These arrived today from Mr Snuff, FUBAR; Grunt, R and R, Medic, and Shot of Rum, plus a bullet of Rockit cherry pop. Someone said in a recent post that these were not Dholakia products. They are. They have ‘made in India’ stamped on the side, come in Dholakia smash boxes and have that background quality to them. The Rockit also has ‘made in India’ on the label. Poo-Diddy wrote fairly in depth reviews, but Ill just add a couple of lines here: Fubar - Grunt: This is one of the strongest snuffs I’ve ever tried, truly potent, and has - as PD suggested - a pronounced coconut flavour in the after-taste Medic - Fairly similar to O and G in flavour, finely ground in texture. Shot of Rum - sweet, fine and tastes a bit like the inside of a liquor chocolate R and R - says ‘apricot flavour’ on the side but tastes like cough medicine. Awful. Rockit - Cherry pop. Ive taken about 5 consecutive hits of this to try and determine what its like. Slightly sweet and weak. Personally, the only one of the above I like is the Grunt, because its got a kick and is, coconut aside, fairly plain. The rest just seem contrived and synthetic. The snuff ‘renaissance’ has brought a lot of great snuffs onto the market, but I also think we will start to see a lot of contract manufactured ‘brands’ that are just rushed out there to cash in on the boom.

Wow, I’m impressed! I could never review a tobacco I had just got earlier that day, much less 5, awesome! I did read where TS stated Jaxon’s wasn’t a Dholakia product, but someone denied FUBAR wasn’t a Dholakia product neither?

I don’t mind the bags of Dholakia. They have a cultural integrity that I do admire. But I wonder about the ingredients of some of their newer scents. Who’s to say what they are using for flavorings. Not that there is anything wrong with modern scents but I think there is a big interest in tradition and history. I believe the tobacco to be top quality. Adjusting the grind for nasal use would be nice. With one hundred and fifty years of experience I’m thinking there must be some old recipes laying around somewhere.

Well I have nothing against Dholakia and really enjoy their own name snuff. I’m just not impressed by these fake new brands from supposedly new snuff companies - just seems to be verging on dishonest.

I agree with the consensus, it’s good to see a new line of snuff… but it would be much better to see actuall new snuff companies making there own new snuffs.

After a couple weeks with the FUBAR Medic I still feel it is absolutely nothing at all like McChrystal’s O&G. To me it’s flavor is very similar to Toque Menthol or Many of the Wilson’s SM’s or most specifically the Super Menthol flavor. It also tatses similar to Hedges as the Medic has that citrus like note to it. Now the QWS Ice cool and the Rockit! Ice Cool seem much more like McChrystal’s O&G to me. A much more mellow menthol. All very well done snuffs in my humble opinion as I have been enjoying most of them with the exception of the Rockit! Naked which doesn’t do much for me at this time, but who knows many snuffs have grown on me after some time…

I recently ordered a tin of FUBAR Shot of Rum. Hopefully it will be here in a few days, so I can see how it is. I debated ordering all the FUBAR flavors, but decided to try one first and go from there. I’m really looking forward to trying it.

I would hope my posts get taken with a grain of salt. Some of us are grumpy old men in pain no less. Some of you are starting to sound like drug pushers. You are drawing a line between us here with some of these comments. Now we’ll let you be you if you let us be us. Otherwise your just alienating some of your potential clients. Sorry for chiming in here Snuffster.

Hay, Mr. Snuff you keep putting out new ones and I will try them. If I like it I will buy it again. I think some snuffers are vary wrapped up in the history and don’t want things to change. You are moving with the times as a good businessman must. I have been reaading Old Snuffhouse 1720 to 1920 about the history of F&T. It seem clear that they lasted so long because they changed with the times. Many snuffs came and went in that 200 years. If a product you have been making for 50 or 100 years no longer sells you must make a new product or die. Most young people would never want to use the same old snuff that garandpa/ma used. I love your grunt and the shot of rum is nice too. Keep up the good work!!!

What does FUBAR stands for?? And should not Rockit be spelled with an F ?

I can’t help it… This is not meant to be rude. Growing up in Ontario, Canada FUBAR meant (F*cked up beyond repair) one may say it in this manner, " i crashed my car and now it’s f.u.b.a.r.'ed. Or if you drank to much you “got completely FUBARed” I remember a band, when i was a kid, called FUBAR. They got pissed the whole set then, destroyed everything for the grand finale. But I’m sure in this situation, It means something totally different.

