So the other day I paid the overpriced cover charge to enter a bar in Manhattan, New York City. Got my sticker to show I’m allowed into the bar and paid the cover charge and all. I had two expensive way-overpriced drinks. Having two drinks in me I guess I didn’t feel afraid to use snuff. I walked outside and took some pinches of snuff and even offered it to some smokers outside who liked it and thanked me for it. But anyway the security in the front came out to me while I was outside. Tore my sticker off my shirt, told me I need to leave right away. I was like um, why? I showed him it was just tobacco. “The owner wants you out now”. Well I said, may I ask why? What is the accusation against me? Nope, they won’t give me an answer. Anyway I ended up just apologizing and kinda making peace with the security detail. Just explained that it’s tobacco, I was not snorting cocaine, I am not a drug user or anything. But the bar owner was a complete asshole, came out and told me why the fuck are you still here, called the cops on me twice. He came out first when I was kicked out and then again when I was just apologizing and explaining to the security guard for everything, both times the owner was a complete prick, said “You need to leave” and called the cops on me each time. I had come back to apologize to the security guard but also because I had friends in the bar and wanted to ask if they could come out and talk out to me. But of course I never got to speak to them. I tried to just explain things to the asshole bar owner, clarify that I am not snorting coke or anything, but he wouldn’t stop for 30 seconds to listen to a word I said. I tapped him on the shoulder to try to get his attention and he was like “Don’t touch me!” as if I were diseased or something. Whatever, fuck him, won’t be back to that bar again. Regret paying the cover charge and paying for drinks at that damn place, they should have refunded the money I wasted there. Never been kicked out of a bar before. The first cops they called were actually kinda decent, I chatted with them and explained everything, I told them it’s tobacco, it’s a legal substance, I even sniffed some snuff in front of them. They said yeah they had no problem with it, it was just the bar owner called and wanted me out and all that. The second time I had a REAL bitch of a cop. She said the bar owner wants you away from here right now, I started walking away from the bar down the sidewalk, she said you need to start moving faster, or “do I need to put my hands on you?” I’m like WTF, no you don’t need to put your hands on me, I’m freaking moving. We were halfway down the block on the sidewalk, I said alright is this far enough, this is a public sidewalk, she said no “the bar owner wants you far away from his establishment”. Hmm, well he doesn’t own the freakin’ public sidewalk halfway down the block but whatever I kept walking. I told this cop I just wanted to speak to my friends in there. I asked if she would at least ask about my friends for me, she told me yes. Of course she never did, she never returned. So that was just an all-around nightmare night. And that was my snuff story from this weekend. Ugh.
Sounds like quite a fun evening!
Sorry to hear about your experience, I am afraid that it is a fact of life that some people are extremely stupid and also arrogant in believing that they are right and being unwilling to enter into any discussion to the contrary. Clearly a bar to be avoided.
Sorry about your crappy experience. New York City liberals want to become the capitol of the Nanny States.
Call your lawyer and get a letter sent. I would.
Your “friends” don’t appear to have been to concerned. Must have been having a great time. Are you banned from pavements and have to walk in the gutter or is it just an exclusion zone? New friends and nicer place required. Good luck. Don’t take it to personally, it’s probably the owner has to pay off the cops or mob and gets a cut from the drug dealers and you might have been interfering just by merely looking like you were taking something were they all weren’t getting a cut of the action? Maybe a drug dealer complained?
What’s the bar?
There’s always a chance when snuffing in a bar people will get the wrong idea. When I last got asked what I was up to by a barman I produced my tin of O&G and had him snuffing like a good un; him and his mate.
was at my local a few years ago and this crazy lady at the end of the bar called the cops, said we were sniffing heroin, the cop came in talked to the lady then to us, he wound up doing a few bumps. the crazy lady went ballistic. my experience was quite amusing
once at a bar the bartender claimed I was trying to pass counterfeit money and told me they where going to call cops . I said to them call the cops .cops showed up had me handcuffed outside asked me where I got the money from I told them some Japanese bloke . they didn’t believe me then Japanese bloke showed up ( I was ordering drinks for him because he couldn’t speak English ) long story short cops found out money was real and let me go . I was just trying to prove a point as I didn’t want to be known as someone who passed counterfeit money .
I would have waited for the cops to come, appraised them of the situation and then have requested that the COPS get an explaination from the owner.This sounds like something that the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) would love to sink their teeth into! Granted, they can sometimes be a pain, but they serve a definate purpose!
Next time use violence. It seems to be the only thing ignorant people undersrand.
name of bar. As I don’t want to put any money in the owners pocket.
and then we can figure out what other establishments he owns and not to say a good word about.
Also the prick deserves some bad reviews.
