I recieved some Copenhagen Straight Long cut. I’m used to tobacco flavours in my mouth. This in no way prepared me for this stuff. I’ve descibed the effect as similar to barbeque sauce in the mouth. Is this normal for this style? Are all these sorts loaded with sugar and flavourings? Can some one fill me in on the varieties of this stuff available. Are there straight tobacco tasting sorts or are they all variations on food flavourings with a ton of sugar?

As far as I can tell, “Straight” is a bit misleading. It is a distinct flavor with heavy tones of licorice. There is a slight variation in some brands but the flavor description is basically the same. I used Straight flavored dip for a couple of years until the taste just finally started getting to me. I don’t even like the smell of it any more. But I know lots of guys that only dip Straight flavored snuff and refuse to switch.

Yep. When I put it in it tasted like heavily flavoured sweet meat sauce. It settles down to a more tolerable richer flavour. Still very sweet. By the time I’ve used my 10 cans, will I be looking for more? One more weapon in my arsenal of weapons against just burning the stuff and breathing it in. So, can you tell me Spyro, is there a more natural flavoured variant of this stuff, without so much sugar and that taste of HP sauce and syrup?

If you want a more natural taste, go with copenagen snuff (fine cut) or long cut. As Spyro said, straight is anything but.

Ah well, you live and learn. I think I would have preferred that. This stuff is DIFFERENT. I’m thinking molasses, but then I don’t know anything about molasses. Say…liquorice, sugar, molasses, sugar, anyone else have a take on the flavourings? Very different. Quite a good nic delivery system though. Don’t think I’ll be rushing to place an order for cope snuff. Takes around five or six weeks to get here.

@Petersuki: PM me. I can hook you up much faster. The stuff is everywhere here.

Thanks Xander, I may well be back to you. This ‘Straight’ as I have learned is anything but straight tobacco - you can forgive the mistake though. You have to be acquainted to know it means the opposite. Have you got any take on the less flavoured dips? Or is that just Rooster for the mouth? What’s available in the line of ‘straight’ (or perhaps I should say ‘natural’) plugs or twists? Meanwhile the smokeless quest continues with many twists and turns.

@petersuki … you could try to stay safe(a la TNSAs) and go with Timberwolf Natural Moist Snuff … it is produced in the same manner as Swedish Match snus … good natural flavor, to me at least, although in general I do not prefer it over snus … Red Man and Timberwolf were described to snuffpub as being about as safe as snus … as most moist snuff and chew have come a long way …

Yep. Might try the Timberwolf at some time. Not too concerned about TSNAs since I don’t chew huge amounts…At the moment I’m using snus and twist. The oral habit develops fast. Might come to you later after some Redman/Timberwolf. Many Thanks.

Cope snuff is good, and the smaller cut gives a much larger nic hit.

Straight is not ‘plain’ as it would seem. Don’t judge all moist snuff on your experience. Something funny about the straight flavor that doesn’t agree with me. Cope makes a decent wintergreen. Stokers has a good wintergreen and some of the best loose chew plain and Apple that I’ve had for a reasonable price.,Imo. You would probably like the plain Copenhagen, though,Petersuki. As far as meat sauce goes, I recommend A-1 Steak sauce, but all the steaks I eat are the ground up kind.

Bart. I’ll definately use this stuff, but molasses and liquorice and sugar is not what I’m looking for in tobacco. It does pack a punch though, which is good. I’ll try some non-straight stuff later. It just reminded me of some of those really sweet sauces used sometimes in BBQ meat. English twist, snus and a bit of Cope from time to time + snuff as we know it - don’t think I’ll bother to smoke my pipes tonight.

I used only cope fine cut and red seal fine cut natural flavor. Didn’t like the flavoered types as I grew older. edm

So it looks like the next research is going to be fine cut natural. Will probably be approaching Xander in order to get the stuff in less than six months. Thanks for all who have given me some idea of these types. Who knows, I may get to really like it, - but I’m opposed on the principle that I use very little sugar in coffee, tea or anywhere else. I wouldn’t want to make heavy sugar consumption part of my tobacco habit.

i would second Red Man as well … since it is also produced in the same manner as Timberwolf, Swedish Match family. Course, for moist snuff … well, Ettan Los is the bomb of course!

Snuffbrant I’m looking into Ettan Los. That and Redman may be the next try.

I disliked the red man fine cut natural, was like dipping sweat soaked carpet, ground to powder. Not nearly as nice as the Odens Extreme snus I currently use. This is the only natural dip i have tried and I am yet to try the original style copenhagen. I love the copenhagen lc straight, but as you say it is rather sweet and it is an unusual flavour. I kind of got a root beer kind of flavour from it, but now you mention it it is a half half mix of root beer and sweet barbecue sauce!

