There’s been a few ‘how much do you snuff in a day?’ type threads, but I’ve never seen this question asked: For those who buy in bulk, how much do you think you get through in a year? I’m thinking that bulk-buyers will have a more accurate idea of their average consumption. I’m interested to know, because I’m wondering about the kind of quantities that would be involved in maintaining a cellar, ageing snuffs and so forth.

I once figured that 35kg would see me through to the end.

Being a bulk buyer, I use from 900g upto 1kg a year. That doesn’t sound as much, but it’s still 2,5g a day…

I’m curious about this because what I’ve read from WoS was … As soon as you crack the factory seal snuff has a 6 month shelf life if stored in the refrigerator 2 year lifespan if the seal isn’t broken from the point of purchase. Surely if your bulk buying in those quantity’s isn’t the quality of the stuff far surpassed it’s life span?

I’m curious about this because what I’ve read from WoS was … As soon as you crack the factory seal snuff has a 6 month shelf life if stored in the refrigerator 2 year lifespan if the seal isn’t broken from the point of purchase. Surely if your bulk buying in those quantity’s isn’t the quality of the stuff far surpassed it’s life span?

Don’t believe the propaganda! The ‘factory seal’ on WoS tins is a piece of tape! (Also, Soylent Green is people!) I think what they mean is that when the container is no longer airtight, the snuff will start to dry out. What is laughable about their above statement is that you have no idea how old the snuff is when you bought it. It’s not like this stuff flies off the shelves. What if it had been sitting in the store for two years before you purchased it? If you decant a freshly opened tin of WoS (or any other brand) into an airtight container, it will last far longer than it does in the original tin, whether that tin has tape on it or not. For instance, when I moved here to the States five years ago, I brought several tins of WoS SP-100 with me. I presumed (correctly) that I wouldn’t be able to buy snuff locally, so before I left the UK, I visited a tobacconist and bought all of the 25g tins of SP-100 that they had, which was seven in total. I mailed six of the tins ahead, and took the remaining one with me for the flight. Unfortunately, I was so busy with the business of emigrating that I accidentally packed that tin of SP-100 in my checked luggage rather than my hand luggage. (Fear not, I had other snuff with me on the plane!) When my box of belongings arrived in NY, I opened the six tins and put the contents into a mason jar, but I didn’t think of the other tin that was still in my suitcase. I still have that tin, and it still has the factory tape on it. If I shake the tin, I can tell that the contents have completely dried out. The snuff which is in the mason jar is still fresh as a daisy, even though I ‘break the seal’ by periodically opening the jar to fill my snuffbox. So there you go; identical tins of snuff bought at the same time from the same store, and stored for five years. The only difference was the container the snuff was stored in. Snuff will keep fresh for a LONG time if stored correctly.

I currently have 75 jars of bulk, 450g, 500g and 600g which totals about 40kg. It will last me a lifetime. There are still about 30 snuffs I want in bulk. When I’ve got those I figure I’ll have enough for two lifetimes. I just love bulk snuff. Stored properly, the freshness can’t be beaten. I’m planning on buying 200-300 tins of snuffs I want but don’t want in bulk as I’m missing variation as I currently only have about 150 snuffs (bulk + tins). Loads of new snuffs have come out in the last 2 years which I’ve not yet tried, so bulk buying is going on hold. My daily intake is anywhere between 2g and 20g depending on mood and snus useage.

@SnuffySnuff, I’m quite jealous. Because of customs limitations, I can’t buy more than about half a kilo each month. I try to buy that amount every month to build up my stocks. I’ve probably got about four kilos by now, either in good jars or in original containers in the fridge, if the tin is good. But it’s going to take me a long time to catch up to you at this rate.

I’m curious about this because what I’ve read from WoS was … As soon as you crack the factory seal snuff has a 6 month shelf life if stored in the refrigerator 2 year lifespan if the seal isn’t broken from the point of purchase. Surely if your bulk buying in those quantity’s isn’t the quality of the stuff far surpassed it’s life span?

That’s not true. Stored in air tight glass jars away from heat, snuff can easily last 25-30 years.

