Decided to research nicotine. Instead of my going into it: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm If you have any problems understanding the above bibliography you need more nicotine.

I understand they are talking about smoking.

Nicotine is Fine. Submit this to your life insurance company and try to get the rates reversed for non nicotine users; to pay double The surgeon generals report on pipe smokers states, pipe smokers live longer than nonsmokers. http://www.forces.org/evidence/colby/b-chap7.htm

One benefit of nicotine is alzheimers prevention. after posting saw article about dramatic increase over past ten years of alzheimers death. It also appears to prevent some forms of autism and article today says 1 kid in 50 born with alzheimers. Companies follow the governments lead. The government is hardly a source of truth. Smoking is what the government is against. according to studes as Basement-shaman pointed pipes are fine and as per snuff the Poschl study appears to clear it of wrong doing. The greatest cause of death in the Western world is birth The greatest in the Eastern is rebirth. Hence china modernizing adopted the Western model

one study doesn’t prove anything. The thing is there are more and more studies that are stating that nicotine is fine cigarettes bad. Don’t worry in a little time this will become as common and accepted as the two glasses of wine being good for you and moderate alcohol intake being good for you. Sure there will be some fanatics but the medical community will see acceptance of our fine leaf when not treated like dirt and made into a processed tobacco product like cigarettes.

Of course even if the medical community sees the light, the government may “decide not to” acknowledge the truth. Look at er, umm, another herb w/ theraputic(sp) value… apologies if too political…

Oregon has a bill on the table proposing that a doctors prescription for cigarettes be mandated otherwise smoking will be illegal. @Mr_O how is that for seeing the light?

That’s scary! That’s the opposite of seeing the light IMO. I say “see the light” as in I’m hoping they realize the potential in some things, not to be intolerant about others. That’s what you’re saying, right? It’s always been my position to never criminalize an herb, that’d be like trying to get rid of a wild animal IMO. I don’t want to ban more things because they’re potentially harmful, I want to liberate some things because they aren’t as dangerous as some things which are legal and have been long accepted in our culture. Again, sorry if too political. I couldn’t really respond without going there…

I suppose your point may be that they just don’t seem likely to see the light any time soon…

@Juxtaposer Well, it looks like Oregon is on the trail of creating another Black Market product. That’s what will inevitably happen.

In Canada the insane tobacco tax has already made cigarettes a black market item. Most smokers I know smoke illegally obtained Native cigs from the reserves because smoking premium cigarettes was costing more than it costs to feed their families.

Now how real is this Bill? Like how likeily to actualy go through?

@asieg As one who has Asperger Syndrome–or what now is referred to as high functioning autism–I can say that Alzheimer’s and autism are two completely different things. Though I do find nicotine helpful myself, most of the autistic don’t seem to want any part of the stuff. I’m not sure if that is due to politically correct attitudes towards tobacco, or if this is the case because it doesn’t help most autistic types.

I’m on the autism spectrum, too, and pipes and snuff help me quite a bit, mostly with being able to (somewhat) organize my thoughts and carry out complicated tasks.

@Dunnyveg @Mouse every body is different. I have aspergers, I started smokeing and later snuffing when I was under excessive stress. Lots of aspies have big time stress I would hazard to guess.

Yeah, stress seems to go with the territory. Over the years I’ve found ways to cope with it if I couldn’t avoid it. Now if I can get a handle on perseverating on tobacco, snuff, and pipes…oh, never mind, I’d just fix on something else, lol.

Juxtaposer - they were talking about NICOTINE. As I’m sure you’re aware nicotine is not just found in cigarettes. An analogy may be that your comment would be akin to singling out vitamin C benefits derived from oranges as opposed to those of Kiwi fruit. Of course kiwi and orange have different bioflavinoids, but that would not be a valid point. Bob- to the best of my knowledge this bibliography was based on multiple studies. As is my comment on an increase in Alzheimer’s death in the United States where smoking is dramatically reduced. But because of this decrease in cigarettes a clearer study of nicotine is possible as there are large groups using the patch of nicorette gum thus reducing skewed results from the 3999 chemicals other than nicotine found in Cigs. But, in fact, no number of studies are of value if it is a politically hot topic.

Nicotine is one of the only substances known to man that reduces stress while increasing alertness. Very rare combination. It also stimulates areas of the brain that are deficient in autism and related disorders. My opinion is that nicotine has the potential to be a wonder drug, but it seems like big Pharma doesn’t want anything to do with it.