@bob is on the money here; bad on-line reviews can really hit businesses in the pocket. Tripadvisor is responsible for many a subtle choice of venue. Ignorant people = Fight the power. I reckon @I_snuff_therefore___ is probably right here too; smells of corruption to me. I find it particularly odd as here in the UK New York is painted and being very liberal and cosmopolitan, still I suppose that you do get hapless jokers everywhere.
If this kind of events become frequent, I suggest the affected members to start some threads of “Snuff-friendly/unfriendly” places sorted by country, for instance. Just a suggestion. So we could prevent unpleasant situations to other snuff users
i wouldnt mind some snuff unfriendly locations to target
@Firestarter0 Yes, I guess what you are thinking… I was thinking the same, but tried not to be obvious (The same information doubles as meeting points for snuff activism) \\m/
Your “friends” don’t appear to have been to concerned. Must have been having a great time. Are you banned from pavements and have to walk in the gutter or is it just an exclusion zone? New friends and nicer place required. Good luck. Don’t take it to personally, it’s probably the owner has to pay off the cops or mob and gets a cut from the drug dealers and you might have been interfering just by merely looking like you were taking something were they all weren’t getting a cut of the action? Maybe a drug dealer complained?
Yes, I am sure they were having a great time, which is what made it worse with me feeling like I was bothering them with my apparent ‘issues’. Apparently some of the bar patrons were “freaking out” about what I was doing. Apparently asking me what I was doing would have been too much for the bar owner. As I explained on numerous occasions, it was tobacco, which is still a legal substance here in New York. But as for my “friends”, well they were kinda new friends I had only recently met, and this was our first time hanging out. I never got to really speak to them, I don’t know if they understood the concept of snuff or thought I was snorting coke or something, I haven’t spoken to them since. They had no idea what snuff was before that. One of them was a smoker and I had tried to convince him to try it but he refused. Some other random people at the bar tried it and thanked me for it. But evidently this got some busybodies at the bar alerting the bar owner that there were some kinda drugs going around and the complete asshole who was the bar owner had me forcefully escorted off the property. The bitch cop forcing me to walk basically five or six city blocks down the road on a PUBLIC SIDEWALK because the bar owner didn’t want me anywhere near his business seemed ridiculous, but whatever, you can’t fight cops, she wanted to put her “hands on me”, I’m lucky I didn’t get arrested for trespassing. I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know what the law is on this issue. But whatever, now I’ve got my pocket Constitution and my ACLU membership card to carry around with me at all times. Of course citing Constitutional rights and civil liberties is just bound to piss cops off more, but at this point I hate those costumed idiots.
I have most problems in supermarkets and it’s nothing to do with snuff. Just really horrible ignorant staff and I mean it will be just one individual. The other staff will be fantastic. Currently there is a women who works in the fruit and veg section and for years she has given me an evil eye or scowl everytime I have encountered her whereas I can chat and joke with the other staff? She seems to be a psycho so I have to wonder what she is doing in a customer facing role. The looks I get from her are as if she would really love to attack me and I’m only going about doing my shopping and don’t even know this nut. Anyhow I’ve finally had enough and emailed the customer service of the company and asked their advice, so I await their response. Staff have to be careful nowadays as this is so easy to do and I suspect this woman does not realise this but she will. Also been asking some of the other staff what her problem might be and may find out something more today. I do use my bullet openly in the supermarket and no-one has a problem with it at all and I was getting these scowls from this woman long before I started snuff. Maybe she thinks I’m an old ex or something? I’m going to try to get to the bottom of this one. I know enough of the other staff to ask and maybe find out what’s what assuming the company actually do nothing in replying to me. Last time it was a security person in another supermarket who used to follow me around like a sinister comedy inspector Clueso. I emailed that company and they thanked me for informing them and said they would investigate but I told them I was going elswhere in any case so I’m not aware of the outcome but I would say they had to get rid of this guy as he was so offputting to customers and now I’ve got the Fruit and Veg nut. Maybe she is related to this comedy security guy? They would make a lovely couple and be great in a shop of horrors!
@DivinusSalviarum you’ve failed to mention name of said bar. Pay it forward…
What gets me is that the cop made you go five blocks away, to ban someone from your property is one thing but to say your not allowed within so many feet of someone’s property requires a court order signed by a judge. When she told you to go five blocks away you should have demanded to see the court order sighed by a judge that states your not allowed near that establishment, it would have had the same effect as demanding to see a search warrant when a police officer tries to enter your house.
What gets me is that the cop made you go five blocks away, to ban someone from your property is one thing but to say your not allowed within so many feet of someone’s property requires a court order signed by a judge. When she told you to go five blocks away you should have demanded to see the court order sighed by a judge that states your not allowed near that establishment, it would have had the same effect as demanding to see a search warrant when a police officer tries to enter your house.