@SnuffySnuff, I’m quite jealous. Because of customs limitations, I can’t buy more than about half a kilo each month. I try to buy that amount every month to build up my stocks. I’ve probably got about four kilos by now, either in good jars or in original containers in the fridge, if the tin is good. But it’s going to take me a long time to catch up to you at this rate.

Where do you live? Are you in Jakarta? Is that India?

@SnuffySnuff, Indonesia. Customs are generally okay with imports to a value of less than $50 and preferably weighing no more than around 250 grams. After that, they’ve been known to impose duties and/or ask questions.

It sounds like most of you guys live outside of the UK and don’t have easy access to snuff hence buying in bulk. Also the prices obviously vary. Well if it will keep and store for that long then that is good news. I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

For me bulk is a few (2 or 3) 100g Value Bags from Toque or a dozen 25g tins of assorted scents from Mr. Snuff. I am seriously considering building a snuff stockpile to see me through the painful wait from the time I click ORDER until my package arrives.

I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

Go ahead and rub it in. My typical wait is 2 weeks.

I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

Go ahead and rub it in. My typical wait is 2 weeks.

I apologise They seems to be a large interest in Torque outside the UK, and i’m trying to work out why, is that because of what I would consider a more american palate i.e peanut butter, marmalade, toffee etc or other reasons do you think

I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

Go ahead and rub it in. My typical wait is 2 weeks.

I apologise They seems to be a large interest in Torque outside the UK, and i’m trying to work out why, is that because of what I would consider a more american palate i.e peanut butter, marmalade, toffee etc or other reasons do you think

I think you’re on to something. I got toffee and peanut butter on my second order.

Between 1 and 2 kilos every 12 months.

I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

Go ahead and rub it in. My typical wait is 2 weeks.

I apologise They seems to be a large interest in Torque outside the UK, and i’m trying to work out why, is that because of what I would consider a more american palate i.e peanut butter, marmalade, toffee etc or other reasons do you think

I think you’re on to something. I got toffee and peanut butter on my second order.

This is what I’m thinking, there’s no way I’d buy toffee, peanut butter, cola, bubble gum etc etc nor would I buy toque. Wilsons have been making snuff since the beginning of the 17th century and torqe in caparison have been making it for 5 minutes

I’m very lucky Wilsons of Sharrow is 20 mins from my house by car, but I order online and within 24hrs it arrives through the letter box

Go ahead and rub it in. My typical wait is 2 weeks.

I apologise They seems to be a large interest in Torque outside the UK, and i’m trying to work out why, is that because of what I would consider a more american palate i.e peanut butter, marmalade, toffee etc or other reasons do you think

I think you’re on to something. I got toffee and peanut butter on my second order.

This is what I’m thinking, there’s no way I’d buy toffee, peanut butter, cola, bubble gum etc etc nor would I buy toque. Wilsons have been making snuff since the beginning of the 17th century and torqe in caparison have been making it for 5 minutes

Haha 5 minutes

For me, I do lean towards WoS over Toque, but I enjoy them both. I appreciate the time some of the companies have been making snuff, but I will never dismiss a newcomer to the game.

For me, I do lean towards WoS over Toque, but I enjoy them both. I appreciate the time some of the companies have been making snuff, but I will never dismiss a newcomer to the game.

My very first order ever was WoS natural and toque menthol just the other day which isn’t really a fair comparison but so far I prefer WoS for ease of snuffing ( the texture ) but When toque peanut butter gets here that might all change

For me, I do lean towards WoS over Toque, but I enjoy them both. I appreciate the time some of the companies have been making snuff, but I will never dismiss a newcomer to the game.

All I’ll say with century’s comes experience, many new companies will come along and try and imitate, imposter and sell to get there hands on WoS & Samuels Gawiths cash. But resorting to cheap gimmicks such as plastic bullets packaging etc with no snuff in it (1g) and torqe even costs way more then WoS and Samuel Gawiths which is just ridiculous

This is what I’m thinking, there’s no way I’d buy toffee, peanut butter, cola, bubble gum etc etc nor would I buy toque. Wilsons have been making snuff since the beginning of the 17th century and torqe in caparison have been making it for 5 minutes

I agree that Toque (not Torque) makes many snuffs with more “modern” scents, but so do WoS (founded in 1823, not in the beginning of the 17th century); Tangerine, Strawberry, Chocolate Orange, Ice Licorice etc. Samuel Gawith (founded in 1792) has many fruit and candy scented snuffs, as well; Apple, Banana, Toffee etc. Now, I’m not personally fan of fruit or candy snuff either, but I’d wish you wouldn’t dismiss Toque just by some of the flavorings they use. They make many fine snuffs, and some of them are my personal favourites (Camphor & Clove, Whiskey & Honey, SP Extra). I probably take more SG snuffs than from any other manufacturer, and yet really dislike all their fruit flavors I’ve tried.

