What is “SP”? Small pinch? Sandwich party? Secret police? What is Toast, and is there a difference between toast and scotch? How is American scotch different than… Scottish scotch? Thanks!
SP is usually citrusy, bergamot scented, to enhance the tobacco flavour. not sure what it stands for. Toast is literally toasted, so often smokyish. i find it to be far more appealing than scotch. Im not sure on the differences… other than i much prefer toasts to the scotches ive tried (superior, garrett). i dont like the artificial smelling smoke in scotch. there isnt a scottish scotch really, unless you are referring to the whisky. in which case you sniff one, and smell then drink the other, ill leave it to you to discover which.
there isnt a scottish scotch really, unless you are referring to the whisky. in which case you sniff one, and smell then drink the other, ill leave it to you to discover which.
Insightful, thank you. The reason I ask is I’ve seen some snuff referred to as “American scotch”, and others simply as “Scotch”. Perhaps there’s no distinction?
nope. are these references online?
There is a Samuel Gawith Scotch that isn’t anything like American BBQ scotch.
but thats scotch black. its a black snuff. it is the same as american scotch in scent from memory, but is coarse and moist.
Here is an article which briefly tells of how Scotch Snuff first came into the picture historically speaking. It seems to have been a brand name of a certain American produced snuff when it first came out. Apparantly it was unique enough to become a very genre of snuff… it’s smoked and plain; where as toast is toasted directly (like the difference between fried and smoked meat). http://snuffhouse.org/discussion/7028/levi-garrett-sons#latest So Scotch has nothing to do with Scotland in the Snuff world… Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone.
Thanks for the responses, guys. That’s helpful.
@Firestarter0 there is also the SP Scotch, which is a rather robust SP; nothing to do with smokiness. @Mario84 if you dig a bit deeper you will find that its origins are indeed in Scotland. The Garretts were Scottish emigrants to the New World and brought the knowledge of snuff making with them. They made the type they already knew. There are plenty of historical references in our library (many books there, but I don’t have time now to look for specific sources) that reference scotch snuff and describe it in several ways, one being the one we know well as very fine and dry and smoky. They also will tell you that this in turn was learned from the Irish which makes scotch snuffs cousins to the Irish Toast. That style (along with another cousin: Welsh) seem to have died out in Britain, but the Irish remains as do the Scotch Black and SP Scotch (though I’m not clear on the origins of the latter two though I suspect a connection.) The three Celtic countries were about a century ahead of England in using snuff commonly. The English didn’t take to it until the famous “Spanish Prize” shipment was captured and popularized, but the Scots- probably due to the influence of their close alliance of the age with France were snuffing well before. The French made it all high fashion at first even earlier. This alliance is still part of the Scots history and vernacular and the Sir Walter Scott snuff “Auld Alliance” is an homage to that.
There are plenty of historical references in our library (many books there, but I don’t have time now to look for specific sources) that reference scotch snuff and describe it in several ways, one being the one we know well as very fine and dry and smoky. They also will tell you that this in turn was learned from the Irish which makes scotch snuffs cousins to the Irish Toast. That style (along with another cousin: Welsh) seem to have died out in Britain, but the Irish remains as do the Scotch Black and SP Scotch (though I’m not clear on the origins of the latter two though I suspect a connection.) The three Celtic countries were about a century ahead of England in using snuff commonly. The English didn’t take to it until the famous “Spanish Prize” shipment was captured and popularized, but the Scots- probably due to the influence of their close alliance of the age with France were snuffing well before. The French made it all high fashion at first even earlier. This alliance is still part of the Scots history and vernacular and the Sir Walter Scott snuff “Auld Alliance” is an homage to that.
Interesting. Thank you.
If you want a good SP Look no farther It’s Abraxas St.Casura Toasts Wilsons #22 or F&T HDT are my go to toasts for plain Toque make some great flavored toast Honest scotch was my favorite for smokiness and Square is my next. Sweet scotchs have there place also, explore at your leisure
@basement_shaman Thanks for the tips, I’ll pick a few of those up. BTW, I’m not familiar with sweet scotch - could you give me some examples of those?
@LumberJack W.E. Garret Sweet,American Peach, Carhart’s sweet, Honey bee, Swisher Wild Cherry and there are others like Navy sweet , Railroad Mills Sweet, Swisher Society, Swisher Strawberry. Checkerberry {peptobismol scent}, Swisher Dixie [fruity],Tops sweet. Check out the market place thread; I believe @Xander [senior SH member] has some currently available. You should Personal Message him for details.
tube rose is a fairly mild sweet scotch that I enjoy. less sweet that w.e. garret sweet mild at least.
tube rose is a fairly mild sweet scotch that I enjoy. less sweet that w.e. garret sweet mild at least.
Bleh, Tube Rose was the first snuff I tried because it is one of the two snuffs I can find in my area. It almost turned me off to snuff completely. I don’t recommend it for anyone, especially beginners. It didn’t have a good aroma and choked me every time.
Right. Take the best quality looted Spanish snuff -Polvo Sevillano or Seville Powder-, try to make an imitation, resulting in a barely similar though nice snuff, call it SP and there you have a successful typical english product.