To start off I’d like to say out of all the non tobacco snuffs you will ever try kanna has the most amazing and noticeable effects a snuff can give you (and still be legal);). Kanna is an herb from South africa that has been used for quite a long time by the indigenous peoples. I had started researching it months ago before I had even discovered how great snuff is. Apon finding the website nicotinerush and ordering a couple energy snuffs I asked the guy who runs the show Tom, if he had any clues about kanna snuff. After a bit he came back with hmm not a clue sounds like something I’d like to learn more about. roughly a hour or so later he again emails me saying " just talked to the supplyer in SA it’ll be here in a few months. So with the fun new laws that make it almost impossible to ship tobacco in America he made a new site just for kanna and the like Kannasnuff.com the effects of kanna are rediculous it is a snuff but can also be eaten drank in tea all sorts of stuff. When takeing just a little ( an ok size pinch) it seems to kinda act as an anti depresant and just take an edge off of things and make you happy and talkative. The more you use the more it intensifies and changes a bit more and things get vivid and again talkative and happy, and more after that causes an amazing burst of energy that lasts a while and a half. Recently I tried a bit more then that and all I can say is whoooo hoooo!! Another thing about it is it seems to take a little less the more you use it. Now there is I think a whole 2 drawbacks you shouldn’t use it with anti-depresant type meds and the taste isn’t amazing but really it’s not that bad well worth the buzz and dosnt matter if you snuff it. If you search the web for kanna you will most likely find kanna snuff for any were from about 15-25 a g. Tom being the amazing guy he is managed to get hands down the best prices on the web from the us to england I got a 10g( 10 goes a very long way) for roughly 15 bucks. All in all kanna is amazing and deffinetly something to try at least once. And if you want legit prices and to do your shopping with in my opinion an awesome dude kannasnuff.com is were it’s at!
If I put this Kanna in my beer every day, could I go back to living a normal life, you know, even keeled, contributing to society again?
…would it make me change my user name?
It just may it mellows me right out lol
Well, I don’t want to dampen one’s business pursuits, but these things just don’t look appealing to me. I looked each thing up and… just doesn’t sound good to me. And only once did it mention something being used as a snuff. But maybe it does rock someones boat. Interesting at least, everyone seems to be looking for the best legal experience.
Gives you energy AND mellows you out? Sounds shady to me. Is there anything it doesn’t do?
smoke some cannabis + take some tobacco snuff mellows me out man
i think i will try .
My problem with snuffing while high/drunk is that 90% of the pinch ends up everywhere but in my nose.
I would also like to try it, seeing that it’s from Africa. It’s grown in South Africa, about 700km from where I live. Maybe, maybe not. I’m still thinking about it!
Definatly sounds interesting to me. Though the cacti sound really interesting.
Probably legality, like you can only sell water pipes if they are sold for tobacco use only.
So, a ‘bong’ is for tobacco??? And all these years I thought… tom502 is correct. Legal to purchase, and legal to posses.
Sceletium.org - check it out
I should try this.
they say it’s not for human consumption because some 15-year-old is going to steal his mom’s credit card, get some kanna, and eat as much as he can and die or something crazy like that.
I don’t know anything about this product, but it sounds a lot like Kava …and Kava is a wonderful root to consume. There are Kava bars all over Hawaii. I buy mine from there. I can’t remember if Toms selling that too?
excately. I know some of the things on the site are legaL to ingest. Though if some stupid person eats too much of almost anything it may coincide with their stupidity in a tragic way. Like the people that fall out of buildings after eating mushrooms. No one reports when they just fall out of buildings on their own.
As a recovered alcoholic who’s worked with drunks for 25 yrs, I am always amazed and amused when folks get exercised over things like this or pot or kava or even tobacco or whatever. Talk to any emergency room Doc and see what he thinks is the most destructive drug (legal and the most widely used). Or families or friends or employers or drunks themselves. Until they re-introduce prohibition, I’m not willing to listen to any pontification on the part of the authorities about this or any other “drug” the people might care to ingest. Tom is just “cya” because we have such a puritanical and litigious society, is my guess.
No problem with that. I wasn’t getting on a soap box about alcohol per se but just trying to illuminate the question on the legality or not of mild stimulants and the general attitude to them in the society as a whole.
@wildwilliam, as another recovered alcoholic, I have to agree with you. It seems as some of us are more prone to addiction than others. I know that I am. Another thing which I’ve pick up about Kanna is that there are clear warnings for people who use blood pressure medication and/or anti-depressants to stay away from it. I’m not preaching against alcohol or Kanna. All I’m saying is that some of us should be careful. Check out Sceletium.org
Pieter, thanks for the link. Is certainly sounds like an intriguing product. Very interesting to read about its use by the medical community. I wonder how long before Big Pharma manages to get it banned.