OK!!! So FUBAR and FOCKIT, I mean Rockit, are almost the same?

this is a free forum opinions are allowed I expressed an opinion without agenda of any kind. Apart from anything negative I may have said I also said that I hoped the brands do well. Im frankly amazed that the opinion of one insignificant snuff user should create a heated discussion like this. Mr snuff are you under some kind of impression that my opinion counts for anything? I don’t know whether to be flattered or amused that you wrote an essay in response to my post. I’ve obviously offended you deeply, but I was just expressing an opinion about what is to me just a consumer product, like a chocolate bar or anything else. It doesn’t really matter if my opinion is wrong, ill founded or just plain stupid. Its just one member of the publics opinion. Don’t take it too seriously folks, its only powdered tobacco. And for the producers and suppliers out there - don’t get too precious; snuff isn’t everyones life.

I don’t know for sure Pieter but I think Rockit is a play on rocket, like spaceship. Maybe it does mean fockit though, didn’t even occur to me before.

That makes even more sense.

snuffster i think perhaps you underestimate the esteem with which us newbies regard the senior members with a large number of reviews posted. I have purchased a lot of snuff in the last two months and have been guided in my choices mostly by the excellant reviews of half a dozen people. This has helped me to avoid some of the not so good snuff out there and i am grateful for it. When i purchased the FUBAR products there weren’t any reviews for it and i do like it a lot especially the grunt. I would prefer better packaging and a slightly lower price but the snuff itself is great. I totally agree that everybody is entitled to their opinion but senior members opinions carry weight and will influence many other people.

Good point Big Al, when you consider that Snuffhouse gets thousands of visitors each month, this is one of the few sources of info available for snuff! I bet a lot of people base their choices on the reviews they read here, I know I did when I started, and still do. A very small percentage of readers ever post, they just read.

I’d like to just say something on the subject of reviews and opinions: This is my opinion; I do find it annoying, as Farley says, that the new brands are not openly labelled - equally so with the etsablished brands like Tranters - I just think its unnecessry and misleading. I agree that there seems to be some secrecy about who makes what and I really dislike that - I like to know what I am buying, there are several makers who I don’t like - I don’t have enough money to buy supposedly ‘new’ snuffs to find they are made by a company whose blends I dislike. There you have it, an opinion, nothing more, no agenda. As a consumer who spends some of his spare and hard earned cash making snuff manufacturers and suppliers prosperous, I’m entitled to that opinion and free to express it, as generally accepted. Reviews, of any subject - restaurant, play, movie, whatever - are only of any worth if the reviewer is honest about his or her views. Its not the job of a reviewer - or an obligation - to worry about whether the subject is going to be offended by the review. I believe that a consumer pays for the right to express his views when he purchases the goods, he really doesn’t have to defend that view to a businessman. Read a few theatre reviews and you will see that most of them are emotive in some way or even - as Mr Snuff says - vituperative. Its actually part of life, part of the cut and thrust, and I would hate to see this site turn into a fan club for the business element where if you are not sayiing something great about them its a big deal. And Jarhog, I hope snuff takes off in the 21st century too and as I did say in my post, I wish the manufaturers all success - that really wasn’t the point I was making.

i do not want to renew any arguments but i don’t think that all that backlash was inapropriate if i were in a shop and someone reacted to me in that fashion about my opinion on their product i would walk right out the door and wave goodbye with my middle finger. I sell fresh produce at farmers markets for a living and if i flipped out every time somebody dosn’t buy my lettuce for one reason or another and buys the same exact lettuce from the vendor in the stall next to me i would be out of buisiness in one season. Now i understand its not exactly the same but its the same principal. Now on the same note i can understand where the upset comes form because there are times when people criticize the hell out of my perfectly good produce for no apparent reason and it does hurt when you have alot of work and pride in something and someone tears it apart, but i think it should have been handled differently. My closing note… i can’t wait to try every snuff i can get my hands on

It’s funny though because this relabeling thing happens a lot in more products then snuff. Often times you really have to dig pretty deeply to find out the truth about who makes what product. At least with snuff it doesn’t seem to be a regional thing. I.e. in this state company a makes it and in that other state company b makes the product in the same package with the same label. Happens all the time. Guess it’s just a reality of modern bussiness.