For me, I do lean towards WoS over Toque, but I enjoy them both. I appreciate the time some of the companies have been making snuff, but I will never dismiss a newcomer to the game.

All I’ll say with century’s comes experience, many new companies will come along and try and imitate, imposter and sell to get there hands on WoS & Samuels Gawiths cash. But resorting to cheap gimmicks such as plastic bullets packaging etc with no snuff in it (1g) and torqe even costs way more then WoS and Samuel Gawiths which is just ridiculous

I am sorry but I really doubt that anyone who has actually tried Toque snuffs would share your sentiment.

This is what I’m thinking, there’s no way I’d buy toffee, peanut butter, cola, bubble gum etc etc nor would I buy toque. Wilsons have been making snuff since the beginning of the 17th century and torqe in caparison have been making it for 5 minutes

I agree that Toque (not Torque) makes many snuffs with more “modern” scents, but so do WoS (founded in 1823, not in the beginning of the 17th century); Tangerine, Strawberry, Chocolate Orange, Ice Licorice etc. Samuel Gawith (founded in 1792) has many fruit and candy scented snuffs, as well; Apple, Banana, Toffee etc. Now, I’m not personally fan of fruit or candy snuff either, but I’d wish you wouldn’t dismiss Toque just by some of the flavorings they use. They make many fine snuffs, and some of them are my personal favourites (Camphor & Clove, Whiskey & Honey, SP Extra). I probably take more SG snuffs than from any other manufacturer, and yet really dislike all their fruit flavors I’ve tried.

1737 WoS was established,

1737 WoS was established,

Right you are! I don’t where I pulled that year. Still not 17th century…

1737 WoS was established,

Right you are! I don’t where I pulled that year. Still not 17th century…

Obviously I meant the seventeen hundreds not the 17th century when I was typing the original message.

I think this idea that the age of the company producing the snuff determines its quality is a pile of cobblers. Apart from anything else, how would you explain the emergence of artisan snuff makers like Abraxas and SWS? They are self-created snuffmakers who have emerged in the past ten years and they produce snuff that is some of the best that’s made. It’s quite possible for a new snuffmaker to acquire old recipes and skills from people with vast experience, by purchasing it or listening carefully or whatever. No denying that some of the old companies produce some nice TINS, with quaint old fonts and dubious royal patents and so on all over them.

ShaunS All I’ll say with century’s comes experience, many new companies will come along and try and imitate, imposter and sell to get there hands on WoS & Samuels Gawiths cash. But resorting to cheap gimmicks such as plastic bullets packaging etc with no snuff in it (1g) and torqe even costs way more then WoS and Samuel Gawiths which is just ridiculous

Sorry to disagree but in my opinion Toque is not in any way trying to make imitatons or “imposter” snuffs. Toque are genuine English snuffs, some more classic (SP extra, Original, St. Clements, Violet, etc) some innovative (Pomegranate, Lime toast, Cheese & Bacon) other are homages (Spanish Gem, Berwick Brown) but always with their own personality and never attributing the originality of the idea. Since the beginning makers copied in some way the most popular blends of their competitors, for an example search “Kendal Brown” and see how many makers have their own versions… Apart from that I don’t see how having different sized packages according to the demand can be bad. Let me say that Toque´s tins are the BEST pocket-size tins out there in terms of ease of use and airtight capability. As I see Toque is a company with one foot on the tradition and the other in the future, succeeding in bringing snuff out of the past and into today using any means possible wich, to me, it´s not a bad thing. Sorry if I sound mean, I don´t pretend it, but I hate to see someone disqualified with arguments like not be old enough or tricky packages…

As I see Toque is a company with one foot on the tradition and the other in the future succeeding in bringing snuff out of the past and into today using any means possible wich, to me, it´s not a bad thing.

