November; it’s a question of me being happy it’s matured long enough. It’s the same flavour and tobacco as the fin, just not milled as much. @snuffbrant - same tobacco as the fin - the finer ground snuffs mature much quicker which is why I can make some now and get it out in December, although it should carry on getting better and better if I have done my job right. Thanks for the interest guys!

@Abraxas - Thanks for the update on the PBS. As I mentioned above I do seem to be gravitating towards coarser grinds as my “go to” snuffs. I have been tempted to grab some of the Fin but having read that the original would be back soon I have managed to resist that temptation - just!

I got a question about toasts that I’ve been wondering. Does anyone know which of these was the first high toast? My guess would be the F&T or WoS 22, but what do I know.

Neither. Both are copies of a style that was popular in Ireland 100 years before it caught on in England. Lundyfoot, Blackguard, Lambson’s Cork I think are names that come to mind when I think of the first toast.

Ah, gotcha. I guess what I really want to know then, is the oldest that is still available? Or are any of those?

Never mind, I just looked those up and found out for myself.

funny, as a new snuff taker I was crazy for IHT. I’ve all but lost my taste for toasts and find American Scotches more interesting.

My first try of American Scotches to was a bit ‘sketchy’ but as I’ve developed my nose, I like it more and more. Still like the toasts though. The thing is that there are just so many fairly subtle nuances that it just , well is something to just sit back and ponder a bit…

My first toast was WoS IHT No.22, which I then followed up with No.20 after reading a good review at SnuffStore. No20 is easier to get used to for sure, as - has been said already here - it’s only lightly toasted, and is an SP, so it’s one of those “tastes a bit like chicken” moments. Initially with No.22 it was a bit like having a noseful of the smell of my gardening coat when I’ve had a bonfire, but I decided it was worth persevering with (as I like that smell anyway and you don’t have to set fire to things), and now I enjoy it in the evening when I want to feel mellow and chap-like; I get the idea that I’m in a creaky leather armchair in a Gentleman’s club, enjoying the peace and quiet, perhaps a whisky and the Times to hand, the gentle crackle of the open fire in the background, and the occasional gentle murmured “I say - isn’t that Carruthers just come in? Must be back from India…” It’s amazing what snuff can do. I say, did I ever tell you about the time back in Rangoon, when…