I’m going to place another order at Toque in the next few days (After Payday!!) For those of you who have ordered there, I have a bunch of the 25g tins. Kind of big to carry around. Are the 10g tins worth it… just to be portable? Also… any pipe smokers… is the natural like a good pipe tobacco? What snuff can you recommend that would be like a latakia based smoke… or similar to just plain good pipe tobacco?

There are some snuffs with Latakia in them I believe, check the premium snuffs on MrSnuff.com.

I got one from Bernards that supposed to be Latakia… should be here soon!

Old Mill Olde English Toast… should be to your liking? PM @chefdaniel and pick a small tin up to try. You will not be sorry you did, but will be if you don’t. You might as well throw in a tin of Dreamcatcher while you’re at it too.

Great! Post here when you receive it and let us know how you think it compares to the Latakia in Pipe Tobacco. I haven’t read a lot about Latakia snuffs so I’d be interested to know.

I refill the 10g Toque tins because they are excellent to carry around. For latakia snuffs, check out the ones offered by De Kralingse. I particularly like AO 1860 (plain) and A/P (pine).

Being a latakia pipe smoker for 40 years and a big fan (of both Cyprian and Syrian latakia) and having commercially blended 2 balkan blends* (containing much latakia) for the McClelland tobacco company in the U.S., I feel qualified to comment here. When it comes to latakia in snuff I have been mostly disappointed and I think I have tried almost all of them. I do like the Old Mill latakia snuffs more than any of the others but, to my taste, latakia does not work as well in the nose in the form of snuff as it does in pipe tobacco. Rather sad actually. [*Wilderness and Legends]

Several slices of Black Irish Twist.

I refill the 10g Toque tins because they are excellent to carry around. For latakia snuffs, check out the ones offered by De Kralingse. I particularly like AO 1860 (plain) and A/P (pine).

AO 1860, while a good snuff, contains no Latakia. For a real Latakia snuff, I, too, recommend Old Mill.

I refill the 10g Toque tins because they are excellent to carry around. For latakia snuffs, check out the ones offered by De Kralingse. I particularly like AO 1860 (plain) and A/P (pine).

AO 1860, while a good snuff, contains no Latakia. For a real Latakia snuff, I, too, recommend Old Mill.

Really? The label even says “Latakia AO”. It’s been awhile since I’ve had it but I certainly recall the smokiness. Whether or not that comes from latakia I don’t know.

I believe AO 1860 is designed to have a Latakia scent, and while it’s the only Latakia type I’ve tried, I love it. I pinched some before going onto the workfloor the other day, and my boss stood there sniffing the air, and said “is something on fire?” :))

Thanks @HR_pufnsnuff and @mecompco. I assumed it was latakia because of the label.

I believe AO 1860 is designed to have a Latakia scent, and while it’s the only Latakia type I’ve tried, I love it. I pinched some before going onto the workfloor the other day, and my boss stood there sniffing the air, and said “is something on fire?” :))

Tobacco blenders have access to a latakia spray, in a bottle that contains a solution dominated by latakia scent. I was told this by a very well known and highly respected pipe tobacco blender who also told me that the spray is most often used as a topping for some pipe tobaccos so that the latakia claim can be made as a content. I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT ANYONE IN THE SNUFF WORLD DOES THIS! But I thought I would mention that it is a common practice among pipe tobacco blenders who make low quality blends.

To comment on the Toque natural, I’m not a smoker but I love this snuff, always have some with me.

I refill the 10g Toque tins because they are excellent to carry around. For latakia snuffs, check out the ones offered by De Kralingse. I particularly like AO 1860 (plain) and A/P (pine).

This has been my all time favorite daily snuff for a couple months, absolutely the best!!! I got 200 grams stocked up right now. I have a few of their flavors in my fridge and they are all good, the next one I like a lot is the chocomint… As far as the topic goes, toque is pretty dry, not real heavy scents, I can’t see there being much of a difference. Other than the big tins are just a little cheaper in the long run. I have one small size that I got and used to refill and carry around. Lately it just sits on the table.

I refill the 10g Toque tins because they are excellent to carry around. For latakia snuffs, check out the ones offered by De Kralingse. I particularly like AO 1860 (plain) and A/P (pine).

AO 1860, while a good snuff, contains no Latakia. For a real Latakia snuff, I, too, recommend Old Mill.

Really? The label even says “Latakia AO”. It’s been awhile since I’ve had it but I certainly recall the smokiness. Whether or not that comes from latakia I don’t know.

I’ll can see if I can find the thread, but according to the maker’s post, there is NO Lat in AO 1860. I like it, and find it similar to Bernard’s Virginie, so it is what it is. If you’ve smoked a Lat heavy pipe tobacco (Pirate Kake, for instance), the taste is completely different.