This is a key point. If we only relied on past customs and traditions we would all be having this discussion via telegraph!

As a director of a company myself I tend to look into things from a business point of view hence my initial strong views on toque packaging… 1g Toque bullet £3.00 (average) 25g WoS £3.00 (average) So with WoS your getting 24 times more snuff for the same price, now either Toque have “a foot in the future” with innovative brilliant packaging or it’s designed to make money. Now considering you can buy bullets online in bulk for 20-40p and 1g worth of snuff is worth next to nothing it clear its about the money. That was my initial point that didn’t come across as well as it could have

@ShaunS‌: Don’t buy bullets. Buy the 25 gram tins of Toque. Problem solved.

I alway assumed that smaller quantity meant higher price and viceversa so by choosing the smallest package you must assume that you are being charged the highest cost… actually you can buy Toque´s 25g for £3.43 in their homepage so they are not that expensive compared to WoS. Anyway we´re here to talk about bulk, i´m a light snuffer so my anual estimated consumption must be aroud 400 gr.

As a director of a company myself I tend to look into things from a business point of view hence my initial strong views on toque packaging… 1g Toque bullet £3.00 (average) 25g WoS £3.00 (average) So with WoS your getting 24 times more snuff for the same price, now either Toque have “a foot in the future” with innovative brilliant packaging or it’s designed to make money.

Any business that isn’t designed to make money is called a charity, so as a businessman you don’t like Toque because it isn’t a charity? If the business your a director of isn’t designed to make money than you would no longer be the director

As a director of a company myself I tend to look into things from a business point of view hence my initial strong views on toque packaging… 1g Toque bullet £3.00 (average) 25g WoS £3.00 (average) So with WoS your getting 24 times more snuff for the same price, now either Toque have “a foot in the future” with innovative brilliant packaging or it’s designed to make money.

Any business that isn’t designed to make money is called a charity, so as a businessman you don’t like Toque because it isn’t a charity? If your business isn’t designed to make money than your not much of a businessman

were the consumers remember, were the one paying the money, you’ve completely missed the point. Were the consumers who are paying not the the ones who are profiteering. Toque bullets are marketed for profit, therefore speaking on behalf of the consumers they would pay for the bullets but receive nothing for the money, if they choose to do so. I’m not much of a business man, your a idiot.

It was to me interesting, when on this thread the comment “many new companies will come along and try and imitate, imposter and sell to get there hands on WoS & Samuels Gawiths cash” But it isn’t their (WoS, SG) cash! It is ours, the snuff buying public’s cash. So if the snuff buying public decides to buy a product, say a bullet containg a small amount of snuff on sale for a price - then that is up to them. If that product doesn’t sell for some reason, maybe over priced then the public won’t buy it & the seller will withdraw the product as they won’t be making any money. Maybe a bullet containing a small amount appeals to some folk. For me I never pass final judgment on a snuff until I have consumed a 25g tin.

you’ve missed the point, wilsons & SG have been making snuff for century’s… so along comes Toque to get there piece of the market share (there cash). The English tobacconists won’t sell it, and mytobaccoshop.co.uk won’t sell it, so it targets the foreign market. Now I hear foreigners talking about toque genuine English snuff. Now I’m English, in England with English tobacconists thinking …hmmm. Anyway it doesn’t matter

I’m going to start looking into some bulks so go with my Tom Buck,I like the idea of the american scotch’s and stronger flavoured naturals, SP’s and scented

@ShaunS who are you calling an idiot? I’m not the one who doesn’t understand how supply and demand works yet “claims” to be the director of a company. Your just a liar who makes up stories to give himself false credibility Your the director of a company like I’m the King of England

your a fucking idiot. I’ll explain one more time before I leave because I’ve got a company to run. Snuff was at its peek in 1700’s, snuff that was manufactured in 1700’s is the genuine English snuff. Get that simpleton?. Ok, so if I create a snuff and create a snuff company tomorrow that doesn’t make it genuine English snuff does it?..it’s just some snuff invented in England. The product looks tacky, the bullets look tacky the whole thing is designed to make people part with there money as quickly as possible. I shall delete my profile from this fucking clown show

