Spreadsheet: Ingredients of Poeschl,Bernards and Swedish Match

Another correction: there’s sodium carbonate (decahydrate) amount indicated in sodium sulphate row. If my memory doesn’t fail, there is no sodium sulphate in Bernard, Poschl, Arnold Andre (Swedish Match) and Sternecker snuffs.

@volunge no its sodium sulphate which is only in all of the poeschl products which made me wonder about its function so i asked poschl they denied using it and asked what specific products so i told them nearly all (except pure schmalzlers) and pointed them to their own data but no further reply was recieved by me

Are there any updates of composition data available already, Sunny? Just checked old data sheets (2011) of some Poschl snuffs and haven’t found any Na2SO4 among the ingredients. For example, Bayern Prise (https://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?detail\_id=104968&site\_key=153&stichw\_suche=poschl&zeilenzahl\_zaehler=26).
The amount of supposed sodium sulphate (1,621 mg) for Bayern Prise in your spreadsheet coincides with the amount of sodium carbonate (1,621 mg) indicated in data sheet, publicised at BMEL (it’s named CARBONATE, [SODIUM SALT, 10-HYDRATE] there).

@volunge huh… thanks for pointing that out must have been an error that dragged trough but im not sure how that could happen as i was very curious about that to even even mail them. oh well my apologies!

on the bright side that means i can mix poeschl and bernards without fearing unwanted reactions of sulfur and calcium hydroxide into gypsum :slight_smile:
i happened to get out the gletscherprise earlier today that i forgot about for a while and its very nice. furthers the realisation that snuff is like food a bit even if you have a favorite food you love if you eat it all day you wont enjoy it as much. im not having much of a problem mixing it up because i nearly love all snuffs and those i dont like i can count on one hand.

:)>- & ;))

@SunnyDay, I’ve just found info about Poschl snuffs composition at Italian Customs and Monopolies Agency website. It concerns snuffs available on Italy’s market. I mean, it wouldn’t be suprising if Poschl used different recipes for production of the ‘same’ snuffs for different markets at the same time. Actually, it’s a common practice among many manufacturers in various industries.

I made a quick comparison of 2010/2014 Italian and 2011 German data sheets. Declared compositions of the ‘same’ snuffs sold in these two countries are different.

https://www.agenziadoganemonopoli.gov.it/portale/documents/20182/1108481/2010-Poschl+Tabak+GmbH+Co.+KG-tabacco+da+fiuto-tabella+prodotti.xls/8bda9514-4146-4e0b-b0f4-98b381a21394?version=1.0&t=1456163849107&download=true

https://www.agenziadoganemonopoli.gov.it/portale/documents/20182/1108481/2014+-+Poschl+Tabak+GmbH+and+Co.+-+tabacco+da+fiuto+-+tabella+prodotti.xls/0776d6d2-8092-47de-87af-d143e3cafae3?version=1.0&t=1456165071822&download=true

If provided links don’t work, go to https://www.agenziadoganemonopoli.gov.it and run a search for the files named “2014 - Poschl Tabak GmbH and Co. - tabacco da fiuto - tabella prodotti.xls” and “2010-Poschl Tabak GmbH Co. KG-tabacco da fiuto-tabella prodotti.xls”.

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Another interesting document - constituent comparisson in smokeless tobacco products used in Europe:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helena\_Digard/publication/267707693\_Constituent\_comparison\_in\_smokeless\_tobacco\_products\_used\_in\_Europe/links/54f5d4690cf2ca5efefd345f/Constituent-comparison-in-smokeless-tobacco-products-used-in-Europe.pdf

See the results table below for hazardous constituents (nitrites, TSNAs etc.), moisture, pH and nicotine. A bit outdated, but sightworthy nevertheless.

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Another link to the same study, just in case the link provided above doesn’t work: http://www.bat-science.com/groupms/sites/bat\_9gvjxs.nsf/vwPagesWebLive/DO7AXL9M/$FILE/medMD7DTDGU.pdf?openelement

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Old, but still interesting data of chemical analyses for some of the major nasal snuff brands produced and sold in Europe, supplied by Swedish Match in 2007:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091014170910/http://www.smokeless.org.nz/nasalsnuff\_analyses.pdf

This confirms my guess that strongest mentholated snuffs have high pH rates. Hedges - 10.2, Kensington - 9.6.

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thank you both for the interesting info!