For the record, I use the 1997 crop year Latakia available from Whole Leaf Tobacco (see link). That is all I use for my Latakia snuffs. I get my whole leaf Perique from a cousin in Louisiana and use Cornell & Diehl granulated as a back up. http://wholeleaftobacco.com/Latakia-1997-Crop-year-Lat97.htm

As others have noted- the smaller tins are great for portability and can be used over and over again. Actually its sometimes for me to part with even larger tins because they are quite durable and can be used to hold quite a bit when I travel as I prefer my snuff in tins over plastic bags that I sometimes get from Toque when I order value bags. I have become fond of the silver dollar sized tap types- the ones you rotate the top around to reveal an opening. With little effort you can separate the two parts and they can be filled with a generous portion. They are handy if you like the boxcar method as you can tap a bit out and enjoy.

Why should my comments have to be approved? Jaap Bes.

I was told this by a very well known and highly respected pipe tobacco blender who also told me that the spray is most often used as a topping for some pipe tobaccos so that the latakia claim can be made as a content. I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT ANYONE IN THE SNUFF WORLD DOES THIS! But I thought I would mention that it is a common practice among pipe tobacco blenders who make low quality blends.

That surely explains a few questions I had about a few blends.

Why should my comments have to be approved? Jaap Bes.

I wouldn;t know the answer to that, Jaap, but your snuffs are certainly approved of.

It happened twice. My comment to explain how the snuff got the name Latakia Ao 1860 should be approved before it could be placed!! Jaap Bes.

@crullers coreymillia mecompco: Sorry to disapoint someone. But the Latakia Ao 1860 was never intended as a Latakia tobacco. It was the first experiment to restore the snuff production in last two snuff windmills in the Netherlands. This experiment was based on a partly recipe from 1860 which was kept in a booklet in the windmills and the vague rememberance of the son (86 years old) of the last commercial miller. The base tobacco’s ware Virginia and Kentuckey and that is what we also used. The first samples of this experiment ware presented to Professor Phillips Griffiths, who some of you may have heard of, as the first who placed a website about snuff on the internet (www.snuffbox.org.uk/). His remarks ware your snuff is a little to coarse for me and it reminds me of the Latakia from Samuel Gawith. All of this lead to a finer product with the name of Latakia Ao 1860. Jaap Bes.

To all you wonder about the name Latakia Ao 1860. You mabe disapointed as I tell you this was never designed as or to imitate the real Latakia tobacco. As I told before, it was the first experiment in the Kralingse windmills to rivive the snuff production in the Netherlands after about 50-60 years. We started from scrap which was an old recipebook from about 1860 and some knowledge of the son of the last commercial miller of the windmills. The recipebook was incomplete and the memories ware not very claer. The tobacco’s used in those historical days ware Virginia and Kentucky. So we started with these. Our experiments resulted in a snuff that we presented to Professor Phillips Griffiths, who was the first to develop a website about snuff http://www.snuffbox.org.uk/. His comment was: for me your snuff is a little to coarse and it resembles the Latakia from Samuel Gawith. So we combined these facts and decided for the name "Latakia Ao 1860. Jaap Bes. P.S. We just released a “new” historical snuff: Hollandse Snuif. This fermented Virinia tobacco is flavoured with essential oil of Cascarilla, extract of Sassafras wood, Elderberry blossom water, Honey and Wine vinegar.

@snuffmiller Sorry about that. I have no idea what happened, but your posts are now up, and I hope that whatever went wrong won’t go wrong again!

@crullers coreymillia mecompco: Sorry to disapoint someone. But the Latakia Ao 1860 was never intended as a Latakia tobacco. It was the first experiment to restore the snuff production in last two snuff windmills in the Netherlands. This experiment was based on a partly recipe from 1860 which was kept in a booklet in the windmills and the vague rememberance of the son (86 years old) of the last commercial miller. The base tobacco’s ware Virginia and Kentuckey and that is what we also used. The first samples of this experiment ware presented to Professor Phillips Griffiths, who some of you may have heard of, as the first who placed a website about snuff on the internet (www.snuffbox.org.uk/). His remarks ware your snuff is a little to coarse for me and it reminds me of the Latakia from Samuel Gawith. All of this lead to a finer product with the name of Latakia Ao 1860. Jaap Bes.

Not disappointed at all, it is an excellent snuff. Thanks for clearing that up!

@Justin: Thanks for clearing up things. With you I hope it wan’t happen again. Jaap Bes.

Cyprian Latakia is an absolute bitch to work with for snuff. It has a beastly bad bitter back drip if not handled properly. After screwing up a few pounds of expensive leaf I hit on one way to tame the beast: toasting to a fare-thee-well. Seems the bitter compounds are volatile as hell and toasting evaporates them. The toasting also caramelizes the available sugars somewhat (with thanks to Dr. Maillard). It also concentrates the smoky notes quite a bit and mills better due to the loss of the ‘stickiness’ in the raw leaf. Another thing I like to play with is the addition of unsweetened black cavendish that I make from the mid-ribs I strip from whole leaf, usually air cured burley and some fire cured. I steam the hell out of it in my buddy’s convection steamer in his restaurant until it’s black as sin. Toast it, pulverize it to an uber fine grind, and voila! Latakia tamed.