So snuff invented and produced in England is NOT genuine English snuff? Sound kind of stupid to me but who is an idiot like me to argue with a genius businessman like yourself

So snuff invented and produced in England is NOT genuine English snuff? Sound kind of stupid to me but who is an idiot like me to argue with a genius businessman like yourself

The swearing and arguing aside lol, I heard so many comments on here about genuine English snuff, and I’m not saying that people can’t create new snuffs, and that there not enjoyable snuffs. But it some cases it’s clear that some company’s are about profit and some are about designing snuff for the people because there passionate about it. The company’s that design without passion are profit makers. Wilsons was about passion, but with arrivals such as Toque, viking and stuffstores own they have been forced to go from passion to profit, and that’s a real shame. Quality product has become profit product and thats when snuffers lose out

I am of the opinion that fresh snuffs are best. Even the best storage techniques still face the opponent of time. There are aging conditions that can provide wonderful snuffs for lifetimes so buying in bulk can be useful in cost saving. Plain snuffs are best for long term storage which makes Toque’s Quit and Natural perfect choices. In fact W.O.S. is now producing its own plain variety following the modern snuff makers lead. As far as amounts of snuff to purchase in bulk goes, it is not unheard of to be buried in your stocks of snuff.

And you are the final judge on whether a company makes snuff for passion or for profit? Remember Viking & SnuffStore are both made by Sam Gawith (one of your listed snuff companies that apparently make snuff for pleasure & not for profit) DREAMLAND !!!

Sam Gawith have been forced to create a sideline product to generate extra profits to compete against the every increasing manufacturers of snuff. It’s typical business for example benson & hedges cigarettes, created sovereign then B&H silver to compete against the competition to stay in business…who loses out, the consumer. If people stuck with the original manufactures they would invest in research and design to create more quality snuff rather then sideline profit snuff.

Sam Gawith makes those snuffs cause My Smoking Shop and Snuffstore asked them to. Is that a bad thing?

Sam Gawith makes those snuffs cause My Smoking Shop and Snuffstore asked them to. Is that a bad thing?

It is if I’m honest, the more sideline alternatives a company offers in order to increase profits damages future research and design. So instead of Tom Buck you end up with brown powder in bag, N powder in a tube lol. If everyone said well we want the next super snuff and invested in the original classic manufacturers we would have it, but like all products the more we invest into alternative or sideline you don’t get that super snuff…that snuff that’s makes you go wow…things just go into decline

Sam Gawith makes those snuffs cause My Smoking Shop and Snuffstore asked them to. Is that a bad thing?

It is if I’m honest, the more sideline alternatives a company offers in order to increase profits damages future research and design. So instead of Tom Buck you end up with brown powder in bag, N powder in a tube lol. If everyone said well we want the next super snuff and invested in the original classic manufacturers we would have it, but like all products the more we invest into alternative or sideline you don’t get that super snuff…that snuff that’s makes you go wow…things just go into decline

Could one of you guys from England translate this for me cause I don’t follow. Sorry.

I am from England and a business man. The bottom line is the less money you invest in original manufactures the less profits they have and the less they invest in research and design and passion about there work. So instead of snuff created by people who are passionate about snuff creation you end up with snuff created for profit driven purposes only (crap basically). The future of snuff depends on your investment into the original manufactures so they can invest in there research and design departments

In context with your previous posts this makes no sense to me. I really think @ShaunS‌ is @Roderick‌ and he is just screwing around with us. I am outta here, gotta work a double. Will check back on this train wreck later.

Although it seems to be that where companies get on the bandwagon solely for profit the average product quality is diminished (as I believe may happen in the UK with ale) Toque make very good snuff in my opinion.

I’ve only tried two brands, and I have to defend Toque in this instance. My opinion may not mean jack but I enjoy Toque brand a lot. I bought the 10 for 9 bundle and have been pleased with what I got.

Although it seems to be that where companies get on the bandwagon solely for profit the average product quality is diminished (as I believe may happen in the UK with ale) Toque make very good snuff in my opinion.