I’m probably going to drop a few notes on some of that stuff myself. That and since it comes from Tom, I am sold there already. I definitely agree with wildwilliam on the poison thing, I do enjoy a few glasses of Cutty Sark, and the occasional stout myself, but I have seen more than enough family members slowly poision themselves to death than to do it regularly. They go out of their way to keep you from smoking the wonder weed, but push alcohol like it is a necessary compnent to a happy life. Grrr. LOL a Bakdoor "A “bong is for tobacco? all these years I thought…” Apparently I was confused on that issue too. Really excited to try this Kanna…sounds like it will be an interesting experience if nothing else…not that I have the slightest intent of consuming it in any way. I am purely an ethnobotanical researcher.
Kanna verifiable reduce the craving for nicotine and withdrawal symptoms considerably… its somehow tobacco related.
Well if someone gets this, please report your research conclusions.
Reminds me of an old joke I used to tell. When people would ask me if I ever experiemented with drugs. I would answer that “when I was younger I used to experiement with drugs, but that recently the cost of lab monkeys has gone through the roof”.
I have officially been using Toms Kanna (sceletium tortuosum) for 2 days now. I do not understand why people would use this as an attempt to get “high”. I bought this in an attempt to hopefully replace some of my anxiety meds, and so far so good. IMO this is a fast acting SSRi which of course would make you feel happy and talkative…that’s what SSRI are supposed to do. I have not experienced anything the OP claims. But I have gotten the medicinal qualities I was seeking. Edited- ANYTHING I SAY HERE IS MY OPINION
How are you taking it, Iggy? As snuff,or tea or…?
@Xander- snuff so far and boy does it tastes horrible! Maybe I should give the tea method a go. I’m thinking I need to buy some empty gel caps.
Working on it. Sorry. Tom
We are back. Thank you for your patience. Tom
@iggy - Your opinion is it’s a fast acting ssri?!?! Are you a doctor? Be careful what you say because it could have a huge impact on anothers life. Someone could stop their medications thinking this kanna would server as a substitute and end up in dire concequences. I’ve been taking medications of that nature for many years and have explored the alternatives. Even if it was an ssri as you claim the concentrations from leaf to leaf and plant to plant vary so much that theraputically it’s is unreliable. People if you are on an ssri do not take this product without first talking to your doctor.
rdunnion said: “People if you are on an ssri do not take this product without first talking to your doctor.” I most certainly agree. SSRI contraindications: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor#Contraindications_and_drug_interactionMAOIs’ interactions are even more infamous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor#InteractionsHonestly, I really wonder about this thread. It’s not about tobacco. What’s next – speed discussion?
Although not tobacco, Kanna is used as a ‘snuff’ quite frequently. Many non tobacco snuffs are discussed here. Tom
SHIPPED! Thanks!
Post edited for clarity.
sceletium tortuosum (Kanna, Kougoed) Sceletium tortuosum is a succulent ground cover with fleshy leaves and a bright green color and it is at home in the dry, arid regions of Southern Africa. The San Bushmen have used this plant for centuries as a powerful mood enhancer that gives a sense of calmness and happiness as well as reducing cravings (drug addiction) and withdrawal symptoms. Depression and anxiety are eased considerably, and no adverse effects like drowsiness or impaired reactions have been reported. A group of alkaloids, especially mesembrine, are the active ingredients in Sceletium tortuosum. As scientific research continues, Sceletium tortuosum could become the herbal alternative for the treatment of depression, anxiety disorders and addiction. It can be used in many different forms. Originally it was chewed and/or smoked, today it is available as capsules and tincture (drops) for easier use. Do not take with SSRIs This was taken from a South African site
If folks take posts on sites such as this as solid medical advice and stop their medically prescribed meds, they have bigger problems than mood disorders. We are allowed to state our opinions. And those who read them should remember that they are opinions, not gospel. Of course people need to be careful and soberly reflective about what they put into their bodies. At the same time, talking about one’s experiences with snuffs of any kind is what this site is about, no? If it were restricted to conversation about tobacco only, that should and would be stated, I would think. Live and let live.
We discuss many non-tobacco snuffs.
_“We discuss many non-tobacco snuffs.”_We do? Okay then.
Yes, all the big snuff makers, make a variety of non-tobacco snuffs.
_“Yes, all the big snuff makers, make a variety of non-tobacco snuffs.”_Ah, It looks that way. It could be since I don’t have any personal intrest in them, I haven’t “noticed” posts about them when perusing the forum. Carry on!
