Hi all, I have given up smoking using E-Cigs and found it really hard to do i have done 4 months now but have had to stop using them for a number of reasons, itchy skin, dry skin and mouth, and nicotine withdraw… I have just tried Snuff and i seem to get more nicotine from it ?? How can this be i seem to feel much more relaxed using Snuff than i ever did on E-Cigs ?? I personally cant work this out …I have wondered if its because its ground tobacco so im still using tobacco or maybe their is something in Snuff that E-Cigs dont have in them … Any ideas as i was geting wound up and argumentative on the E-Cigs but Snuff seems to have solved that ?? To add was using 1.8mg on the E-cigs

Nicotine is not the whole story, tobacco also has alkaloids that effect brain chemistry and the pleasure responses that combine to make the addiction. E-cigs just contain a small amount of nicotine, which is only part of what you crave. Snuff, being whole tobacco, gives you the full spectrum of what you need minus the tar, carbon monoxide etc. Snuff will give you everything you need to quit, e-cigs probably just re-inforce the desire to smoke in the long run.

Thank you Snuffster for you reply. This is really interesting i have also just Google this to find out more… It makes sense as its really noticeable and clear that Snuff is giving me much more of what i need and its giving me what i didnt know i was missing (Alkaloids). It was clear my body(mind) was craving something and the effect of that something was very very strong

That’s cleared up a few things for me too. I’ve been a heavy smoker for many years and only recently started using snuff. My smoking has decreased dramatically and snuff, unlike other nicotine replacement, really hits the spot. I’m now getting ready to give up the cigs completely - when I get back off holiday…probably!

The research reproduced on the Mr Snuff website is pretty good. Compared to smoking there is a minuscule amount of quality, peer reviewed scientific work on snuff, but it’s there if you dig. Some of the cancer research organisations are coming out for snuff. Unfortunately, the studies are not all in one place.

But fortunately the studies have hit a threshold that follows the trend of this information is about to go sciencetifically mainstream any day now.

As others have said, chemically and body chemistry wise speaking, nicotine alone is no substitute for tobacco itself. That is why the success rates on nicotine gum and the patches are not higher. The E-cig does however do a great job of addressing the hand to mouth habit. I use one, but I use it in combination (not at the same time though) with snuff and snus. Ken

E-Cigs = Digital Death

I tried e-cigs. I dropped over a hundred bucks on these pieces of shit, and I never put it down, burned out the atomizer and NEVER felt satisfied…However fast forward a few years and I no longer smoke cigs thanks to snuff, with no desire to be a “smoker” again (pipes don’t count).

Pipes aren’t smoking, everyone knows that.

I tried ecigs and they were a total letdown. I got a couple different models because some of them had a really strange taste when I was using them, some were so bulky it was insane, and others had some sort of mechanical difficulties. I had good luck with the Blu brand, but after using them exclusively for a few days, I went into full nicotine (alkaloid?) withdrawal. I had no problem with the sensation fixation, as i felt like I was still smoking, but that ‘something’ that I needed just wasn’t there. Snuff does it for my nic and other requirements, but I still crake the smokes, even though they don’t really make me feel like I’m getting any more nic than I do off of snuff. I think I just like the sensation; sitting on the porch having nice conversations, the ability to do it easily while driving, the fact that I have to go outdoors so it forces me to really take a break, and no insane boogers of death. I still love snuff, but I go in phases between it, dip, and smoking. All are usually present, just in different quantities at different times.

Anyone tried the e-pipe?

I’ve wondered if they’re any diffrent then the e-cigs.

e-Snuff - Shove a computer chip up yer nose!

Mu uncle has the pipe (he smoked a pipe for over 17 years) and he has not touched his real pipe since “1 year now” he also just got one from liberro… The thing that worries me is company’s here selling purity e juice … They say it’s cleaner and made under strict guide lines in the uk … Ummmm so what’s this other stuff you have been selling me got in it ??? Scary ESP when you realise everything is made in china … Now china as we all know are well not that strict on what they should or should not do or in this case add or not add … Snuff I feel personally for me is safer in a lot of ways and is meeting all my needs … If it was not for snuff I would have smoked this week no doubt about it

I’m with @Harlequin on this… I spent lot of money on one of these gimmicks and only used it for maybe a week. It did not satisfy my cravings at all. The company I bought one from actually advertised that these were not intended for nicotine replacement therapy, but rather as an alternative for smokers to use in places where they were not allowed to smoke.

