cutting down on snuff

Nightcap, I take between 5 and 10 pinches per hour without any ill effects. I also drink to much coffee which does have a negative effect on me and I’m trying to cut down. I suffer from HBP and have 5 stents in my chest and one in my leg and I’m almost 65 years old. On the 17th of February I was tested for THREE HOURS as a check-up and everything was PERFECT. So, don’t worry, be happy!! I wish you luck with your medical but try to calm down and not worry, otherwise the results might be bad. I agree with other posters that stess might be your biggest problem. One’s body can play up in strange ways. In the meantime, DO NOT cut back on your snuffing 'cause doing so will make you feel WORSE. You are in my thoughts. Regards from South Africa Pieter

Hmm you do not mention palpitations, rather chest pains, and no mention of panic attacks, Nightcap, so I’m not so sure it is an anxiety disorder (which I used to get too, had to go through that ECG procedure as midnight moses described; I thought I had heart disease or something lol!, turns out to be anxiety…). Anyway, as others have suggested, I think stress could very well be the problem…It seems to manifest in many diverse ways, depending on the person. Like you say stimulants probably exacerbate the condition, and the combination of caffeine and nicotine (remember nicotine levels are much higher in snuff than cigarettes) is fairly potent on the blood vessels (causing vasoconstriction and temporary high blood pressure). So a cut back is probably in order. I’d say diet plays a huge role in such matters too (low salt, low saturated fats, bla bla). I would like to just put on record though that the time I started drinking coffee and tea in large quantities (~age 19) coincided with the end of my palpitations ended (as well as migraines!). So i’m a big believer in caffeine being a salubrious alkaloid… but probably not when suffering from, or prone to, stress (same with nicotine). :slight_smile:

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Since starting snus and snuff, and quitting cigs my BP has actually went down. I am drinking less coffee, but I am surely getting more nicotine. I chain snus, and still use 2-6 pinches of snuff an hour, (small pinches compared to some of you hardcore guys). Point being, I would also advise looking at causes other than snuff/nicotine.

I have heard of people thinking they are having a heart attack, and going to the hospital, having chest pains, ect, and it’s related to indigestion/gas, maybe there is an actual term for this, I don’t recall. While I don’t want to discount anything, as I am only a non-trained theorist, but the amount of snuff taken does seem very light. I am no way a big time snuffer, and I do more than that, and I have had hbp since before I started snuff, not too long ago. I have noticed a more stimulated feeling, and in my chest, and that may be nictoine, as it is a stimulant. Though it seems to have lessened, as I guess my body is getting used to it, as I am pretty new. But I have noticed different body effects from different methods of nicotine usage. I feel a good kick with snuff. Snus made me feel ill. Ciggs sometimes are nice, but then sometimes they are ugh, why am I doing this. Bottom line, IMO, if one does have feelings they are really concerned about, see a doc. Docs arn’t perfect, and often I find them ignorant on many subjects, but if it’s something obvious, it may be noticed. And if one believes it may be from a certain thing, take a break from it, or lessen it’s usage, like do it so many times, at certain times. I know snus gave me heartburn and an upset stomach. The only “negative” I sometimes feel with snuff, is a sometimes stimulated feeling in my chest, that’s not all the time, and I guess it can be expected to some degree, but that’s mainly due to my uncontrolled diet, and condition created by, and I get it with coffee too. Just my rant, but don’t risk your life by ignoring something(even though I probably would) Tom

Would 3-8 pinches even equate to a cigarette? have you tried different brands to see if they all have the same effect? It just seems unlikely that an ex smoker would be affected by such a small amount of nicotine, but I hope it works itself out so that you don’t loose yet another pleasure.

GET A STRESS TEST! My symptoms were similar. My EKG’s were all normal. Doc suggested a stress test. It saved my life. I was immediately taken to the hospital. After the stents were put in, and the nurse wasn’t looking…A nice BIG pinch of Rooster laying right there in recovery! LOL!

Well guys, I’ve not gone to the doctor yet, but I’ve got down to 4 pinches a day and I do notice a difference. Perhaps for myself, I am sensitive to the means of nasal absorption of nicotine? Yes life is full of stress. But that IS life! My “unwind” is a glass(x3) of scotch and a pinch of what I’ve got going, plus what ever I’m listening to at the moment. I also find myself packing my Peterson Pipe with a VA/PER. That’s a good unwind. My father always taught me to " step back from the forest and see the tree". I’ve done my investigations, and made my conclusions, and there is a bit of a difference. Perhaps for myself, large amounts of nicotine doesn’t work? …i was never a heavy smoker. maybe 4 smokes a week. Anyways, What doing is making a difference, and i plan to continue. i’ve not quit snuff, just cut down.

GLAD YOU ARE BETTER, Nightcap!!!

Take care of yourself, and I Pray soon you are back to 100% health!!!

LORD BLESS!!!