My apologies to the group. I didn’t mean to come off as a jerk or anything. It’s just issues like this really hit home with me. I know from experience that the urge to self medicate is strong with many mood disorders. Personally I did not find some stability until I stopped fighting those who were trying to help me, i.e. the doctors prescribing medications. TBH IMHO Kanna has been around for a long time and if it had significant theraputic value people would know about it, like St. Johns Wort. This is a recreational snuff not a cureall. I’m having these visions of snake-oil shows and it’s driving me batty. Thats my 6 cents.
Yeah rdunnion I see where you’re coming from although I disagree and agree with you. For one thing don’t forget that people actualy forgot about how to prevent scurvy although they had been practicing the right practices to prevent it. I say whatever is working for you cause it’s gonna be diffrent for diffrent people. Just saying there are lots of things that people forget or don’t know about medicaly. Though seriously if anyone takes medical advice here with out doing more research then well… Now back to the activity at hand waking up.
@rdunnion- if you do some digging around under Kanna’s scientific name, you will find it on Amazon, Ebay, it’s been on news, etc. Just because the US hasn’t got it’s mitts on it yet doesn’t mean it’s garbage, that happens afterwards.
I received 20 g Kanna from Tom after 10 days here in germany. The quality of the Kanna is simply superb, i have got Kanna powder from a german retailer before, but the quality from Tom is so MUCH MUCH better… Thanks a lot Tom
Thanks! The Kanna comes DIRECTLY from the farm where it’s produced. No middlemen. No sitting around in a warehouse. You can’t get it any fresher unless you live on the farm where it’s produced. No chemicals. No fertilizers. All natural. Tom
Well, seems I have a different metabolism or something. I got some kanna several days ago and was so on my guard from all that’s been said here that I started out with a tiny, tiny pinch. Nothing. Bigger pinch, nothing. Really big pinch, nothing. HUGE pinch, nothing. Gob under the tongue, nothing. Swallow another gob, nothing. Gave up. No effect of any kind whatsoever. Guess we’re all just built different, eh?
Yes we are either that or tommorow You will realize that the moth men aren’t your new neighbors. Either or I guess.
I use the Kanna from my local retailer under the tongue, the taste is just floral, not bitter, and its not so fine milled. This is also good for smoking. Tom s Kanna is very fine milled and perfect for the nose, thats the way i use it at the moment.
Going on a month now using Tom’s Kanna. I love it and will never go back to RX antidepressants. EVER! A 0 gel cap daily and I’m finally at peace. I feel more clear headed and not so “whatever”, less anxiety and more in tune with myself. Great stuff or is that snuff.
Hmmm, I am curious, yet aprehensive.
Here one can read of experiences with Kanna: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp\\_Sceletium\\_tortuosum.shtml
gotta love erowid. Well you got love anything that reminds you not to eat jimson weed.
Hopefully this helps Provided merely as rough guidelines, so if you use this information then you do so entirely at your own risk ! There are a number of different succulents that are described as ‘kanna’, with the most common type being Sceletium tortuosum. Most of these originate in or around South Africa, though they are now grown in many countries. The plant material is high in oxalic acid, which is an irritant, so it is fermented before drying to break this down. When dried, it can be stored for long periods under optimal conditions. Kanna’s main active component is the alkaloid mesembrine. This displays SSRI or SNRI like qualities, but its true pharmacological properties have not been determined fully, as of yet. Kanna is normally supplied in the following forms: - Whole plant material, all parts of the plant can be used, including the roots, though these are less common as they are more difficult to harvest without killing the plant. The stems and roots contain the highest mesembrine levels, the leaves are not so strong, though the difference in strength is not large. This material is usally chewed or smoked. - Shredded plant material. This is most suited to smoking, but can also be chewed. - Powdered plant material. This is the most common form, and is less suitable for smoking, but can be swallowed and insufflated easily. It can be used sublingually too, but the coarser material is more convenient for this purpose. - Extracts - don’t waste your money, you don’t need extracts of a plant that is active at 50mg! In my experience most extracts are rubbish anyhow! Grading and quality: I don’t really understand how kanna is graded, but it’s best to seek pharma-grade if possible, it’s always been best for me. The quality of kanna does vary quite a bit from one supplier to the next, my advice is don’t buy super-cheap kanna, as found on eBay, it’s usually cheap for a good reason! While kanna may look expensive per weight, remember that a little goes a long way, 1g will probably last most regular kanna users for a week or so. Kanna is normally taken via the following methods: - Insufflated as powder, 30-80mg. This is probably the most effective method, but is not recommended by me, as insufflating raw organic material carries many risks, including the risk of infection, allergic reaction, or just plain pain and congestion! - Sublingually, 50-100mg. The kanna is chewed and held in the cheeks or under the tongue, allowing its mesembrine to be absorbed via the mucous membranes of the