Interestingily studies don’t indicate that nicotine prevents alzhimers but instead mitigate it’s effects. Which is actualy more interesting because if you get someone to start using nicotine even after the onset it will still help.

same with Parkinson’s, decreases tremors and increases acuity. A friend of mine with the disease was told by his doctor to take up smoking.

Big pharma won’t touch it because they can’t patent it and the potential for lawsuits based on the cigarette precedents makes it too hot a potato. Michael J. Fox the actor is a heavy smoker and has Parkinson’s for years yet he seems to be in far better shape than most sufferers. The bibliography I quoted failed to mentions it’s thermogenic affects and its ability to dramatically increase blood clotting. How many people in bad accidents might have made it to the hospital due to decreased blood loss? I have long felt many of the deaths blamed on cigarettes may more properly be placed on the placebo affect of being told multiple time a day plus every time you look at a pack that it could kill you. Anti smoking org. and big government being the contemporary shaman or witch doctor killing by suggestion. An old friend who didn’t smoke used to very occasionally caution me about smoking killing me. One day I turned to him and asked, “And what do you think I should die of”. His stunned expression was worth the occasional caution.

@asieg33 Now it’s my understanding that YOU are talking about smoking. In comparing oranges and kiwis for vitamin C I would choose kiwi as oranges can be hypo allergenic. Much can be said in the comparison of cigarettes and snuff as well. These responses are simply directed towards the initial post… “If you have any problems understanding the above bibliography you need more nicotine.” As I don’t need more nicotine AND I do not smoke. AND I am some kind of smart ass. Thank you for your understanding.

Love smartasses and never take offense. this post is about nicotine and any thing pertaining to cigarettes is incidental I gave up smoking 5 years ago and just got really serious about snuff. this is the finest forum i’ve been on. You and the rest are both polite and knowledgeable. The research on nicotine and its health benefits is growing rapidly because of the number of people on patches and gum. But the affects (positive) of nicotine have been well known. But the science community, ever eager for grant money, is now hopping aboard the wagon. PS in posting I implied no connection between asperpers and alsheimer’s. Hard typing when twitching and by the time your hands are back in control you forget what you were going to say (and for you literalists I am kidding).

cigarette smoking was increasing cancer rates and killing people and decreasing lung capacity before anyone was saying it’s bad for you. It’s not placebo it’s a punishment for disrespecting a wonderfull plant by processing it so heavily.

I always say tobacco isn’t killing people its what the Big Tobacco companies do to the tobacco in their cigarettes that’s killing people.

I knew a research who is well respected. His statement was cigarettes will kill you, chewing might kill you. The way he emphasized might indicated not likeily but also not risk free. He also said the worst thing about snuff is it is addictive.

My friend was talking with a doc he knows, who said that the people who are getting lung cancer from the cigs are getting it from the additives. But I think he concluded that you still could get some of the other problems from it, probably the COPD… Still thinking of giving up the cigs here, maybe just a couple on occasion…it’d be easier once I can fully resolve some of my oral and nasal issues though…

it can’t be the additives, because in countries that don’t let the same types of additives people get the lung cancer in the same relative percentages. Though some of the other cancer associated with cigs seem most likeily to be from additives.

It’s the filters. Heh…

You might think that but… Filters pretty much only work at effecting the draw. Interestingily on medical facts shisha which is vaporized tobacco filtered through water has almost the same rate of lung cancer for users as cigarettes do. The thing is Shisha “smoking” doesn’t seem to contribute to other smoking related diseases like copd and cardiac and vascular issues. I guess there is something in tobacco that doesn’t belong in lungs. Though interestingily most people who smoke shisha exclusivily get a lot more nicotine and other chemicals. Which seems to me to indicate that other components of cigarette smoking are carcinogenic to the lungs.

Hadn’t heard that. So using it in a vaporizer would still be bad? Probably no studies on that yet…

Isn’t it about those nitrosamines which are in the tobacco anyway and which get released when heated? I tried to toast some organic, no-aditives finecut tobacco recently and the vapors that arose gave me a headache and a real unpleasant scratch in my throat, so it’s probably not healthy. The result btw. was pretty interesting: perfect consistency after grinding, extremely pleasant to use but hardly any taste at all. Back to the drawing board.

Hadn’t heard that. So using it in a vaporizer would still be bad? Probably no studies on that yet…

not known.

Of course, how many people do that, but thought it’d be good to ask anyways… someone wrote an article about vaporizers back in the late 80’s/ early 90’s when (I’m pretty sure) it was new technology, venturing that maybe cigarette addicts might have a new safe alternative to smoking. Suppose the ecigs may have pretty much killed the demand for that…

Nicotine is not only fine, its super fine!