This is a topic that requires a more lengthy response than a forum post. Short answer, ecigs are the answer for someone who wants to quit cigarettes, but they are not a replacement for someone who loves tobacco. Here’s a plug for my vaping site, and in addition to the content you’ll find links there to both US and European distributors for my own brand of eliquid, which is the closest you will get to a tobacco experience in eliquid. I’ve taken the summer off from writing in case you notice my last article was some time ago.

The only other self promotion I’ll do regarding this is to mention that each one of my juices is a natural tobacco extraction and contains nothing but tobacco, PG, VG, nicotine and in the case of Stockholm, natural anise flavoring. Most tobacco eliquid is a sad joke that will simply offend a tobacco lover. My goal was to create a line that wasn’t. We succeeded in doing so, but I’ll be the first to tell you that I find tobacco more compelling.

I agree with cakeanddottle. I quit cigarettes with e-cigarettes, but found myself wanting more satisfaction, and less charging of batteries. Snuff, for me, was the answer. I quit e-cigarettes with snus, and have quit snus with snuff and an occasional pipe. The English tobacco tradition is the place to be, if you ask me.

Yeah I unintentionally gave up snus when I started taking snuff.

@cakeanddottle, it sounds like you had the right idea. I know some people who have had success with vaping, but I think it really depends on the quality of the product you use. There are a lot of people making cheap versions of the e-cig, I’ve seen some at the counter in gas stations… and who knows what they use or put in them.

That’s cleared up a few things for me too. I’ve been a heavy smoker for many years and only recently started using snuff. My smoking has decreased dramatically and snuff, unlike other nicotine replacement, really hits the spot. I’m now getting ready to give up the cigs completely - when I get back off holiday…probably!

I finally was able to stop smoking, after many attempts, when I stopped right after returning from a holiday, so it might be one of the better times to do it. Snus and snuff succeeded where other methods had failed as well–it’s almost two years to the day now.

Congratulations @ericthered!!!

Wow congrats @ericthered

I quit my 30 a day RYO habit for an E-Cigg over a year ago now. I would recommend an E-Cigg to anyone who wants to quit smoking, only i have recently discovered that snuff is far more enjoyable!!!

Same here I quit cigis by use of an vape mod. But find that i constantly miss something and vape more and more without full satisfaction. Now I found snuff and I am sure that this is place to stay. 

@trotro - I’m pretty sure that the absence of minor whole tobacco alkaloids, MAOIs, and whatever else is in tobacco that’s not in e-liquid is the reason that, for many smokers, vaping never completely satisfies.  If nicotine alone were the smoking cessation solution, then nicotine gum and patches would be a lot more effective than they actually are.  Vaping does provide the hand-to-mouth and inhale/exhale rituals that are a big part of the smoking habit, though.  But you never hear of anyone “jonesing” for a vape the way people do for a cigarette.

@MarkM I have a couple of friends who are just as hooked on vape as many are with cigarettes. I have seen them get in a real flap when their systems have let them down, and had to go and buy some tobacco just to tide them over till they could get the vape back up and running.

I found that no matter how long I puffed on an e-cigarette, I never felt satisfied like I did when finishing a cigarette. I’d puff all day long, and never feel “finished”. Hundreds of dollars worth of ever more capable systems and ever more hyped e-juice suppliers later, I discovered snus, and was done with vaping. True, it took Siberia Red to get me there, but I got there. I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to go the e-cig route, but I don’t know a single person who has gotten aboard that train who isn’t puffing more now than they used too. Hours and hours puffing on an e-cig compared to maybe an hour total a day smoking cigarettes… I don’t know that I’d call that progress. I do know that my lungs felt better when I was using e-cigs, but they felt better when I stopped putting smoke and vapor in them altogether. Whatever gets you off the cigarettes is a good thing in my opinion, but I feel that giving your lungs a break should be the ultimate goal.