mouth. - Smoked, 50-100mg. Kanna can be smoked on its own or mixed with other herbs. As with all smoking, there are health risks. - Vaporisation? If anyone has vaporised kanna then please let us know about it, I have not heard any reports of this to date, but it would be healthier than smoking it, if it works. - Orally, by digestion, 500mg - 2g. Kanna does not fare well in the digestive tract and a far higher dose is required than via other methods. This can cause nausea for some, and works out quite expensive. Kanna can have the following effects: - Relaxes - it can act as a relaxant and is often used for this purpose. - Anti-depressant - it acts as an antidepressant, in a similar way to SSRIs or SNRIs, but seems to have a lot less side effects than pharmaceutical drugs. - Stimulant - while it relaxes, some people report that it tends to keep them awake. - Empathogen - Most people report that it makes them more empathic and understanding of others, and it is good in social situations. - Helps vision - many people report that they find it easier to focus on near-field objects, this is an unusual quality for a plant to have! Kanna is NOT: Intense - kanna’s properties are obvious, but not intense. Clouding - kanna does not cause confusion or inebriation at normal doses Psychedelic - kanna does not cause hallucinations, visions, or warped thinking! Addictive - kanna does not appear to be addictive in itself, but some individuals are capable of becoming psychologically addicted to just about anything. Duration: Kanna initially provides quite a nice lift, which lasts for maybe 30 minutes or so for most people, and then a much longer period of relaxation, which can last for 6-8 hours. Overdose - I have no idea what an overdose level is, and I think that kanna can be regarded as safe in this respect, but if you go much beyond the guideline that I mention above, you may find that it will make you feel tense, anxious and uncomfortable. Tolerance/sensitivMost people begin as insensitive to kanna, they will notice LITTLE OR NO EFFECT at first, and then over a period of 1 to 2 weeks of use they will become sensitised to it and notice its effects. It is important not to overdo it during the period of insensitivity, as the negative side effects that I mentioned in the previous paragraph will still occur if too much is taken. Many people quickly come to the conclusion that kanna is not for them because they either feel nothing at first, or they overdo it in their rush to experience it and end up feeling unpleasant. The secret is to take it slowly and be patient, it does work, just give it some time! Interactions: Kanna potentiates many other herbs, and should be mixed with caution initially, until you work out how it combines with the herbs that you have chosen. It does not potentiate the aroma of kratom, in my experience, though I have heard others state differently. It is wonderful with Damiana, for example, and magical with many herbs that are traditionally smoked. DON’T: Combine kanna with the use of any MAOIs. Don’t combine it with pharmaceutical SSRIs or SNRIs. If you are in any doubt, ask a doctor, kanna is legal everywhere, so there should be no problem doing this. The usual caveats about pregnancy, breast-feeding etc. should be observed.
good info there. kanna and uzara are actually the reasons i joined this site, to get anymore info on uzara mostly. i am new to both and although i have found plenty of info about dosages and experiences on kanna i have not found anything at all about experiences and dosages of uzara only info about what it has been used for, origins and other various info. since i have felt how potent kanna can be when insufflated at what i thought was even a low dose i do not want to feel any ill effects with uzara. for me kanna is quite potent, i have taken it sublingually and also insufflated it. i have lots of respect for it now, the main reason i decided to use it was a mood enhancer/ antidepressant and sure who wouldn’t like to feel a little euphoric also lol.
sounds like uzara is mostily medicinal and not lots o fun. Could be wrong though.
uzara makes me sneeze. Although it is powerful medicine when used rectally ,when used as snuff it helps with the pineal gland production of essential dnt for communing within the spiritual realm during sleep or deep meditation. As for Kanna I had no idea a natural herb could have such an intense burn factor.
blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“basement_shaman”>uzara makes me sneeze. Although it is powerful medicine when used rectally ,when used as snuff it helps with the pineal gland production of essential dnt for communing within the spiritual realm during sleep or deep meditation. As for Kanna I had no idea a natural herb could have such an intense burn factor. interesting
Hmm… seems that its completely legal herb in my country. But hell, it is NOT cheap for sure, 15 EUR for as little as 10 grams of fermented leaves. Anybody knows where to buy it online to EU?
But check the legality twice before ordering entheogens from that store or any other place. They ship from Holland, and in many countries customs check even letters and postards coming from that side. Find the actual (latest) your national official list of prohibited substances, such lists are regularly updated.
@volunge, thx buddy, unfortunately turns out the price is the same as on the polish website (Allegro, if it wasnt legal, auction would be definitely banned here). I figured out will just order some seeds for cheap and try grow some myself next year more fun to do so as well!
@Johano, wise move. You’ll need some patience, tho - succulents are kinda lazy ;).