Yeah it personally does not bother me if I know who makes a snuff or not. My biggest concern is if I enjoy the snuff or not. Just like when I go grocery shopping, 90% of the time I will buy store brand products just to save a little money & generally they taste the same as name brands. 9 times out of 10 that store brand is made by one of the reputable/popular name brand companies anyways even though it does not say it on the package. There are a lot of products over a wide range of categories that are made by someone else but its not disclosed. You see it a lot in hunting & fishing products, shoes, clothing, food, personal care products etc. Places like sportsmansguide.com does it a lot with their own brand “guide gear”. They have it made by a reputable company, put their own name on it and sell it cheaper than the comparable name brand product. They don’t disclose who its made by but with a little comparing you can figure it out.

yeah it’s definetely not just snuff. If it was up to me evertything would be labeled with ingredients, where its made, and where it was repackaged,reprocessed etc. not just snuff but everthing, food,medicine,tea,cars,shoes,clothes, you get my drift. i for one like to know what i’m buying and who made it … and now im not even talking about snuff anymore but ranting about our corrupt world lol.

Personally I think it’s a great thing to have this snuff available and to know it’s Dholakia quality would seemingly be to it’s advantage. This stuffs unique in that it takes the best of both the popular EU styles, easy to take and highly flavored and the American style’s texture and strength. I’m no expert but as good as this is, and strong as it is, more people might be apt to try snuff and stick with it.

I experience the same thing in my business. One range of items that I produce I sell in bulk to another manufacturer who then puts them in his own packaging. Some of his customers claim to prefer the items bought from him, possibly because he charges them slightly more than I do, even when they are told the products are identical. Neither of us can figure it out but we both do well out of it so no complaints from anyone.

johndeere - yep, I’ve certainly now walked out of this particular store never to return. The day I get businessmen crying like girls cos Ive said something they don’t like is the day I part company with them

Yes, before we have this beautiful forum FUBAR, let’s all take a pinch on Alex, our suppliers, our members and freedom of speech. In my nose I have TOQUE Espresso, on you all!!! Kindest regards Pieter

Mr Snuff - No apologies needed, I wasn’t really offended just - I guess - being robust in my opinions. Of course you have the right to reply and I for one genuinely did not feel we had degenerated in any bad way, I mean most of us are guys here and have probably all said our piece at one time or another in a way thats ruffled some feathers but there is no real animosity - when I get going I have a big mouth, typical old cop - I probably just need putting out to grass with a cup of hot milk or something. I do take on board the comment though about nasty curse wars, we need to keep that out of our forum and if I have appeared to engage in that then I too offer apologies. And ‘dishonest’ was a word I used without a great deal of intent behind it - with hindsight (a wonderful thing!!) I would have phrased it more like farley did - an apparent and not needed secrecy. Peace and love. Nigel

In my opinion this discussion has been both positive and enlightening. I feel as if I am part of a think tank for snuff and snuffmakers. Another point that I would like to leave Mr. Snuff with is the danger of raising a red flag with anti-tobacco fanatics putting all snuff at risk especially with this litigious society we live in. This comment is mostly regarding marketing to the “younger” consumers. I would recommend a consultation with a lawyer or at the very least doing some homework on tobacco laws. Anyhow best of luck to us.

Got my first taste of FUBAR yesterday, and it was the Shot of Rum. It’s a pretty dry, fine snuff, and tastes pretty much like some good rum. I’ve also got some Grunt, and Rockit Cherry Pop on the way.

Got the Grunt and Cherry Pop today - well done The Cherry is so good I want to eat it, but that might be a bad idea. Maybe I’ll just sniff it instead

I find myself looking for FUBAR RnR sometimes. I do have the black box Gawith that’s also a Poschl that I happened to find in Berkeley but it’s also Apricot and could compare that if you decide to just snuff the RnR, it makes the black box apricot seem to have no flavor. After a few more days with the Shot of Rum I decided that it could be an everyday one. of course, I have had the nights with just the Wilson’s R and B complementing a disc at a time of the Sopranos just around when I started snuff. I think this made me make the Wilson’s special. The first sniff of Medic gave the impression of candy like the other side of Sparrow Cool or a sweetened SM 500.