I’m a fan Oden’s Extreme. I’ve half a dozen tubs left. Levels can get very high with this. A small piece of Kendall twist develops slowly but gets just about as strong in my view. It’s these flavours I’m used to as you can tell. Cope will my desert or sweet ‘pudding’ chew. Not much of a sweet tooth here.

I think the Cope Original was a good suggestion. However, if you are new to dipping you might want to start with the long cut. Fine cut can be hard to control in your mouth without practice. There is, or at least was, a “Natural” flavor floating around at one time. That one I recall as being a truly plain and natural tobacco, tho not as tastey as it sounds. Hard to go wrong with regular Copenhagen tho.

What the heck - I love to try all these varieties. I seem to have a place for just about all the different forms I’ve bought. I’ve seen lots of American films with people with bulges in their faces and spits. I now know approximately what is going on!

ettan los packs well and delivers nice nicotine and flavor, and the beauty of snus of course is no spitting … anyway, ettan los is natural, wonderful tobacco with chocolate untertones … i am in the minority on Oden’s, though, i found it to be way too peppery and didn’t find the tobacco to rise past it. Good for 22mg of nicotine, no burn … but just not my speed, flavor-wise. I am looking forward to trying Extreme Kanel, though, No. 59 … i think the cinnamon will do that snus some good.

I’m for snus because it’s so discrete. As you say, no spit. I’m becoming quite confident at snuffing nasal snuff in coffee shops and so on. However, I’m not sure that this is a good thing. The more people who see me openly using nasal snuff, the more people, in my view, will be tempted to tell me that it is a wicked thing to do, for one reason or another. I have just taken another pinch of the straight cope. Definately need my tea with this one. The flavour settles down after a while, but I think it must be snus for me. Twist is lovely but I can see that people who are used to this level of adulteration in their tobacco would find that unbelievably plain. Cope does pack a punch. Re Oden’s I find that just one puff of my pipe with this in my mouth is an immediate overdose.

Cope has 24mg Nic and Odens extreme has 22mg. so the dose is close. edm

P-- As a long-time, former, Cope user, I second (or 3rd or 4th?) the comments here. When I needed a new tin, but regular Cope was unavailable I would unhappily settle for the long-cut. A different animal. Also–after a while I found that I wasn’t spitting with regular Cope. Hell, I began using it as an alternative to leaf so I could do it with class in class.

@petersuki: No problem. Just let me know when you are ready. I haven’t really used dip in like 10 or 15 years, and in those days there were not so many flavors. Regular Copenhagen was what I used most of the time. It does have a bit of geranium in it, but its mostly plain. They didn’t have “straight” in those days. Technically it was the first thing I actually tried to snuff, as in nasally. That was rather a painful experience.

Xander, thanks, - now snuffing this stuff WOULD be a handful. Still you’ve placed the idea in my head… Least-Weasel. You know a heck of a lot more than I do about this stuff. I don’t take that huge face boggling pinch. I take a snus portion amount, stick it in the lower side of my gob and use a gallons of tea and no spit. Seems to work OK.

No, not the stuff you have. The traditional Copenhagen (fine cut) is actually much finer and could actually be used nasally. It might even be a finer cut than Taxi or Ntsu, though I’ve never seen them side by side.

Sounds like you might conduct an experiment to see whether, with the experience you now have, trad Cope is a viable nasal snuff. I tried dipping Rooster, I think I lacked a stick or something - now that WAS a disaster. I’ll get back to you when I’ve checked out plugs and twists in the US. I am reasonably confident that I don’t want anything that’s been anywhere near molasses or sugar. I might be open for a deal with some one in the UK who wants to try his/her tobacco with sugar, molasses and liquorice (and perhaps other unamed agents) and doesn’t want to wait six weeks to get their hands on it.

If you don’t want sugar in your tobacco, you will want to avoid most of the U.S. plugs, as they are heavily sauced with molasses to the point of stickiness. If there is a natural plug out there, I have never encountered it.

There are some unflavored twists though, Cottonboll being one example.

Tybalt Thanks for the advice. You’ve saved time and money. I’ll look into Cottonboll straight away. Generally I’m always on the look out for the stuff that has not had a lot of processing.

You might want to check out lilbrown.com. They have one of the better online inventories american smokeless products, and they ship internationally.

Oh, one additional thought: most American looseleaf chewing tobaccos are heavily sweetened, but there are a couple that are plain. The ones that I am aware of are Mail Pouch and Havanna Blossom, although there may be others. The well known ones such as Redman and Beechnut have a lot of sugar.

I think sweetening is unecessary, but then I don’t put sugar into tea or coffee. I found a 32 dollar bag of Cotton Boll but have been unable to find any review. I wonder how it compares with Kendall Twists. These are the last remaining twists in the UK as far as I know. There is no serious noticeable attempt to sweeten the ones which I have tried though I have avoided things like apple and other flavours. I like the dark unpromising taste of natural tobacco. It occurs to me that a person who used a lot of Cope Straight would be consuming a huge amount of sugar whatever else. The effect on teeth and gums would be a double whammy. If as you say sweetening is almost universal then I can rule all these out without any further bother.

