just out of interest how people here are members of the freemasons ? Its on topic kinda lol

I’d call this OT, but I have had some interest in the OTO, GD, and AMORC.

Not a member of any organization although the histories of all the above hold a fascination. What do you see as a relationship between snuff and Freemasonry?

My cousin is a freemason and yes, he does believe in a supreme being, it’s all a bit strange I recon. But I’m an atheist so what do I care, what was it Ben Franklin said “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches” @davec32 I’m not taking a pop at you Dave

@OTD: Clearly snuff is an ancient masonic conspiracy to get Europeans addicted to tobacco, so that they’d move on to more dangerous and addictive forms of the habit. Naturally, they did this to get revenge for our mistreatment of the Native American freemasons. More on topic, there was a freemason meeting house down the way from my school. They didn’t seem to do much aside from hold spaghetti dinners, though.

sorry it was of topic i changed the wording but obviously my phone messed up while saving lol it was ment to say … I wonder as it dates back so far what snuff or snuffs they used back then as its a gentlemans club i just have a picture in my head of it also recent documentrys on uk tv about it all . I think the illuminate are slightly different in that they controll everything

lol shikitohno, you wouldn’t need to refine that shtick much further from where it is now and you could develop a rabid conspiracy-nut following (-;

Freemason’s I would never get associated with the very nasty idiots.

@Tom I was a past member of AMORC, just couldn’t afford the renewel fees. Its very interesting stuff, but very expensive to be a part of. They were looking at £56 per quarter I couldn’t afford that though I would like to. Stefan

No but my grandfather was one though I don’t think he ever did snuff. My favorite all time tobacco shop (which carried snuff when it still exsisted) was owned by a mason. I love their symbolism too. And I had lots of fun one night annoying a number of east coast oto memebers silly guys they where.

I was invited to join the Masons but declined due to time and money constraints. I’m not aware of any specific snuff connections with Free Masons aside from the tone of 18th century auras and snuff being more widely used socially at that time. I will say this though, when my youngest son had to be examined for a major health issue, the local Scottish Rites hospital payed for the entire procedure. It didn’t cost me a single penny. Any organization that puts it’s money where it’s mouth is and helps out the local populace can’t be all that bad. They may be a bunch of fez wearing, rich, old men getting drunk and riding go-carts in parades, but they’re helping people and I can’t say anything bad about that.

My grandfather and father were freemasons. The masonic lodge my grandfather was a member of did a lot of good for the community in Pembrokeshire (Wales), but for some reason the Liverpool Masonic Lodge my father was a member of were a nasty bunch and when my father tried to leave, things got very unpleasant apparently. I have no urge to join, especially when there are less formal charitable organisations around to join.

As everyone knows, masonry is very common in the police. I was invited to join as a young cop and did so - not peer group pressure; I just liked and respected the person that asked me. I was in a couple of years but basically it became a bit of a chore going to meetings and I resigned my membership. My experiences were very mundane - it was nothing more than a gentleman’s dining club wit a bit of ceremony involved. I never saw or found anything even remotely sinister and I have to laugh when I compare the conspiracy theories with my time as a freemason. They certainly don’t like people to leave because it’s quite an involved process joining and it reflects on the judgement (they feel) of the member who introduces you, but I doubt they made any plans to murder me or cut my tongue out. Now I’m neither for or against them; I look on them in much the same way as my local golf club or rotary members.

@snuffgrinder I like the one on the lower left, brass perhaps?

I relate to the time slipping by. I started out as a Patrol Officer then went into undercover narcotics for a year. I was very disillusioned by my experience as an investigator. After being promoted to Sgt. I worked the streets for a bit then went back inside as the Training Coordinator. I spent the last few years managing the jail. I loved the job but found the politics overwhelming. I took an early retirement to switch careers but my wife revealed an affair immediately afterwards then cleaned out the savings and maxed all of the credit cards before blind-siding me with a divorce. So now I sit and collect my retirement pay and buy snuff when I can afford it. But I always get a laugh thinking about that poor guy scrambling to join the Masons thinking it would get him hired. That same guy got into trouble once and I had to write him up with a written reprimand. I called him into the office and told him I had great news. “You’re getting written up with a reprimand.”, I told him. “What’s so great about that?”, he asked. “Well, I just saved a ton of money switching to Geico on my car insurance.”, I replied. We both had a good laugh and it helped ease the tension. I see so many new faces driving around the city, they’re young and I hardly know any of them. I always told my rookies to remember two things: 1) Always hold a traffic flare sideways or it will fry your hand. 2) Never walk across the grass at night in an apartment complex, you’ll almost always step in dog shit. Oh well, take care. Spyro ’ ’

brilliant post Spyro. Sorry bout the wife. any mason I’ve hired was NOT free. never noticed if they snuffed.

