For quite a while, the EU Commission responsible for tobacco use has been launching campaigns to ban nasal snuff in the EU. Bavarian opposition has succeeded in preventing a direct ban. However, the Brussels Bureaucratic Mafia is trying a back door. Now, they want to ban the flavouring of tobacco (with some exceptions, not including nasal snuff). Obviously, this means the end for 95% of snuff variety. For german speakers: http://www.stmwivt.bayern.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/pressemitteilung/?tx\\_ttnews[tt\\_news]=32416&cHash=acaa6789f1ba7b9a3eea4dcc23ec652f I, for my part am sick of being deprived of my rights of decision by second rate polititians and over the hill civil servants who have been promoted to Brussels because of gross incompetence at home. Let them fart into their chairs for as long as they wish. But not at my expense and at cost of my freedom. I think it is time for resistance. Perhaps snuff manufacturers will come up with an idea and sell their flavours separately. Maybe with flavouring kits, so we can prepare our own snuffs. There must be some workarounds out there. In the meantime, we should write some serious letters and emails to our own ‘representatives’ and light a small fire under their butts. We can always stoke this fire if necessary. Counting on your solidarity Patrick B. Ludwig

Its the same with snus, Sweden have basically told the EU where to go and that they will ignore any flavoring ban.

“Black Market Snuff” Sounds interesting or maybe separate flavoring packets that you buy hmmmm Hope things work out for you all

The flavoring ban on smokeless tobacco is an interesting new twist, though somewhat better than the total ban on smokeless that was in the previous draft. They are looking to have this ratified by 2014 with implementation by 2015/16. There is a way to go with this yet, as this is still at the proposal stage and there will be much wrangling before ratification.

This ‘flavoring’ ban happened here in the States recently, I believe. Ciggies and C-gars. The EU ban would affect us here, too, if it can’t be made over there. Firearms are also on the firing line again. Freedom. Phhhhffftttttt :-w

I will not comment here because my thoughts on the EU and this ridiculous proposal would probably get me banned. But I am sure you can work out for yourself what I am thinking >:)

@Chris Call up people at random, like jury service. Get to be an MP for a year

In the US I have never heard of cigars having a ban but I do recall (correct me if I’m wrong) a ban on the flavored cigarettes that where imported. I remember hearing about chocolate flavored smokes that were super charged vitamin N

@Bizzle An interesting solution but that might cause even more problems - it may be a bit too random and how much could they do in only 1 year. There again there is the upside that in only 1 year they could not do too much harm!!! Keep the ideas coming - there must be a solution out there

If they are so concerned about tobacco then they should ban it, plain and simple. No, they won’t, the try to restrict further what smokeless tobacco we can get, keep the ban on the safest one, swedish snus, let freely allow the sale of cigarettes which will kill people and will cause cancer. Let me think who is funding these health lobbyists, NRT manufacturers perhaps? Surely not! The sooner we leave the EU the better!!

I’ll just keep buying in bulk until I have more than a lifetimes supply. I’m about half way there already. Better safe than sorry.

What’s the justification? There are no known health affects of snuff, so it can’t be medical. Are they afraid the kiddies are going to take up snuff because they can get fruit flavored tobacco? Kids these days (oh God, here I go) have zero perseverance; do they really think that kids will keep trying snuff when they’re getting it in their sinuses and throat because they lack proper technique and seasoning? That being said, I’d rather each of my kids be a snuff addict than an occasional cigarette smoker (you don’t stay “occasional” for long…). [End of Rant]

I can only suggest mortgage the house, and buy a life time supply before it all goes away. Store it in that hidden fallout shelter and don’t tell anyone.

And thus Snuffageddon!!!

One thing that interests me is if nasal snuff would actually be affected by such a ban depending on wording. I imagine such a ban if targeted at cigarettes may ban flavoring by additive weight.