What gave me a nic OD was snus. Ugh, I felt terrible, sweating, nausas, just terrible. Smokes, cigars, snuff, even a lip of W.E. Garrett didn’t give me any kind of feeling snus did, and I am glad. And I am glad, for I do like snuff, and an occasional smoke. Probably won’t try Garrett in the lip again though, yuch. Tom502

I knew a guy that liked that feeling that tom discribes. He’d bum snus and snuff off me and smoke. He was crazy so that might explain the liking it. Yeah a couple of times I’ve felt like that and it isn’t pleasant. Only happened once with snuff I said what happens if I snuff half this tin tonight (I was sixteen) it sucked also couldn’t sleep that night (though I tend towards insomnia alot.

TOBACCO is the only source of nicotine. For four centuries or more it has been used for chewing, snuffing, or smoking, but no population has given up one form of tobacco use without replacing it with another. The only time the British gave up smoking was in the 18th century, when they switched to snuffing for almost a hundred years. The common factor is nicotine. There is no tar or carbon monoxide without combustion. Nicotine is absorbed through the lungs in cigarette smoking, through the buccal mucosa in tobacco chewing, and through the nasal mucosa in snuffing. What about snuff? Would it be a satisfactory alternative for dependent cigarette smokers? Snuffing is simply a matter of inserting powdered tobacco into the nose, and thus has two major advantages. Firstly, there are no products of combustion such as tar, carbon monoxide, and oxides of nitrogen. Secondly, it cannot be inhaled into the lungs, which eliminates any risk of lung cancer, which kills almost 30,000 British smokers a year. Would snuff provide enough nicotine to satisfy the dependent cigarette smoker? The historical evidence suggests that it could. We are studying the absorption of nicotine by cigar smokers and snuff users. Preliminary findings presented here show that the absorption of nicotine from snuff is very rapid; snuff could be sufficiently satisfying for cigarette smokers to switch to snuffing relatively easily. METHODS We measured blood-nicotine and blood-carboxyhæmoglobin (COHb) in cigar smokers and in snuff users. RESULTS Even with this form of non-inhaled cigar smoking, nicotine absorption was initially very slow. By contrast the absorption from a single pinch of snuff was extremely rapid. DISCUSSION The rate of nicotine absorption from snuff is very rapid. The blood-nicotine level of over 40 ng/ml matches the peak levels found in heavy cigarette smokers. Although the snuff user does not get the puff-by-puff high nicotine boli obtained by inhaling cigarette smokers, it takes the cigarette smoker about 10 min to reach a peak nicotine level compared with 5 min or less for a snuff user. Snuff may well be a satisfactory and acceptable substitute for cigarette smoking. In addition to its capacity to deliver nicotine, snuff could provide many other components of the smoking habit, such as a variety of aromas, attractive packaging, and intricate sensorimotor rituals which add to the pleasure and social aspects of the habit. Furthermore, it is likely to be acceptable to all social classes, since its present limited use ranges from velvet-curtained lounges to the depths of coal mines. Switching from cigarettes to snuff could have enormous health benefits. Although some problems could arise from continued absorption of nicotine and local nasal irritation in heavy users, the absence of tar and gases such as carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, and many other toxic combustion products, would virtually eliminate smoking-related cancer, bronchitis, and possibly heart disease. Also, snuff does not contaminate the atmosphere for non-users.
Our findings suggest that a new age for snuff is a feasible alternative to cigarette smoking. Snuff could save more lives and avoid more ill-health than any other preventive measure likely to be available to developed nations well into the 21st century.

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Firstly there is radioactive lead and polonium in tobacco. and secondly I’ll bet your ass it gets in your lungs. But yes don’t smoke, snuff Toque! The more you snuff, the less you smoke. Smoking is much worse than snuffing by far for all the reasons mentioned above. But don’t expect to live for more than ten thousand years, or one hundred without any wear and tear for that matter.

In my case caffeine contributes much more to high BP problems than nicotine. I’ve wondered why it was always much higher at the doctors office than it was the evening before when I checked it at home. I finally put 2&2 together and realized that after drinking a few cups of coffee at home,I would go straight to the doctors usually drinking a cup on the way. I monitored it at home over the next couple days and after my morning coffee and snus (this before I found snuff) it would be in the pre-hypertension stage (140+ over 90+) and slowly return to normal within 2-3 hrs. I quit drinking coffee and the BP problems went away. It actually drops a little when I use snus,but rises a little when I snuff,maybe because of the rapid absorption rate. I don’t worry about that because my normal BP is on the low side. I loved coffee and went through a few days of nasty headaches after quitting but I was happy it wasn’t my snus and snuff causing it.

Tobacco is not the only source of nicotine. Nicotine is a toxin used by plants of the Solenaceae family (which includes tobacco, tomato and pepper plants) as a self defence mechanism. Tribes in Peru smoke dried wild tomato leaves for their nicotine. Don’t try it at home though, the flavour is repulsive apparently.

Sandy, wonder what snuff made from dried tomato leafs will be like?

I’ll take mine in spaghetti sauce, thank you!

Well, I’ve got some tomato plants growing in the house and they smell horrendous (not unlike cat urine) so I can’t imagine them making for good snuffing.

Eggplant has the highest concentration of nicotine after tobacco. However, its a tiny amount.

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I’ll take mine baked, in spaghetti sauce…

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Nicotiana Glauca has anabasine but not nicotine.

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