Yeah the problem is, trying to cite constitutional rights and civil liberties only pisses cops off more. They don’t care what the law is. They are on a power trip. After we were already halfway down the block away from his bar, I told her isn’t this far enough “this is a public sidewalk, isn’t it?” and her response was only “He wants you far away from his establishment” and I could tell I had pissed her off by challenging her in even the slightest. I’m just lucky I didn’t end up getting arrested that night. NEVER use snuff in public, because people are stupid.
That sucks, sounds like the owner has the cops in his pocket.
Move to Detroit. It looks nice.
@DivinusSalviarum actually I believe @n9inchnails is right. You as well, the majority of officers enjoy the power and adrenaline rushes that come with their work. I have known many personally, some in the extended family; very abusive to those they “love?” and prideful, egomaniacs with low self-esteem. But, you were not doing anything illegal. No drugs, you never re-entered the establishment to make trespassing an option, therefore there is no viable reason for the officer or the owner to have had you arrested for anything. In fact, I myself have been in situations similar, and a bit stating the obvious, but most truly do lie, threaten, and literally make up laws as they go along to find a window to have you in metal bracelets. but at the end of the day if they force a search you do not consent to, or forcibly remove you from a situation you have a god-given right to be in, the fault is on them and with the help of a lawyer, even a decent public “pretender,'” those cases are very easily dismissed entirely. In your situation, the worst that could have happened was a courts order not to be within so far of the establishment. There is no punishment however for refusing to do as in officer says, if they have no probable cause… The easiest way to show they don’t is to not break the law, and turn on the video of your phone and start a filmin’ when they show up! B-) As that in any public space, is also our right. An informed citizen, truly does scare the piggies that are treating others unjustly… or at least makes them cautious. Them being pissed is to persuade whomever not to challenge their authority, in the place of doing nothing wrong, it’s our obligation to show them at the end of the day they are only a servant of the law, and not above it… Oh, and I too would like to know the name of this bar… A negative review seems in order. I hope any future encounters you get to meet one of those rare officers that are kind, though. Had one that used to bring me blankets and McDonalds when sleeping in a car in the winter! He was the only nice out of the many…
I find it interesting since a retired cop makes some of the best snuff their is.
I find it interesting since a retired cop makes some of the best snuff their is.
Who’s a retired cop?? Trespassing is a violation and you can’t be arrested for it only fined. If you get multiple violations in a certain amount of time you can go to jail though. Next time tell them they smell like bacon Ps. Trespassing at night around ( 12 am - 3 am ) can get you arrested first time if you don’t have a reason. ( mostly ) How do I know this? I’ve had problems with people next door to my clinic who constantly try to use my parking lot after hours. Playing basketball, fireworks etc… But every time I call the cops even if they are there at night and it’s a medical facility they are useless in ny. After confronting them and calling the cops twice, getting footage on 3 separate occasions they continue to remain not jailed. Cops are all talk but don’t want to do the paperwork around here, I’d be better off standing in my lot with a 45…
I would definilty expose an establishment like this. If you really feel they abused your rights. But on the other hand. You also mentioned that these were new friends and had no clue what snuff is. Now, I’m not judging you or your friends. But who knows how they reacted once you were asked to leave? Maybe they pretented they didn’t know you? Or they might of said I don’t know. Instead of no. When asked if your using. Honestly, what kind of friends are these guys that don’t walk out with a friend that’s kicked out? I know , if anyone I care for is mis treated I’m out of there. Did they get in touch with you afterwards? And I don’t know if your from NYC or not. You did the right thing and kept moving. Cops can lose them self’s sometimes and cuff people. Then when they calm down and can’t remember why. They put it down as disorderly conduct or intoxicated in public area etc… The best thing is never to get involved with them. But on the other hand. If you really feel your rights were violated I would call a lawyer and ask questions. But that us only if “your friends” will cooperate . I think.
This weekend I was at a friends for a party. We were sitting around a fire and the one guy happened to mention that he was a DEA agent. Later when several of the men lit cigars I reached for my snuff, as I turned my head to get to the other nostril I looked across the fire and he was watching me, nothing was said. I waited the rest of the night for his backup to show up He was actually a nice guy and didn’t make a big deal about what he did for a living.
Life seems grand in the “Home of the brave and the land of the free”. I live in a military dictatorship but my friends and I never have these sorts of problem.