Folks, I’ve had to delete about 8 posts from this thread, from various members. I haven’t edited of those that remain any but some of the wording in a few is a bit strong. Please keep ranting to a minimum, and please keep nationalism, insurrection and strong opinions out. Also please keep out tangential political ideas and discussions. This is an important thread, and I’d prefer not to close or sink it.

I wish Roderick qould say something about this thread.

I don’t think its even to that stage. I think its still discussion/suggestion.

Having read the various proposals up to now things are moving in a positive direction. Each iteration has been less draconian than the last. I will though be bugging my M.P and MEP about this. I have been drawing their attention to the report on the consultation, that had an unprecedented amount of correspondents from the general public. The consultation showed overwhelming and well informed support for smokeless tobacco as harm reduction.

Here is a link to the actual Proposal http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/products/index\\_en.htm At this stage it is still a proposal, but it’s a proposal that is getting serious consideration. It will effect snuff and snus in it’s current form, IF it passes as is. Sweden is having a hissy fit, but snuff worries me. We are such a small group that unless all smokeless manufacturers and users band together we may be facing Tobacco Armageddon. Pipe tobacco would also be heavily regulated. Of course cigars will be exempted as usual. Unless a bunch of people and money in the EU stand and fight, we’re screwed. Being American I have little advice, not knowing how things work over there, but I’d have plenty of ideas for the US.

Ok, well professional writers perhaps should construct a draft respone to @bigmick’s link taking in considerations of the commune here. I’m sure we have a few writers here. It can then be submitted back here for us to adjust/augment. After that we can send it to the EU body that reviews these things with signatures/petitions. I’m American too, but the economy is linked so national status should bear little relavance. Sweden will find a way to opt out and secure an exemption from EU regs - if the popular opinion is against them. They need to be engaged in the “all-for-one” kind of solidarity. Germany may opt out of they feel it threatens their culture. Bavaria may opt out of Germany altogether if they feel it threatens theirs. We need to nip this in the bud before any of that comes to pass. One point to be emphasized in any rebuttal is the historical relevance of flavoring snuff. I.E. point out its not a recent development to entice kids, and that its been partof our culture for centuries. Health arguments are separate arguments.

Yes, good point on the ‘cultural’ angle, previous exemptions were won on this tack in 2001. Though, this was when muticulturalism was in vogue and I am not so sure this is the case in the current European context. More EU revision documents http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/products/revision/index\\_en.htm

I’ve been considering growing my own tobacco for awhile now. This proposed legislation is really pushing me in that direction.

They’re idiots they don’t know what they’re talking about. They don’t use science they use prejudice. All tobacco is bad it all kills you because it’s an evil plant. In my opinion frankily people should be allowed to take what they want, not because they should really do that, but because it’s been proven that goverment interference doesn’t really work that well. And who are they to say what you can do to yourself. I actualy am fine with certain smoking bans no point in forceing other people to enjoy your tobacco. I sometimes think we should sue them for forcing us other people to endure second hand smoke.

If nicotine was added to a tobacco free blend then maybe it could be marketed as a nicotine replacement therapy. I am not saying that it is ideal but it would solve tax issues. I’ve seen nicotine inhalers so it would seem that inhalable NRT isn’t beyond the pail and it would have scientific studies to back it up. In the mean time I will continue to live for the moment. If ever I can’t snuff I will miss it dearly but easy come, easy go. Life gives and life takes away.

Clive Bates formerly of ASH Uk has written a lot about this, just check his blog by googling, he gives advice how to be vigilant and civil about this issue regarding national and European legislatures. Good man Mr Bates, real gentleman in true sense. Fair enough for @Xander to delete offensive posts here.

@AllanH Thanks for the direction to the Clive Bates blog, very useful.

@AllanH Thanks for the direction to the Clive Bates blog, very useful.

And that wasclivebates.com Good, sensible read for everyone!

There’s also Christian Engstrom MEP at [christianengstrom.wordpress.com /](http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com /) who tries to engage lobbyists and results are quite revealing.