That may be the case, but as soon as the consumer (us) goes to the alternative product rather then the main original snuff products it’s the start of the downward spiral. They then (Toque) have to compete with more new alternative snuff manufacturers or side lines and the original snuff manufactures have less money for research and development (R&D) and snuff development goes into decline. And as for Lunecat you speak like your name says. If you don’t understand basic business that don’t get involved in the conversation

The question is whether competition stimulates the marketplace and the consumer benefits from a better product. I’d say yes to this where the motive isn’t purely profit.

Some of the best snuffs are not for sale and are given as gifts this is true.

So now your arguing companies need to invest money into R&D to keep their product the SAME and without money to invest into R&D they have to CHANGE their product to compete with the competition. I am now convinced your just fucking with us because nothing you say makes any sense.

I started my snuff “journey” with Toque. If not for Toque (and Roderick telling me about Snuffhouse) I would have never tried any those “original” manufacturers. If someone wanted to start a new business with the sole of making a profit… I hardly think nasal tobacco would be the logical choice! If anybody’s looking for strictly profit, I would think it would be the larger corporations that sell many types of tobacco along with other products. Just my opinion of course.

If we had just invested more into horses and not cars, buggywhip manufacturers would still be in business making the best buggy whips evah!

I have accused @Roderick‌ of tending to other interests rather than snuff making. Attention to these interests however has proven to result in new snuffs. All of us here relish the modern snuff makers adventures. I would imagine that if you only used one type of snuff your whole life that you would not be missing much. Needless to say that if you get to try every known snuff you would still be missing something.

Lot of relative newbies on this forum recently who seem to go out of their way to be rude and contentious. Any possibilty that some of them are reincarnations of previously banned members?

And regarding the new snuffs / old snuffs argument, I’d like to quote Sir Issac Newton: “If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants.”

Wow. I guess we’re not talking about bulk snuff any more then? I had my own business in the UK for over a decade (before emigrating to the States) While I can kinda sorta see @shauns’s point about the commercialization of snuff that Toque has brought about, I also understand it from Roderick’s point of view. I have enjoyed experimenting with making snuff. Maybe Roderick did the same, and then (like Abraxas) thought ‘Hey, I could sell this stuff!’ Maybe Roderick saw the forthcoming smoking bans and decided to market a smokeless tobacco product. Only Roderick knows this, and to be frank, it’s none of anybody’s goddamn business except his. He makes excellent snuff, and his product stands up in a free-market economy. If it was crap, nobody would buy it when they have other offerings from WoS etc. My personal feeling is that I like the history behind snuff, and buying products from makers that are hundreds of years old is part of the joy I derive from my habit. I certainly enjoy Toque snuffs too, though and I would be shooting myself in the foot if I shunned them out of principal. As any competent buisnessperson understands, competition is not necessarily good for business, but it is good for consumers. It offers them wider choice, and encourages businesses to research and develop their products to stay in the game. Stating that having an extra competitor in the business will reduce research and development is comically ass-backwards. Having a monopoly causes businesses to stagnate and the consumers to lose out. I was in the tattoo business. In the old days, tattooists used to deal with competition with arson, kneecappings and intimidation. That has since (mostly) passed, and now we have genuine artists tattooing. The tattoos are far better, and the customers have won. I love the old snuff makers, and if they went out of business because of Toque (very unlikely) then I would be gutted. I think Toque is simply providing a very good product for consumers, and very healthy competition for the old snuff mills.

So now your arguing companies need to invest money into R&D to keep their product the SAME and without money to invest into R&D they have to CHANGE their product to compete with the competition. I am now convinced your just fucking with us because nothing you say makes any sense.

I have to keep explaining because your not understanding?, are you English or? Now you insult me and be rude to me when I spend some of my very valuable time explaining a very valid point about why people should not be drawn into purchasing relatively new brands because of the damage it causes to the initial brands for obvious development reasons. Now I’m certainly not going to waste any more time on you because it’s more then clear to me that you just don’t understand., and if you don’t understand then the conversation is finished.

Thank god for that!

The thread has gone way off topic now and descended into name calling. I’m closing it before it goes any further. If the OP wishes to start a new thread on the original topic then I encourage them to do this, any off topic posts in that thread will be deleted.