It seems combusted tobacco causes some genes to become cancerous by up to 60x while smokeless tobacco does not.  I am sure there are still dangers but not as much when compared to combusted tobacco. I found this info in the link below, Thanks to volunge

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316712194\_AKR1C1\_as\_a\_Biomarker\_for\_Differentiating\_the\_Biological\_Effects\_of\_Combustible\_from\_Non-Combustible\_Tobacco\_Products

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Ingredients of Swedish match snus:

https://www.swedishmatch.com/Our-business/Snus-and-moist-snuff/Ingredients-in-snus/

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Very interesting document. I’m not surprised by all the different ingredients. The only ones on the list I use are Polar Prise, Lowenprise, and Alpine. Sometimes I like the schmalzlers, but not often enough to buy them regularly. I prefer English snuff these days primarily.

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@mrmanos, indeed, really helpful. I can’t find my favourite Kensington anywhere, so I just made my own from that round tap tin of dried-out J&H Wilson SP No.1. Menthol, eucalyptus and lavender. Beautiful!

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@volunge if I wanted to add an thick oil, say sandalwood, to a snuff would it need thinning down a bit first. If so with what?

@Betty_BW Yes, you need to thin it down to facilitate mixing. I use pure ethanol (96%), a mere mililitre is enough for thinning few drops of essential oil. I haven’t tried adding sandalwood oil, though, but the amount of e.o needed for scenting snuff varies greatly from oil to oil. For instance, it takes only one drop of lavender oil to scent 5 grams of snuff (actually I’m considering using even less next time, that is, 1 drop for 10 g of snuff), but you might be willing to add up to 6-7 drops of eucalyptus e. o. into 5 grams of your mentholated snuff). Be careful, better use less first, then add some more, if needed.

Countless blends of e. o. can be made, dissolving them in ethanol, just run a search “what does X essential oil blend well with” (where X is the oil of your interest).

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@volunge thanks for your reply, I shall have a play.

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The first comprehensive chemical characterization of South American nasal snuffs :


Comprehensive Chemical Characterization of Rape Tobacco Products: Nicotine, Un-ionized Nicotine, Tobacco-specific N’-Nitrosamines, Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons, and Flavor Constituents


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5704902/

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Interesting that Bernard uses calcium hydroxide (instead of sodium carbonate) in the snuffs containing molasses and tamarind extract. Would the soda react with those or interfere with the flavoring, one wonders?@Volunge any thoughts on this?

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@SammyD13, I would like to note that those snuffs/schmalzlers also contain some vinegar. Albeit the amount is small, it significantly adds to the flavour (at least in Aecht A which I tried). Not sure if (and/or how) molasses and tamarind extract would interfere with sodium and potassium carbonates, but every alkalizer has it’s own taste. You can feel the “taste” difference switching from snuffs containing potash to snuffs containing sodium carbonate or slaked lime (calcium hydroxide). Especially after prolonged usage of one particular kind. I first noticed it when switched from Molens (Holandse Bolongaro and Hermbstedt’s BKS - potash) to WoS (Dr. Rumney’s Brown, Irish No. 22 and SPs - sodium carbonate, according to my nose) and then to J&H Wilson (Top Mill and SP No.1 - potash), was really perplexed by the difference. I assume F&T Old Paris contains potash, too (have a good pinch of Rumney’s Brown and then take some Old Paris, on a clean palate each). For slaked lime taste, some Bernards, sure, but it’s well hidden there beneath other ingredients; Cheeta, Super Chetak and White Horse come into my mind first, when I think of slaked lime. Gekachelter Virginie contains sodium carb. For snuffs containing ammonium carbonate, it’s the main alkalizer in U.S. Smokeless scotches (along with smaller amount of sodium carbonate).

Slaked lime is stronger base than sodium and potassium carbonate. Having no data about total and free-based nicotine content, I can only speculate that slaked lime containing Bernard products have more free-based (biovailable) nicotine, i. e. are on the stronger side nic delivery-wise. Due to its low solubility, slaked lime might also act as a binder/texture agent to some extent there (just a guess). But most probably the main function of this alkalizer in these molasses-containing sweet snuffs/schmalzlers is a preservative one (at least historically, when effective stuff like ethylparaben was unknown).

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If anyone has the Spreadsheet or the link to the spreadsheet with the ingredients that @SunnyDay had posted, please post it again here! It was a very useful document.
It seems that some of the previews posted links dont work after the forum changed (upgraded).

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