We’ve got several contacts in the American moist snuff industry, and believe me when I say that there’s not one brand of dip (aside from the Swedish Match/Pinkerton brands) that doesn’t use a quantity of sugar in their recipe, although it’s nowhere near as much as chewing tobacco. All of the Copenhagen flavors have hickory and molasses in the mix, and even the Swedish Match brands use artificial sweeteners. Americans simply do not go for tobacco that isn’t sweetened to some degree. So while there’s no such thing as “plain tobacco-flavored moist snuff” on the American market, you can always go Swedish and order some Ettan or Göteborgs Prima Fint. Those two brands are the purest products I can think of in that they consist of nothing but tobacco, water and salt. However, if you want to try 100% pure, flavorless snuff that doesn’t even contain salt, I can give you some snus next time I make a batch and just leave out the flavoring. It tastes like dirt and kicks like a mule on PCP. Mick and I had some in Sweden that came straight from the oven and it was so strong in nicotine that I almost puked off of a dime-sized kernel

Interesting stuff Snuffpub. Hickory, yes, some flavour like that with the molasses and the sugar. These are not tastes I’m used to. You know, I’ve almost decided that I’ll just stick to Odens for the kick and a bit of twist for the flavour and regular boost of nick. Apparently it doesn’t get better than that, - though I might try the Ettan. Your snuff experiments sound interesting too. PM me when you are brewing!

Cotton Boll twist is air cured green river burley (I believe I read this somewhere but not sure where). It is pure tobacco taste, and it has none of the dark fired or sugar taste. It has a strong natural tobacco taste.

Sounds like the one I must have to try. Thanks. I think everything else I can disregard then. Thanks all for your info.

I’d be happy to send you a twist or two. I bought 12 of them from lil browns a few months ago. You can PM me your address.

My own experience was that once you go to traditional Copenhagen (fine cut), there is no turning back. Took me 20yrs to convert to snuff, a choice Im happy with. You will like the Cope-fine cut. Its made to be liked … and much less sugar too!

Is cope fine cut copenhagen snuff? Here in BC all we have is copenhagen long cut straight, and copenhagen snuff. The great thing about oral tobacco for me is that I can use it as much as I want and I never get cravings for it.

In dealing with dip, I feel like no matter what it’s flavored like, it all has a sort of beef jerky type taste to the tobacco. I know some people dip on here, but I just couldn’t do it.

If I’m not mistaken, Copenhagen comes in at least three ‘cuts’. Fine, Long, and some new medium version. For many years fine cut was the default cut. Starting in the 90s I began noticing the addition of long cut. I don’t recall seeing a modern can that doesn’t specify the grind but if it doesn’t then I would expect it to be fine cut.

Fine cut has the best taste but it just falls apart in the lip too often.

@petersuki lemme know if you need any sent to you. As Xander said- it’s VERY prominent here. I can get just about any type of “chew” you want.

Reading this thread has rekindled my desire to try some American oral tobacco. Whilst straight doesn’t sound to be my cup of tea, the fact that dip is sweetened seems like a positive, to me at least! Anyone ordered from Lil’ Brown to the UK? My only concern is getting stung with taxes on this end…

Just a word of advice/caution. I think American chew can rot the HELL out of your teeth. I personally don’t like Chew and think it ruins tobacco. I like subtle scents and whatnot and most chew is loaded with sugars and flavors and whatnot. It’s just yucky to me.

Thanks for all the kind offers to supply me from the US. I hear from MarK W that there are still some plain genuine US twists to be had and I’m going to come looking for them…Once I’ve got through this Cope (I refuse to let it go to waste, but I wash those in your face flavours out as soon as I can, with gallons of tea). It’s reminding me of eating treacle years ago…

I agree with transistor. Some chews are something I have for occasion. As far as dips I’ve been snusing heavier then I’ve ever diped. I have more gum rot from the dip I used to do then from the los snus I do now. They also burn the heck out of your mouth if you’re not used to them. Most of the flavors are candish and lack subtlty. I do use loose leaf on occasion though which although candish it’s still a nice rich tobacco candish. I really recommend trying plugs or twists if you can.

Dip does definitely rot your mouth. after a can of dip my lip feels like a piece of leather. Thats why I dip on occasion. Chew is another story, I have never had any strange feeling on my cheek after a bag of chew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5514hBeIGCs Skoal Brutha! LOL!!

HA! That was the best

@transistor @Brandasaur Absolutely - total mouth rot in my case. I had Cope-fine in my lip 80% of the time for many years. Dental bill is $8K is still counting. Im suspicious of the lozenges as well but there is no good research. Thus, I snuff.

It’s my duty to please that booty