Friendly Survey. Is Snuff Harmless?

Thanks everyone for taking the time to answer.

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@Roderick. Who told you that? Your wife? Isn’t she a cancer researcher?

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@roderick what if we snuff the chicken as well?

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I saw coffee mentioned here, and in other posts. Im a heavy caffeine user as well, mostly tea and coffee Id say, though I do drink energy drinks on occasion, which is a whole other topic of health. I was just curious however, why do we find coffee on the same level of harm as tobacco? Not isolated nicotine mind you, but tobacco. And I mean that to indicate NRT, not vaping. But even still, I dont know that Id classify even nic gum to be as safe as coffee. Ive heard the argument made, plenty of times. But when I hear it, and evaluate it for myself from my own experience, all I can think is ‘Yea, my tolerance to both of those is about the same, feels about the same taking them.’ But theres no science whatsoever to that thinking. And in this age of new nicotine addicts trying to convince everyone of their new habit, this is the type of unfounded reasoning that I personally believe dominates most peoples thoughts. An addiction driving reasoning, and then invoking individualism to prove one’s point. ‘Look man, Ive got a flower of life tattoo, so this is completely safe, its from the earth’ But maybe im wrong

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@KortKant why not? My own assumption is the opposite of yours (coffee more harmful than nic gum). But I’m certainly not read up on the topic

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For me caffeine has more significant withdrawals than tobacco. Everyone is different, and anyone who considers the matter of addiction to be cut and dry or well understood is fooling themselves. Alcohol is an excellent parallel. It can be extremely addictive, and for many people it is. Others can pick it up and put it down. To speak as if one understands someone else’s contrary idiosyncratic experience with a substance rubs me the wrong way. My anxiety got worse over the winter so I stopped alcohol, caffeine and tobacco. I sleep in a room that houses 50 pounds of tobacco, 10 of snuff, and a few hundred stogies. I wish I felt better and could partake like I used to on occasion but it just doesn’t appeal to me. Stopping caffeine yielded a headache for three days. Nothing else really happened except less exacerbation of anxiety since I wasn’t chronically raising adrenaline and cortisol. We need to get real about how individual, circumstantial, epigenetic, and environmentally influenced a person’s relationship with substances can be, and not project our own experiences on others. I would never decree tobacco non addictive based solely on my experience. But it’s almost humorous to be oft labeled an addict in denial giving my experiences. And likewise, people around us consume addictive substances all the time with various outcomes. Like alcohol. It’s a wild world out there.

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I think, personally, that vaping is dangerous. Not inherently perhaps, but due to uncertainty. I get my snuff from McChrysyals, one of the original companies. If I put that in my nose, even if I have personal concerns that it may be unsafe because its tobacco, I understand that its at least a known and quality controlled formula. A formula the effects of which have been well documented. This is even the case for cigarettes. This is not the case for vaping. No one knows yet what is going to become problematic about vaping. Something has been a problem however. That much is clear

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because coffee is generally considered safe unless someone either over does it (which that the jury is still out on, basically lots of contradictory data that supports both sides) or is hypersensitive to some aspect of it. You know not a particularly serious concern after all is said and done.

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My thinking is that the human nose is pretty good at letting air in, but keeping (and getting) impurities out. That is one of its main functions. We all know that tobacco is not harmless (what is?!) But setting fire to it and inhaling it seems particularly risky. I gave up snuff for a couple of years recently, due to frustration over a completely blocked nose; I took up vaping as my source of nicotine. But then I started coughing every time I vaped, so recently returned to snuff. I now realise that to avoid a blocked nose, I need to stay WELL hydrated … giving my nose what it needs to function properly. So … happy days again!!!

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also found being more gentle and slow about nose blowing also helps.

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@bob Yes indeed.

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@volunge I’m curious to know more about the connection between nasal snuff and dental health. Can you say more?

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@thats_the_snuff, well, my point is simple - upper deck is relatively close to the sinuses. While the distance varies from person to person, some have a sinus floor very close to their tooth roots.

Please take my worries with a grain of salt, buddy. I’m having a number of issues with my teeth, which all started in my childhood/early teen years, well before I got into tobacco. A classic case of dental fear and anxiety here.

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When I enjoy quite a bit of snuff I can feel my heart beat in my front teeth, such as right now

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@volunge I feel you… That’s why I asked :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Have always found dental issues difficult to deal with, although recently after having found a great dentist, I’m comforted.

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Nothing is harmless. Something’s gotta kill you someday, and I honestly doubt that snuff will be what does me in. As far as tobacco goes, I believe snuff is less harmful than many other methods of consumption. In fact, I believe that non-combusted tobacco- smokeless- is much less dangerous than the public opinion seems to think. Is it harmless? No. It would be foolish to suggest otherwise. But it’s a hell of a lot less harmful than cigarettes.

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@thatotherguy thanks! Agreed.

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I think snuff is relatively safe not only in comparison to dip/smoke/vape but also in comparison to a bunch of other things we come in contact with everyday. 
 Having a unhealthy diet is more dangerous than having a snuff habit in my opinion. 

 Drinking alcohol or sitting around a campfire probably causes more harm than snuff. 

Im not really worried about either of those (except unhealthy diet) so im not really worried about snuff either.

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@mycelium thanks! All good points.

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I would not really say harmless… but there is much worse out there.

Honestly, I