I found that vaping never really gave me the satisfaction that I got from real tobacco. I bought sub ohm rigs and various juices of varying strengths and it didn’t do the trick. With snuff, I find that the satisfaction is there and I don’t have to puff away on a device all day. Vaping dried out my throat and made me cough. Also the nic would give me headaches. With snuff I don’t get that. I also have discovered Swedish snus for those moments when I want to be stealth.

@50ft_trad - Just my personal experience, I guess.

@Tobe - excellent points.  It’s also funny to me how a lot of people expect ten times as much vapor from their vape than they ever did with smoke from their cigarette.  Maybe “cloud chasers” are really chasing satisfaction.

@larry_90066 - my experience as well.  I still think that the fact that there’s a lot more to tobacco satisfaction than just nicotine is the reason that vaping leaves many smokers unsatisfied.  Plus, carrying around a tin of snuff is a lot more convenient than charging batteries, filling tanks, cleaning tanks, etc., etc. (unless you’re into that sort of thing).  I’m also with you about the dry throat - propylene glycol is a humectant, so it’s going to do that.

I too use to vape for quite a while but personally I got tired of all the fuss with it. I personally just love tobacco so snuff it is for me. Plus it’s so much cheaper and easier in my opinion

@orion - considering this morning’s announcement from the FDA, it looks like we might eventually have to forget about vaping anyway.  They’re even planning on regulating the devices as tobacco products - go figure.  That’s like if the USDA were to regulate cereal bowls as grain products.

@MarkM For those of us in foreign lands, what is the newest announcement? New taxes?

I am not sure what this means for Snuff.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm499234.htm

@50ft_trad - it has to do with regulatory oversight.  If you want to introduce a new e-liquid onto the market, for example, even if it’s just tweaking a previous recipe, you have submit it for approval - a process which could cost a small company a million dollars each time, effectively putting them out of business.  The FDA is in total anti-vaping hysteria mode, even to the point of considering the devices we use to be “tobacco products”.  Insane.

@roho - I think snuff is going to fly under the radar at least for a while, since so few people currently use it.  There are no guarantees, however.

“finalized a rule extending its authority to all tobacco products”

Snuff is still relatively unknown in the US, but even my workplace “tobacco cessation program” (increased health insurance cost) lists nasal snuff now.  :((

@MarkM yea I haven’t heard the new announcement yet or anything but that seems a bit ridiculous. I agree that snuff should be safe for a little while yet but who really knows anymore. The government never ceases to amaze me anymore haha. @SHbickle that sucks man! Shame they just can’t let people be who aren’t harming anything/anyone.

…and this is why I’m making bulk purchases. When the ban hammer comes down, I want to have a lifetime’s supply of all my favorites. And the ban hammer WILL come down. It’s the way of the modern world.

Sounds like you guys over the pond could be facing some “interesting” times ahead in terms of tobacco/snuff purchasing. I have had a read of that linked page, and I certainly can’t see the likes of WoS (to name just one) declaring/registering the list of ingredients for each of their snuffs. I hope that’s not too much of a game changer for you guys.

@50ft_trade - the really disingenuous part of it is that FDA (technically it stands for Food and Drug Administration, but I think it should really stand for “F***ing Dumb Asses”) says that the regulations only apply to vaping products developed after 2007.  That’s like saying we’re only going to regulate automobiles produced after 1886.

All tobacco products covered, and it says FDA have to approve all ingredients and method in the manufacture of the product, which I believe only Toque has gone to the trouble of. So from what I can see, there is only Toque out of all your imported snuffs which would be an FDA approved product. The chances of other snuffmakers revealing their secret recipes is a bit slim if you ask me. Hopefully I’m wrong, but the way I’m reading all this, you’ve all got 90 days to stock up on your favourite snuffs

I thought recipes were already required due to the pact act that is as far as tobacco goes, from what I understand the snuff coming in from across The pond is just flying under the radar so I doubt if this will effect it much though I could be completely bass ackwards on this

@50ft_trad - to clarify, I didn’t mean the regs only apply to vaping products.  My point was that when they say it applies to vaping products developed after 2007, they’re essentially referring to every vaping product currently on the market.

Yep I’ve been vaping for the past year and a half the leap in vape gear even in that period is insane, somethings made even three months ago are considered obsolete today vaping is about to change in big way