Oops. That was meant as a whisper. Oh well, nothing really private about it, enjoy the post.

EEEEEkkk…Masons!!! Illuminati!!! NEW WORLD ORDER!!! Project Bluebeam, MJ12, Skull and Bones!!! 322!!! A million 4 person plastic coffins in a field in Georgia! FEMA!!! They are coming for you, to make you a slave and turn you into Soylent Green. I jest. I jest. Conspiracies thories were an adolescent hobby of mine. I have grown out of them mostly…however there are days I still wonder…

It’s a well known fact that there’s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world known as The Pentaverate who run everything in the world - including the newspapers - and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado known as The Meadows - the Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

Aha! I always suspected that Colonel Sanders’ secret recipe stood for more than just herbs and spices.

I often think the conspiracies that a small group of people run the world is a psychological defense mechanism which creates the illusion that this isn’t a chaotic mess and that someone even if not a good person at least is in charge.

Yeah that’s pretty much it bob. People need something to blame or some menace to pin things on when the world goes to hell. I’ve heard the conspiracy nuts jump on these FEMA camps and the manufacture of a million plus utility coffins and such as absolute proof of a murderous conspiracy. In reality even those suspicious sounding activities have very sensical and practical explanations about them. Fema camps…easy. Refugee placement in the event of a widespread US catastrophe. Plastic Coffins…sanitary disposal of dead in event of an attack, outbreak, or disaster here or anywhere in the world since they are easy to transport. All it takes is a little rational thought and the sinister “signs” these people see become far more understandable.

though I know from experience that hali-burton has an evil secratary. The guy seriously does sound like the evil guy in a bad sci fi movie. Makes you think doesn’t it.

Oh there are definitely so sick evil people in some very high places. I’m also sure so of these people have made some bad things happen for their own motives. I just don’t buy the whole, “The Illuminati is gonna kill 3/4’s of us and enslave the rest” routine. Doesn’t make sense, if the kill 3/4 of us how would they continue to make billions by plundering us every way we turn?

All we, like sheep have gone astray. Each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Nah.

…and the cheeze stands alone.

Maybe we should take over? I suggest Bob as Grand Master with Pieter as Evil Monk. I’ll make swure the Grand Masters beer is kept at a nice temp.

And I want a bicycle made for two…

What about fez’s or those decorated apron things? Those would be a nice touch

Everything but the fezs. So who gets to be the “grand exualted librarian”?

I’d like to be the “Imperial Grand Magnus Of Coffee and Cookie Selection” or “IGMOCCS” If the fez has a big eye on the front, I’d like mine to be quite dialated and caffinated looking.

@TNK, do you want spectacles for the eye as well?

Hmm…seeing as how I am dang near waering coke bottles myself. Sure!

'Masons have gone soft here in Ireland and accept catholics as well. Political correctness gone mad!

Although it would appear that most American masonic lodges have hit the skids, to judge from the condition of their run-down temples, they actually do “run everything” in many rural counties around the country. I travel the country (and world, to some extent) as a private investigator, and have repeatedly uncovered political situations in which the judges, the mayor, the sheriff, chief of police, president of the bank and the owner of the feed and seed store are all lodge brothers. You can imagine that if you were trying to make a name for yourself in such a county without joining the lodge, you’d be SOL. The cool thing about the Masons is that you could ask to join. It wasn’t invitation-only. Almost seems democratic by comparison with today’s off-the-books political system. Now here’s a rhetorical question. What if you learned that the President of the US, the general editors of every major American publishing house, the News directors of every American media organization, the presidents of most major Universities, most senators, many congressmen, many generals and admirals, the presidents and Army chiefs of most Latin American countries (and many other countries as well), the head of the NTSA, the entire NSC, etc. etc etc. … What if you learned that all these folks belong to a secret society that, among other things, includes teams of anonymous assassins? And that they have pledged always to deny belonging to this organization. And that, once one joins, one is in for life, like it or not. Well, folks, this is indeed the case in America in 2010. I’m not authorized to name the organization, but read the National Security Council Directive 5412, along with the National Security Act of 1947, and you’ll be In The Know. I was offered the chance to join back in college, but being the ignorant rebel that I was, I turned it down. D’oh! -Eric, PI

at least your ulcers won’t get as bad.

Upon which is laid the iniquity of us all.