If I may offer a take from my perspective- While the bar owners reaction seems over the top, he may have suffered issues with drugs on the premises in the past and simply wanted you gone as quickly as possible. Issue in some jurisdictions is that drugs on the premises can result in a bar loosing its license. In no way does this justify the proprietor or their staff being rude or insulting, but if you take their perspective and what they may have had to deal with in the past- maybe it can be understood. In most cases a business owner can eject whomever they want and provided it is not based on protected factors (sex, age, race, etc) there is really no recourse other than to take our wallets walking. As for the response from the police- it is difficult to know why the first officer responded how they did and the second as they did. In most cases the police can tell you to move along, but there are certainly limits to what is reasonable. In this case you were ejected from the premises and from how I read your post, the second officer was considerably more aggressive in making you leave. Is a cop making you keep walking a civil rights violation? Since I am not a lawyer I cant say with certainty, though I would consider the possibility of being picked up for disorderly conduct, refusing the police or the like. My position on using snuff in public is that given how its taken one must be prepared to be questioned. Its unfortunate that some folks will go way over the top and refuse to accept our explanation as to what it is. Is it right that one should be ejected or accused of doing something nefarious? Absolutely not, but it can and does happen.
There is nothing wrong with getting the cops to do what you want them too. If you are not getting thrown out of bars then you are not having enough fun. Having the cops to walk you away has saved many lives. Body guards might be appropriate for some of us. A lot of them walking around with lawyers, guns and money… Carry on hooligans!
I find it interesting since a retired cop makes some of the best snuff their is.
After confronting them and calling the cops twice, getting footage on 3 separate occasions they continue to remain not jailed. Cops are all talk but don’t want to do the paperwork around here, I’d be better off standing in my lot with a 45…
Don’t use a .45, just throw snuff in their eyes (one with chilli in it).
I find it interesting since a retired cop makes some of the best snuff their is.
Who’s a retired cop?? …
Mr Nigel ‘Abraxas’.
He’s from Britain - he’s a retired policeman.
Don’t use a .45, just throw snuff in their eyes (one with chilli in it). This is called “dusting” here in the states. I’ve heard folk tales of people dusting victims with PCP and other illicit powders. I have no opinion. I just thought it was interesting.
If I may offer a take from my perspective- While the bar owners reaction seems over the top, he may have suffered issues with drugs on the premises in the past and simply wanted you gone as quickly as possible. Issue in some jurisdictions is that drugs on the premises can result in a bar loosing its license. In no way does this justify the proprietor or their staff being rude or insulting, but if you take their perspective and what they may have had to deal with in the past- maybe it can be understood. In most cases a business owner can eject whomever they want and provided it is not based on protected factors (sex, age, race, etc) there is really no recourse other than to take our wallets walking. As for the response from the police- it is difficult to know why the first officer responded how they did and the second as they did. In most cases the police can tell you to move along, but there are certainly limits to what is reasonable. In this case you were ejected from the premises and from how I read your post, the second officer was considerably more aggressive in making you leave. Is a cop making you keep walking a civil rights violation? Since I am not a lawyer I cant say with certainty, though I would consider the possibility of being picked up for disorderly conduct, refusing the police or the like. My position on using snuff in public is that given how its taken one must be prepared to be questioned. Its unfortunate that some folks will go way over the top and refuse to accept our explanation as to what it is. Is it right that one should be ejected or accused of doing something nefarious? Absolutely not, but it can and does happen.
Well yes, I believe this was the logic- a bar that allows drug users risks losing its liquor license. Of course the problem here is that I wasn’t engaging in illegal drug-using, but whatever. The bar owner taking 5 seconds to talk to me- with a cop present- could have avoided the whole confrontation. And yes unfortunately in this country a business owner can kick you for any reason they want without justification. That’s how our capitalist system is structured. (Fortunately, as you mentioned, there have been some limitations put on this power in terms of discrimination based on race, etc.) . I don’t think age or sex are necessarily protected though depending on the particular circumstance. The first two cops I dealt with (two men in their 30s-40s) were pretty chill, other than one of them refusing to provide his name because he said he didn’t like his name (he said to just call him “Mike”). I later spoke to the Civilian Complaint Review Board and they said all cops are required to present their name rank and serial number if requested by a citizen. The last bitch cop (woman in mid-late 30s) who escorted me all the way down the freakin block was basically in response to me returning to the sidewalk in front of the bar just to apologize to the bouncer and the people outside for whatever I’d done. The bouncer accepted my tearful apology, and I got lots of hugs from people outside before the owner noticed I was there and came outside in a rage and that’s when the last cop ultimately was called and told to get me far away from the property. In retrospect I guess I’m lucky I didn’t arrested or worse, not even a citation or fine. With all the problems with the NYPD lately maybe it’s white privilege at work- if I were black and did/said some of the things I did they’d probably have had me smashed down on the curb with handcuffs headed off in a patrol car. But an innocent looking young blonde white boy gets away with quite a bit more when it comes to the NYPD.
I was hitchiking across the great USA when I was 20 in 1999. The memories of NYC, I got my ass beat by teenagers, witnessed numerous robberies, every where. Then finally left after the police dumpped my entire backpack into the east river, and arrested me for the night for smoking a joint. The only thing i got back was a blanket, and a large chain for a bike I tried riding out of the city on, that got stolen from me a few days before. What a city.